I think that sometimes people forget the difference between attacking someone's opinion - which is fine..no problem - and on the other hand drifting into personal, comments. It probably is easier than trying to win a point by discussion but it's not really winning a point or convincing someone or making a good case for one's own opinion if it has descended into simplistic personal comments. It isn't then a discussion.
bashing contestants, dancers and presenters
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There is a difference between respectful criticism and being overpersonal. I regret resorting to it myself on here once or twice in response to others who do it all the time.
Originally Posted by milotic12:
“I'm not opposed to criticism for the dancing I object to when it gets personal. Victoria and Denise get a really rough deal on here and for what!?”
“I'm not opposed to criticism for the dancing I object to when it gets personal. Victoria and Denise get a really rough deal on here and for what!?”
precisely
If you allow yourself to be filmed in tears then you must expect it to be discussed because many people find it pathetic when about a dance!
And don't retort that she can't help herself (VP) because she should be able to by now. In public. That's what adults do - exercise self-discipline. OR expect to be ragged about it.
And don't retort that she can't help herself (VP) because she should be able to by now. In public. That's what adults do - exercise self-discipline. OR expect to be ragged about it.
It's like The Apprentice forum, people like to get to get together and have a good ol' moan about Karren brady's hair... Her shoes... Her weight... Her manner... Her demeanour... Her face. It's quite normal for a forum
Originally Posted by Elphiron:
“It's like The Apprentice forum, people like to get to get together and have a good ol' moan about Karren brady's hair... Her shoes... Her weight... Her manner... Her demeanour... Her face. It's quite normal for a forum”
“It's like The Apprentice forum, people like to get to get together and have a good ol' moan about Karren brady's hair... Her shoes... Her weight... Her manner... Her demeanour... Her face. It's quite normal for a forum”
Ah, that's okay then
I'd not seen such vitriol before about various people in the programme.
I'll go back to the Crystal Palace thread, or the Dr Who forum
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Ragged. Teased.”
“Ragged. Teased.”
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The Urban dictionary has a few other meanings but let's not go there.
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“If you allow yourself to be filmed in tears then you must expect it to be discussed because many people find it pathetic when about a dance!
And don't retort that she can't help herself (VP) because she should be able to by now. In public. That's what adults do - exercise self-discipline. OR expect to be ragged about it.”
“If you allow yourself to be filmed in tears then you must expect it to be discussed because many people find it pathetic when about a dance!
And don't retort that she can't help herself (VP) because she should be able to by now. In public. That's what adults do - exercise self-discipline. OR expect to be ragged about it.”
Does that self discpline include how judgement of others is expressed?
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“" Ragged " ? Is that another word for bullied ?”
“" Ragged " ? Is that another word for bullied ?”
Blinkin Hell!
PLEASE do not bring the bully/ing word into this discussion, it's so not necessary and totally not appropriate for the discussion we are having on this forum. I loathe bullying, but also hate the way the word is used as a whip against folk that don't share your opinion.
Originally Posted by milotic12:
“I'm not opposed to criticism for the dancing I object to when it gets personal. Victoria and Denise get a really rough deal on here and for what!?”
“I'm not opposed to criticism for the dancing I object to when it gets personal. Victoria and Denise get a really rough deal on here and for what!?”
I think you'll find that all the celebs come in for their fair share of criticism on here. This isn't an appreciation forum, therefore there are going to be negative opinions being expressed as well as positive ones.
Self-discipline obviously does not include (what does include mean in this context, wb?) how others express opinions.
It does have a bearing on how one conducts oneself in public when reacting to the expression of those opinions. For example: not breaking down at work when criticised. This is the position in which Victoria currently finds herself.
It does have a bearing on how one conducts oneself in public when reacting to the expression of those opinions. For example: not breaking down at work when criticised. This is the position in which Victoria currently finds herself.
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Self-discipline obviously does not include (what does include mean in this context, wb?) how others express opinions.
It does have a bearing on how one conducts oneself in public when reacting to the expression of those opinions. For example: not breaking down at work when criticised. This is the position in which Victoria currently finds herself.”
“Self-discipline obviously does not include (what does include mean in this context, wb?) how others express opinions.
