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Old 04-11-2012, 10:12
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..do you think the popularity of the 'Silver Surfer' (elderly and old aged people) to get to use computers which is still on the rise in this country will suffer now there is a new OS ? After getting used to little crosses and lines at the top right of the screen and clicking on this and double clicking on that....
Will they accustom themselves to the new Windows 'Charms' and everything else that goes with the Win8 os ?
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:21
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It may even be easier for some. I've known several silver surfers get on really well with tablets too (and I don't mean for rheumatism!)
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:30
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these changes are generally harder for people to deal with that have a higher skill set. not lower.

and i think they will love the new interface. a big button that says internet on it. seems obvious really.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:31
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It may even be easier for some. I've known several silver surfers get on really well with tablets too (and I don't mean for rheumatism!)
..yes but probably using Apple or Android os...very similar to Windows...

I think the new Win8 is going to be a bit confusing for some of the elderly to get a totally new way of operating after getting to know the present way...

Don't forget that for many of them the learning curve is more difficult because of their age..
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:51
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I agree with flaggy, in the same way that silver surfers type are getting on with iOS, they can get on with Windows RT and Windows 8 by staying in the colourful and friendly Metro-land where they can poke large buttons with the fingers and not control a mouse for precise movements.

Advid, you seem determined to push for the alternative answer of it will be hard for them. The one area that may be hard is if they are told it is windows and to try and think of the "old" windows way of doing things. If they ignore that and approach Windows 8 with a fresh mind, it should be very friendly for them, they don't need to worry so much about security, junk software, anti-virus etc. They can download all the apps from a single place etc. Basically pretty much all the plus points of using an iPad over a full-blown PC apply here now with the added benefit that the metro design language is in some ways even friendlier for them than the more dense UI design of iOS.
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Old 04-11-2012, 15:34
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I agree with flaggy, in the same way that silver surfers type are getting on with iOS, they can get on with Windows RT and Windows 8 by staying in the colourful and friendly Metro-land where they can poke large buttons with the fingers and not control a mouse for precise movements.

Advid, you seem determined to push for the alternative answer of it will be hard for them. The one area that may be hard is if they are told it is windows and to try and think of the "old" windows way of doing things. If they ignore that and approach Windows 8 with a fresh mind, it should be very friendly for them, they don't need to worry so much about security, junk software, anti-virus etc. They can download all the apps from a single place etc. Basically pretty much all the plus points of using an iPad over a full-blown PC apply here now with the added benefit that the metro design language is in some ways even friendlier for them than the more dense UI design of iOS.

If they wanted an ipad they could buy an ipad. W 8 is designed for people who have smart phones and who want something familiar and don't want to do much more than play the simplest games, tell their mates on twitter what they are having for tea, or surf to one or two sites daily. Many people who have had computers for 15 years will be used to doing much more. .Its notable that it can be made to work like W7, but only by undoing the changes, and adding more steps to get where you could get in one on W 7. Its also designed to force people to buy new software and to drive more people to MS software or MS approved software- as it won't work with other people's or older versions. It creates market for MS and makes life difficult for competitors As more and more stops working on earlier operating systems as W 8 spreads, and people realise that it only really works witha touchscreen, it will also increase computer sales and MS profits beyond the people who habitually buy the latest gadget.

