why do the judges hardly ever encourage Nikky

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primer

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“News for you I have been trained etc etc etc ad nauseam”

jeez. not another one. get to the back of a very long queue. its a bit of an overfilled demographic around here. you need a USP to lift your expertise above the mundanity of all the rest of the experts. can you bark like a seal? that would do it, i think.

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Are. You. Serious. ???”

Pray tell

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by gritty:
“Happy to trade ballroom/latin experience - I didn't think it was a good technically; and that is important (as I'm sure you'll agree, even if we disagree as to whether this dance was technically ok).

He was hit-and-miss with the lines (but some of them were lovely) so I think he deserved more than Craig's 4. He also captured the "SCD" Rumba emotion and deserved his '7s' and would have loved him to have got '7s' across-the board - which would have taken him up to 5th (above Lisa; which I think would have been fair).”

A well balanced approach to your critique!!!!! Thanks

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Where has she ever claimed to be a God? Hugely overmarked, but HARDLY her fault.”

Its the others that are marking and boosting her out of all prportion that leads me to the olympic god theory

SCD-Observer

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“It is not bullshit!!!! a rhumba should frame the lady and the man should not do excessive over the top hip action the man should dance strongly by placing his feet firmly into the floor and thus by doing so create a natural hip movement ..... not a forced action which is why so few novice celebrites get this mainly strictly promoted myth.... watch the professionals on the show you dont notice the hip movements because it takes years of practice to to make them part of the routine Arlene was the one (not ballroom trained either) who kept going on and on about it”

Male pros doing rumba certainly have hip movements. They were subtle, not OTT at all. Even complete novices could see that that hip movements are a must in a rumba. You don't need excessive hip movements as if trying to shake off your poo, just SOME semblence of hip rotation.

Nicky, bless him, had NONE.

Even Mark Ramprakash, who did a disaster rumba in series 4, was miles better than Nicky in his attempt at this dance.

SCD-Observer

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“Pray tell”

I think I really need to pray...

Alli-F

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“Its the others that are marking and boosting her out of all prportion that leads me to the olympic god theory”

Again hardly her fault.

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Why? ”

The pro has to take the blame....... just like Olla with Sid he was capable of so much more than that very poorly constructed cha cha last week However ultimate blame has in my opinion to be with the shows producers who compromise the pro dancers,by not allowing them total freedom in their training and routines (unless I am mistaken)

kassieq

03-11-2012

Nicky is not a natural dancer there is no flow to his movements no matter what he is dancing, he does it all by numbers which is why his dancing has that disconnected look to it. Where to start with his posture, his chin juts forward shortening his neck, which makes his whole posture collapse.

He doesn't seem to enjoy his dancing, it's a mistake made by a lot of beginners that want to 'learn to dance', they get all caught up in doing it right and forget that dancing should be primarily about the enjoyment of moving your body to the music, trying to feel the music and using the rhythms and flow to carry you along, without that you will never dance well.

Tangerine_82

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“News for you I have been trained to dance since I was 8yrs of age and have been in the british finals ....... in the context of an entertainment show and not a true dance competition it was brilliant compared to nearly every other rhomba attempted throughout the whole inception of strictly with one or two exceptions ........... please try not to insult your superiors (in ballroom dance terms)!!!!!!”

Even if I believed you (and got over your horrendously rude post) I would still think you're not seeing things clearly. The little he was given to do wasn't very good and I'm afraid that's just the way I (and many others) see it.

Oh and I've been dancing since childhood too. Should we arrange to meet and have a dance-off? Winner gets your homemade Know-It-All crown?

Alli-F

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“The pro has to take the blame....... just like Olla with Sid he was capable of so much more than that very poorly constructed cha cha last week However ultimate blame has in my opinion to be with the shows producers who compromise the pro dancers,by not allowing them total freedom in their training and routines (unless I am mistaken)”

But you said he was brilliant so surely there is no blame to take.

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“He can boogie maybe (evidenced from the intro-VT when they first met on the show), but he has a lot of things need correcting, such as posture for ballroom and hip action for latin dances.

And those are only the basics.

