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Old 03-11-2012, 08:15
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Was expecting photos took on the 5 would display full screen now the screen is larger,what am I doing wrong?
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Old 03-11-2012, 21:56
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The Camera aspect ration is the same, 4:3 So no filling the screen with a full sized image.
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Old 03-11-2012, 21:58
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The Camera aspect ration is the same, 4:3 So no filling the screen with a full sized image.
Do you mean you cant take wide screen photos?
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Old 03-11-2012, 22:12
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Wide screen?

You can take panoramic images.. it's in options whilst the camera app is open.
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Old 03-11-2012, 22:14
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Wide screen?

You can take panoramic images.. it's in options whilst the camera app is open.
Surely wide screen is different from panoramic ...... even in the apple world
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Old 03-11-2012, 22:19
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Widescreen = 16:9 ratio, nothing to do with panorama

Xperia T takes widescreen at 10mb and 4:3 at 13mb
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Old 03-11-2012, 22:23
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Widescreen = 16:9 ratio, nothing to do with panorama

Xperia T takes widescreen at 10mb and 4:3 at 13mb
Exactly !

So the iPhone 5 has black bars when showing photos taken .... on the iPhone 5 ?????
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Old 03-11-2012, 23:45
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So the iphone5 has a 16:9 screen but only takes a 4:3 photo?
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Old 03-11-2012, 23:59
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The full sensor resolution is used for photos. The inbuilt photo editing options allow for cropping, with easy controls for cropping to common frame sizes, including 16:9.

If you take a still while shooting video it will capture the 16:9 frame currently being recorded.
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Old 04-11-2012, 00:05
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Widescreen = 16:9 ratio, nothing to do with panorama

Xperia T takes widescreen at 10mb and 4:3 at 13mb
They're really that large, and still don't really give great results? The 38/34 mp images from the 808 are typically in the 8-10mb range.
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Old 04-11-2012, 00:06
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Sooo The Xperia is just cropping the image. Which you could do yourself anyways. Still image sensors are rarely in 16:9 crop..

Also the iPhone 3, 4 & 4S were 3:2 screen ratio but the camera was always 4:3..

The IPhone 5 like say the Galaxy S3 has an 8 MP sensor which outputs 3264x2448 pixels, anything else would just be a crop.

The edit feature allows you to constrain (crop) the image to 16:9 if you wish as well as other sizes.
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Old 04-11-2012, 00:10
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They're really that large, and still don't really give great results? The 38/34 mp images from the 808 are typically in the 8-10mb range.
I think he means megapixels, as the Xperia T has a 13mp sensor.
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Old 04-11-2012, 00:17
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Yup sorry I meant megapixels
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:51
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16:9 is hardly standard aspect ratio for photography. I realise some cameras have an option for 16:9 now, but 4:3 or even 3:2 is more standard.

You could argue that, with photos being printed less and less, and instead viewed on widescreen monitors and TVs, that 16:9 is better. But look at full frame DSLRs. They don't use widescreen aspect ratios as standard.

Just because a device has a 16:9 (ish) screen doesn't mean that the camera should operate at that aspect ratio. That depends on the lens and image sensor. Granted, an option would be nice, but as others have said, the 16:9 mode on the Experia T is simply cropping the image.

This isn't a failing of the iPhone 5. It's an existing difference between device screen sizes and photography standards.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:40
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Its a daft omission to be honest. My 3 year old digital cameras takes wide screen pics as did by s2 and my s3 does. Its great for viewing pics on my telly.

I thought the 5 added camera features that have been missing for years...
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:45
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Its a daft omission to be honest. My 3 year old digital cameras takes wide screen pics as did by s2 and my s3 does. Its great for viewing pics on my telly.

I thought the 5 added camera features that have been missing for years...
In their defence, the standard camera app on iOS isn't that good, and with 95% of cameras they tend to just crop rather than produce genuine 16:9 images. So I can see why they maybe didn't offer it .... "theres an app for that"
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:52
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it's funny this 'it's only cropping, you can do that in the editor' argument - you can do that on all phones, obviously.

but what you can't do is imagine exactly where the 16:9 boundaries will be when taking a 4:3 image. so most phones allow you the 'option' of doing it whilst your taking the picture. you don't have to. it's a choice. look forward to seeing in iOS7 and being told how amazing it is.

and not all phones just crop. the sensor is essentially round, so if you move to 16:9 you can increase the horizontal resolution. as shown in this diagram. http://nigelcoldwell.co.uk/test/169v43.png
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:17
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16:9 is hardly standard aspect ratio for photography. I realise some cameras have an option for 16:9 now, but 4:3 or even 3:2 is more standard.