W8 and IE10 are also part of the progression where surfing is made more and more difficult and more and more people go to fewer favoured sites - so that advertising returns are maximised. it follows google in that regard. Thats there with with popular sites identified, apps suppled for selected sites, search engines selecting what pays, the number of useable favourites restricted in usable number, and it being made more and more difficult to download material so people have to revisit it and its accompanying adverts on the net.Its obvious where current rends end - the apps become more expensive, paywalls pop up everywhere, there's more and more adverts clogging sites, and more and more data is stored about more and more people in central data banks.
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Old 04-11-2012, 21:50
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If they wanted an ipad they could buy an ipad. W 8 is designed for people who have smart phones and who want something familiar and don't want to do much more than play the simplest games, tell their mates on twitter what they are having for tea, or surf to one or two sites daily. Many people who have had computers for 15 years will be used to doing much more. .Its notable that it can be made to work like W7, but only by undoing the changes, and adding more steps to get where you could get in one on W 7. Its also designed to force people to buy new software and to drive more people to MS software or MS approved software- as it won't work with other people's or older versions. It creates market for MS and makes life difficult for competitors As more and more stops working on earlier operating systems as W 8 spreads, and people realise that it only really works witha touchscreen, it will also increase computer sales and MS profits beyond the people who habitually buy the latest gadget.

W8 and IE10 are also part of the progression where surfing is made more and more difficult and more and more people go to fewer favoured sites - so that advertising returns are maximised. it follows google in that regard. Thats there with with popular sites identified, apps suppled for selected sites, search engines selecting what pays, the number of useable favourites restricted in usable number, and it being made more and more difficult to download material so people have to revisit it and its accompanying adverts on the net.Its obvious where current rends end - the apps become more expensive, paywalls pop up everywhere, there's more and more adverts clogging sites, and more and more data is stored about more and more people in central data banks.
So that's what windows 8 is designed for is it. Where did you get those pearls from?
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:31
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i'm 58 and I've been using the release preview since it came out.. I've just downloaded windows 8 pro even though you are supposed to re-install windows 7.. i read a comment on the Microsoft website from a guy aged 70 in the same position as me.. he went for it and it worked for him.. i downloaded the install manager first to see if there would be any problems and because it didn't say i had any.. i ordered a download.. it did take awhile and i had my fingers crossed.. but it was worth it.. it is much better than the release preview.. I could not wait to use you tube and it is fantastic.. the gui is beautiful, rich colours, hd, buffer free great sound.. although it is a laptop i use, i have connected a wireless mouse because windows 8 works better with it..
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:50
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So that's what windows 8 is designed for is it. Where did you get those pearls from?
Um. while i think that Windows 8 is designed so that Microsoft can get more money from people buying apps and using their cloud services, I don't agree with everything thenetworkbabe typed.

At the moment people have got the choice of using the desktop or the metro, but I still think that Ms should have put a boot to desktop option and also a start menu option. I am glad that third parties are giving people that option.

But i do agree that it seems this is the way computing is going, sure you can produce that app to run on our platform as long as you put it into our store and we charge you for doing so.

Oh yes you can store your data in our cloud for free, until the time comes where we can make sure there is no way you can keep it at home and then we will charge.

the fun of computers have gone, it is now just another household gadget. No excitement anymore, I remember when I had my ZX81 all those years ago, my first computer and then upgrading to the spectrum, wow colour and sound and more memory, plus the rubber keyboard

Nothing changes now, you may just get a machine that is a little faster, but you do the same thing on them. i miss the good old days
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:01
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i'm 58 and I've been using the release preview since it came out.. I've just downloaded windows 8 pro even though you are supposed to re-install windows 7.. i read a comment on the Microsoft website from a guy aged 70 in the same position as me.. he went for it and it worked for him.. i downloaded the install manager first to see if there would be any problems and because it didn't say i had any.. i ordered a download.. it did take awhile and i had my fingers crossed.. but it was worth it.. it is much better than the release preview.. I could not wait to use you tube and it is fantastic.. the gui is beautiful, rich colours, hd, buffer free great sound.. although it is a laptop i use, i have connected a wireless mouse because windows 8 works better with it..
I am going out later to update a desktop to windows 8 for someone in their 60's, they got a all in one a couple of weeks ago and can get windows 8 for 14.

but he is getting confused about how to do download and install, so I will pop over to help. thankfully he have a decent broadband speed.