It does have a bearing on how one conducts oneself in public when reacting to the expression of those opinions. For example: not breaking down at work when criticised. This is the position in which Victoria currently finds herself.”
maybe she doesnt see it as her place of work and thus is free to show emotion . I know once I am not steely determined and disciplined in work to keep from crying I can cry at the drop of a hat .
Its not like she is an ICU nurse when on SCD .Cut her some slack and give her a break .All she did was shed a tear in frustration at herself ./ So what ?
So it makes for uncomfortable viewing. It isn't polite to your partner. He is trying hard too. Now he feels he has to be more sensitive, more delicate, more alert to your tender sensibilities.
Not a workplace? They're paid enough! She wanted to be on it. Then give us some entertainment. That's the job spec! Saturday evening light entertainment. Not Victoria's personal therapy.
Not a workplace? They're paid enough! She wanted to be on it. Then give us some entertainment. That's the job spec! Saturday evening light entertainment. Not Victoria's personal therapy.
The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?”
“The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?”
Love this post!
Like Victoria would care what I think.
Yes, Doghouse, I agree. Besides, you have to have a devil's advocate if you're to find the truth!
Yes, Doghouse, I agree. Besides, you have to have a devil's advocate if you're to find the truth!
I do not get this thread at all and all the melodramatic words.
For 'bashing' read criticising
For 'venom' read discussion
This is, after all, a forum for discussion about a show that is about judgement, including that of the viewers. What could be more natural than for good and bad comments to be aired in healthy debate? I can't imagine Digitalspy surviving for long if all the threads were 'You woz good' to quote a late unlamented judge.
For 'bashing' read criticising
For 'venom' read discussion
This is, after all, a forum for discussion about a show that is about judgement, including that of the viewers. What could be more natural than for good and bad comments to be aired in healthy debate? I can't imagine Digitalspy surviving for long if all the threads were 'You woz good' to quote a late unlamented judge.
Originally Posted by Phyllis Stein:
“Love this post!”
“Love this post!”
Thanks for that.
When one or two get their knickers in a twist over one or other of my opinions, if I respond with a "chill out, it's just a message board" I sometimes get a bit of an apoplectic response, as obviously to them it certainly isn't.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?”
“The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?”
Great post, doghouse. I get jumped all over every time I mention Victoria, even though I think my criticisms are well thought out and not personally cruel. Luckily, it has ceased to worry me, but it is ironic that those same posters then don't hesitate to pour buckets of vitriol all over the poster! Incredible double standards.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?”
“The message board really gives me a smile.
It never changes.
If you make a slightly critical remark about someone another poster thinks is wonderful, you can get personal insults thrown at you.
If you say you think there's a "little too much" of (whatever) someone is sure to say, "I s'ppose you'd only be happy if there were none at all!"
It's being presented with what I call, "a typical feast or famine alternative."
There's some on here who think "their role in life" is to protect people on TV from adverse comments from other licence payers. When if the truth be known those people on TV wouldn't really be bothered about their support.
Anyone can say anything they like about anything or anyone on TV, as far as I am concerned as long as it is within the board rules. I can never understand anyone worrying about my opinions when I'm not at all bothered if their opinions are the complete opposite to mine, why should I care?”
And by the same token do you feel its your role in life to tell those who protect people that they are being pointless ? .You care enough about opinions to post so I guess by being here we all care a little .Otherwise a forum would be pointless really .
We could all post what we feel and have post after post of what we think with no discussion on it at all ,Or indeed no opinions expressed on our posts
But I do know what you mean that all opinions can be expressed .That is until they get very personal and cruel .There I draw a line and find that kind of post harmful .And there are some of that nature posted on here that have nothing to do with the dance but aimed at the person and in a very determined and cruel manner
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“See ..that's quite rude and personal, isn't it. It's sort of...handbags at dawn again. Maybe SCD should re enact the Battle of Waterloo to music or something. I'm guessing it would be popular.”
“See ..that's quite rude and personal, isn't it. It's sort of...handbags at dawn again. Maybe SCD should re enact the Battle of Waterloo to music or something. I'm guessing it would be popular.”
No, it isn't. It's quick-witted and bang on the mark without being unkind.
The 'protectors of the sacred Olympic Pendleton flame' are keen enough to heap scorn on me!
The Pendleton-Thought-Police are coming to get me right n
The Pendleton-Thought-Police are coming to get me right n
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