Next he needs to sort out his heels and toes (i.e. footwork) for ballroom and lost that inhibition for his latin.

And there are more, but I shall stop here.”

just like louis Victoria Denise Danni and Lisa but they get encouraged hence my original thread !

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Karen has a tendency to talk with her ovaries just as much as I do. ”

She was World Champion and probably needed her ovaries with her at the tme dont under -estimate her knowledge and skill though .......

ilovesooty

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by primer:
“jeez. not another one. get to the back of a very long queue. its a bit of an overfilled demographic around here. you need a USP to lift your expertise above the mundanity of all the rest of the experts. can you bark like a seal? that would do it, i think.”

Alli-F

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“just like louis Victoria Denise Danni and Lisa but they get encouraged hence my original thread !”

I think you may be seeing what you want to see. Louis took,a,bit of a pasting this week, Lisa and Denise last week. All took it with good grace.

teeswolf

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Male pros doing rumba certainly have hip movements. They were subtle, not OTT at all. Even complete novices could see that that hip movements are a must in a rumba. You don't need excessive hip movements as if trying to shake off your poo, just SOME semblence of hip rotation.

Nicky, bless him, had NONE.

Even Mark Ramprakash, who did a disaster rumba in series 4, was miles better than Nicky in his attempt at this dance.”

So even the best male celeb in SCD history struggled with rumba.

As I said good job Karen & Nicky.

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“We shall see if Karen Hardy will be this effusive this coming Tuesday. ”

If they allow her you mean surely!

Mrs F

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by kassieq:
“Nicky is not a natural dancer there is no flow to his movements no matter what he is dancing, he does it all by numbers which is why his dancing has that disconnected look to it. Where to start with his posture, his chin juts forward shortening his neck, which makes his whole posture collapse.

He doesn't seem to enjoy his dancing, it's a mistake made by a lot of beginners that want to 'learn to dance', they get all caught up in doing it right and forget that dancing should be primarily about the enjoyment of moving your body to the music, trying to feel the music and using the rhythms and flow to carry you along, without that you will never dance well.”

kassie, I keep wondering what Nicky has to do to correct his posture. For me, it's his head and neck position primarily, but he also seems to hunch his shoulders.

I think on dwts this week, a judge said something like unless you can put emotion into your dancing it's just movement, so true I thought

Alli-F

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by isledance:
“She was World Champion and probably needed her ovaries with her at the tme dont under -estimate her knowledge and skill though .......”

Doesn't mean her opinion is any more valid than anyone else's though. Just like Arlene, she likes the fit young blokes.

isledance

03-11-2012

youre entitled to your opinion!!!! Grow up!

Alli-F

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Mrs F:
“kassie, I keep wondering what Nicky has to do to correct his posture. For me, it's his head and neck position primarily, but he also seems to hunch his shoulders.

I think on dwts this week, a judge said something like unless you can put emotion into your dancing it's just movement, so true I thought”

He said something on ITT about having a goalie posture where you round your shoulders, jut your head forward and bounce on the balls of your feet with your knees bent and he did start like that but slowly his shoulders are getting back.

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“Even if I believed you (and got over your horrendously rude post) I would still think you're not seeing things clearly. The little he was given to do wasn't very good and I'm afraid that's just the way I (and many others) see it.

Oh and I've been dancing since childhood too. Should we arrange to meet and have a dance-off? Winner gets your homemade Know-It-All crown? ”

I have never been one for hiding my light under a bushell ! Pardon my passion !!!

teeswolf

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Mrs F:
“agreed

I usually agree with you teeswolf *waves*”

Waves back. I thought it was a decent effort. I think Karen & Nicky should be pleased.

isledance

03-11-2012

Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“But you said he was brilliant so surely there is no blame to take. ”

Maybe I concede the term was too strong!

cwickham

03-11-2012

I thought Nicky's rumba was absolutely dire and Craig was (as usual) the only one to give fair criticism and marks. I sincerely hope the Westlife fans don't keep him in at the expense of anyone else, but sadly I can see them continuing to vote him in even though he is never going to be good enough to win.

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