The all in one is not touch screen, As he said he can have a look at windows 8 and if don't like can go back to windows 7.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:14
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I never understand patronising posts that just lump everyone into the same category based on things like age....
People (of any age) who use a computer at present will have no trouble moving to another operating system and those who haven't used one yet will not notice and just take it in their stride.
I do voluntary work and received some emails last week from a 92 year old Dunkirk veteran, so I find it difficult to see any age barriers...
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:18
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I never understand patronising posts that just lump everyone into the same category based on things like age....
People (of any age) who use a computer at present will have no trouble moving to another operating system and those who haven't used one yet will not notice and just take it in their stride.
I do voluntary work and received some emails last week from a 92 year old Dunkirk veteran, so I find it difficult to see any age barriers...
i agree, the problem is a lot of the older people think it is a barrier.
A few years back when my mum was alive, my sister got my parents a mobile phone, it was a Motorola flip phone which a load of features. My parents said it was too complex and at their age they needed something simpler.

So where do you stand with that? A problem with mobile phones is that they display is tiny with tiny text and as you get older your eye site may not be as good as when you was younger. So that can sometimes be a problem.

I am pretty sure that given time my parents would have been able to use the phone, but don't forget as you get older your brain don't always function like it use to and it takes longer to learn things.

i know people in their 70's and 80's who uses computers, but most of them have been using them for years and yes they will get a bit confused with the new modern UI, but they will get used to it.

I am in my late 40's and it confused me sometimes
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:43
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I'm 58 and find the attitude of some members here absolutely appalling and condescending. Remember, many people in their 50's, 60's and 70's have been using PC's for three decades and managed quite easily to cope switching from DOS to Windows in all its versions so why the hell W8 should be any different is beyond my comprehension.

My London based cousin is 67 and upgraded to 8 as did my 64 year old brum based cousin. I've an aunty born in 1934 who will go to Windows 8 when she buys herself a touch screen notebook for xmas and she's looking forward to it (very bright lady, got her OU degree aged 71). I've neighbours in their 60's happily online, a sister in law who has regular skyp vid sessions with her son the New Zealand and many friends of my age who have no problems using computers and many of them happily troubleshoot when needed.

When I was nursing my girls would often bring a PC in for 'uncle neo' to sort out after their so called computer genius children managed to get them full of virus's or generally bugger them up.

Also remember that a lot of silver surfers have the spare income to be able to go and treat themselves to nice new toys a lot of you debt ridden youngsters can only dream about

As they say "60 is the new 40"
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:03
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I'm 58 and find the attitude of some members here absolutely appalling and condescending. Remember, many people in their 50's, 60's and 70's have been using PC's for three decades and managed quite easily to cope switching from DOS to Windows in all its versions so why the hell W8 should be any different is beyond my comprehension.

My London based cousin is 67 and upgraded to 8 as did my 64 year old brum based cousin. I've an aunty born in 1934 who will go to Windows 8 when she buys herself a touch screen notebook for xmas and she's looking forward to it (very bright lady, got her OU degree aged 71). I've neighbours in their 60's happily online, a sister in law who has regular skyp vid sessions with her son the New Zealand and many friends of my age who have no problems using computers and many of them happily troubleshoot when needed.

When I was nursing my girls would often bring a PC in for 'uncle neo' to sort out after their so called computer genius children managed to get them full of virus's or generally bugger them up.

Also remember that a lot of silver surfers have the spare income to be able to go and treat themselves to nice new toys a lot of you debt ridden youngsters can only dream about

As they say "60 is the new 40"
+1 Well said !!!!
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:24
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I never understand patronising posts that just lump everyone into the same category based on things like age....
People (of any age) who use a computer at present will have no trouble moving to another operating system and those who haven't used one yet will not notice and just take it in their stride.
I do voluntary work and received some emails last week from a 92 year old Dunkirk veteran, so I find it difficult to see any age barriers...
Agreed I'm in my 50's and have been buying and using new tech since my teens . I've been able to progress from reel to reel onto a walkman , cd player then ipod and various things in between . I got my first computer windows 95 at 35 and didn't know what ctrl alt delete was at the time. Windows 8 has been out for just over a week and I haven't had a stroke yet .
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:30
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I'm 58 and find the attitude of some members here absolutely appalling and condescending. Remember, many people in their 50's, 60's and 70's have been using PC's for three decades and managed quite easily to cope switching from DOS to Windows in all its versions so why the hell W8 should be any different is beyond my comprehension.