You could argue that, with photos being printed less and less, and instead viewed on widescreen monitors and TVs, that 16:9 is better. But look at full frame DSLRs. They don't use widescreen aspect ratios as standard.

Just because a device has a 16:9 (ish) screen doesn't mean that the camera should operate at that aspect ratio. That depends on the lens and image sensor. Granted, an option would be nice, but as others have said, the 16:9 mode on the Experia T is simply cropping the image.

This isn't a failing of the iPhone 5. It's an existing difference between device screen sizes and photography standards.
I thought 16:9 was pretty much the standard for 'digital photography" these days to be honest...
Mostly driven by the fact that most digital pics are viewed on TVs or monitors ...... most of which are 16:9.

I'm just very surprised that you would take a photo on a modern phone and then see black bars either side.

I guess this is mostly to do with the fact apple are still clinging to 4:3 on their tablets. Either that or they were too cheap to change it
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:32
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Its a daft omission to be honest. My 3 year old digital cameras takes wide screen pics as did by s2 and my s3 does. Its great for viewing pics on my telly.

I thought the 5 added camera features that have been missing for years...
This isn't an omission of the iPhone 5. It's an existing difference between device screen sizes and photography standards.

If phones are showing you a 16:9 images, its not showing you the whole image, its cropping them to fit on your screen.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:35
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This isn't an omission of the iPhone 5. It's an existing difference between device screen sizes and photography standards.

If phones are showing you a 16:9 images, its not showing you the whole image, its cropping them to fit on your screen.
that makes no sense. if you take a 16:9 image and it displays a 16:9 image where's the crop?
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:39
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and not all phones just crop. the sensor is essentially round, so if you move to 16:9 you can increase the horizontal resolution. as shown in this diagram. http://nigelcoldwell.co.uk/test/169v43.png
What cameras use 'essentially round' sensors? The one in the iPhone 5 (and all previous iPhones) is a 4:3 sensor.

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot....5-cameras.html
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:50
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This isn't an omission of the iPhone 5. It's an existing difference between device screen sizes and photography standards.

If phones are showing you a 16:9 images, its not showing you the whole image, its cropping them to fit on your screen.
Nokias 808 and the upcoming 920 don't crop; they use what is (apparently) a round sensor with the 4:3 or 16:9 taken from the relevant portion of the sensor.

There are a few dedicated cameras doing the same thing.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:56
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What cameras use 'essentially round' sensors? The one in the iPhone 5 (and all previous iPhones) is a 4:3 sensor.

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot....5-cameras.html
that's because the sensor is cropped the optics are round. the image is round. you could draw a circle around that sensor and see where the image would be projected. and how if you took a 16:9 image it could have higher horizontal resolution. it will just take apple a while to catch up and 16:9 to permeate through.

see this http://nigelcoldwell.co.uk/test/169v432.jpg

it's typical apple really. 4:3 will be the absolute perfect image format until they change it to something else.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:58
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Nokias 808 and the upcoming 920 don't crop; they use what is (apparently) a round sensor with the 4:3 or 16:9 taken from the relevant portion of the sensor.

There are a few dedicated cameras doing the same thing.
It's not a round sensor though. In the case of the 808 it's a 7728x5368 rectangle.

The full height is used for 4:3 images, and the full width is used for 16:9 images meaning it does indeed give a genuinely wider 16:9 shot.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:05
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that's because the sensor is cropped the optics are round. the image is round. you could draw a circle around that sensor and see where the image would be projected. and how if you took a 16:9 image it could have higher horizontal resolution. it will just take apple a while to catch up and 16:9 to permeate through.

see this http://nigelcoldwell.co.uk/test/169v432.jpg

it's typical apple really. 4:3 will be the absolute perfect image format until they change it to something else.
You've just proved my point with that actually. The edges of the 16:9 rectangle you've superimposed are not actually on the sensor. You couldn't get a wider shot without making the sensor bigger.
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