My London based cousin is 67 and upgraded to 8 as did my 64 year old brum based cousin. I've an aunty born in 1934 who will go to Windows 8 when she buys herself a touch screen notebook for xmas and she's looking forward to it (very bright lady, got her OU degree aged 71). I've neighbours in their 60's happily online, a sister in law who has regular skyp vid sessions with her son the New Zealand and many friends of my age who have no problems using computers and many of them happily troubleshoot when needed.

When I was nursing my girls would often bring a PC in for 'uncle neo' to sort out after their so called computer genius children managed to get them full of virus's or generally bugger them up.

Also remember that a lot of silver surfers have the spare income to be able to go and treat themselves to nice new toys a lot of you debt ridden youngsters can only dream about

As they say "60 is the new 40"
Good man
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:37
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I'm 58 and find the attitude of some members here absolutely appalling and condescending. Remember, many people in their 50's, 60's and 70's have been using PC's for three decades and managed quite easily to cope switching from DOS to Windows in all its versions so why the hell W8 should be any different is beyond my comprehension.

My London based cousin is 67 and upgraded to 8 as did my 64 year old brum based cousin. I've an aunty born in 1934 who will go to Windows 8 when she buys herself a touch screen notebook for xmas and she's looking forward to it (very bright lady, got her OU degree aged 71). I've neighbours in their 60's happily online, a sister in law who has regular skyp vid sessions with her son the New Zealand and many friends of my age who have no problems using computers and many of them happily troubleshoot when needed.

When I was nursing my girls would often bring a PC in for 'uncle neo' to sort out after their so called computer genius children managed to get them full of virus's or generally bugger them up.

Also remember that a lot of silver surfers have the spare income to be able to go and treat themselves to nice new toys a lot of you debt ridden youngsters can only dream about

As they say "60 is the new 40"
An excellent post and I am 10 years older than "neo_wales, I am still a photographer and have the latest camera`s, I have Win 8 on one of my four computers, money! yes, I looked after it and now I can spend as I like, on what I like. Well written neo.
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Old 05-11-2012, 17:19
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....don't forget tho' - all you 'clever' old guys on here bragging about how you can do this and do that and sort out even the most complex of kiddy mess-ups... The users on this forum are the people who DO make full use of their computers...

I set my old dad up with a computer about ten years ago - showed him all the great things that can be done to improve things and make life a bit easier by using a computer.... (shopping online / finding information ect ect.) I explained Windows (XP at the time) to him - all that stuff about opening/closing/copying/cutting/pasting et al...

Even today - all he really uses it for is to check his email (that's usually 99% rubbish) and he checks out his bank balance...
Occasionaly he might do a Google and look for something...
He has on a couple of occasions even typed up a letter !

He still hasn't got a clue about how to use Windows and if anything is not like it 'should be' on his opening screen (an icon out of place) he panics like there's no tomorrow and phones me...

He is not alone - there are many others who just don't understand technology but try to use it...

Showing him Win8 and all its dragging and sliding up and down in various top / side and bottom corners - A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME...

My old mother even gets confused switching the SKY box and the Telly on....

Just 'cause you can do it you guys' and it's so easy for you - don't think it's the same for everyone out there....it's not....
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Old 05-11-2012, 17:29
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I'm a silver surfer and I have been using computers since they were first invented in desktop form.

I can't even stand the look of Windows 8. I think i may well have to move to Linux permanently. With luck i may never then have to suffer Twitter or Facebook invitations for the rest of my life.
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Old 05-11-2012, 23:31
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....don't forget tho' - all you 'clever' old guys on here bragging about how you can do this and do that and sort out even the most complex of kiddy mess-ups... The users on this forum are the people who DO make full use of their computers...

I set my old dad up with a computer about ten years ago - showed him all the great things that can be done to improve things and make life a bit easier by using a computer.... (shopping online / finding information ect ect.) I explained Windows (XP at the time) to him - all that stuff about opening/closing/copying/cutting/pasting et al...

Even today - all he really uses it for is to check his email (that's usually 99% rubbish) and he checks out his bank balance...
Occasionaly he might do a Google and look for something...
He has on a couple of occasions even typed up a letter !

He still hasn't got a clue about how to use Windows and if anything is not like it 'should be' on his opening screen (an icon out of place) he panics like there's no tomorrow and phones me...

He is not alone - there are many others who just don't understand technology but try to use it...

Showing him Win8 and all its dragging and sliding up and down in various top / side and bottom corners - A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME...

My old mother even gets confused switching the SKY box and the Telly on....

Just 'cause you can do it you guys' and it's so easy for you - don't think it's the same for everyone out there....it's not....
I wasn't referring to myself but to others. Also, I wouldn't confuse someone who can't be @rsed with all the modern mumbo jumbo, with someone who can't master it.......
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Old 06-11-2012, 00:45
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..do you think the popularity of the 'Silver Surfer' (elderly and old aged people) to get to use computers which is still on the rise in this country will suffer now there is a new OS ? After getting used to little crosses and lines at the top right of the screen and clicking on this and double clicking on that....
Will they accustom themselves to the new Windows 'Charms' and everything else that goes with the Win8 os ?
As others have said, no, it won't be a problem.

If they don't like or can't get on with tiles, they will do what I and many others are doing - hopefully advised by their younger family members if they don't already know:

Download Classic Shell (or await SP1, in which MS are sure to introduce their own classic switchable interface IMO).

Or get a tablet, for which tiles are eminently suited (unlike desktops).

Problem solved.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:02
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I'm still using XP and I can't adjust to win7 it seems as if they just moved all the buttons around for the fun of it.

As for Win8 it looks like they based it on some sort of early learning toy.

Buttons are for pushing tiles are for walking on.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:09
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....don't forget tho' - all you 'clever' old guys on here bragging about how you can do this and do that and sort out even the most complex of kiddy mess-ups... The users on this forum are the people who DO make full use of their computers...

I set my old dad up with a computer about ten years ago - showed him all the great things that can be done to improve things and make life a bit easier by using a computer.... (shopping online / finding information ect ect.) I explained Windows (XP at the time) to him - all that stuff about opening/closing/copying/cutting/pasting et al...

Even today - all he really uses it for is to check his email (that's usually 99% rubbish) and he checks out his bank balance...
Occasionaly he might do a Google and look for something...
He has on a couple of occasions even typed up a letter !

He still hasn't got a clue about how to use Windows and if anything is not like it 'should be' on his opening screen (an icon out of place) he panics like there's no tomorrow and phones me...

He is not alone - there are many others who just don't understand technology but try to use it...

Showing him Win8 and all its dragging and sliding up and down in various top / side and bottom corners - A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME...

My old mother even gets confused switching the SKY box and the Telly on....

Just 'cause you can do it you guys' and it's so easy for you - don't think it's the same for everyone out there....it's not....
No its not, looking at some of the questions posed often by younger people lol

Advid, as you get older you'll hopefully come to realise when the hole you've dug yourself into is deep enough.

Have to dash, smoke me pipe, have some cocoa and hobble off to bed; I'm exhausted, it was 82f (thats about 28c for you youngsters) here today on Gran Canaria and at my age heat saps the energy from me, ain't retirement a bitch
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