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Regarding judges vote fixing and going to deadlock
I'm really sorry if this thread seems like stating the obvious but I'm a bit confused about the amount of people thinking that the judges voting is not fixed (it seems clear that it is) or conversely, that they are lying about the voting order (I doubt it).
I would imagine the producers have an order/rank of contestants which dictates who will go in the sing off, and this order changes as the competition progresses. When an act is both good and favoured by the producers, they can stay based on judges votes 3-1. No one raises an eyebrow and all judges keep their credibility, fairly simple. Or, as has happened the last three weeks (I think, lost track), the act the judges want to keep in is actually the poorer act, so much harder to keep in while maintaining credibility. So that leaves two options, based on whether this act was actually bottom of the votes or second bottom. If they are second bottom, they sacrifice one judge's credibility, send it to deadlock, and the poor but favoured act stays (like this week. I like Rylan but I guess generally he is considered the poorer act). If they are actually bottom, they have to sacrifice two judges credibility for the two extra votes to give them the 3-1 advantage in order to avoid deadlock (Union J last week). I'm pretty sure it's been following this formula for years so as soon as it went to deadlock between Kye and Rylan, you knew Kye was going home. The judge that is forced to 'lose crediblity' seems to rotate and it's just luck whether it's your turn to take one for the team! ![]() I hope I posted this in the right place, DS is being weird for me
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This isn't news to anyone
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haha yep sorry
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It's a fix they already know who's going to win ,Rylan should have gone ages ago just trying to keep viewers each week sooner this farce ends the better
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We'll find out if it's fixed if Jade had a higher vote than Union J last week, the only week it hasn't gone to deadlock.
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Judges should never have the say should always be the public vote.
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We'll find out if it's fixed if Jade had a higher vote than Union J last week, the only week it hasn't gone to deadlock.
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I'm really sorry if this thread seems like stating the obvious but I'm a bit confused about the amount of people thinking that the judges voting is not fixed (it seems clear that it is) or conversely, that they are lying about the voting order (I doubt it).
I would imagine the producers have an order/rank of contestants which dictates who will go in the sing off, and this order changes as the competition progresses. When an act is both good and favoured by the producers, they can stay based on judges votes 3-1. No one raises an eyebrow and all judges keep their credibility, fairly simple. Or, as has happened the last three weeks (I think, lost track), the act the judges want to keep in is actually the poorer act, so much harder to keep in while maintaining credibility. So that leaves two options, based on whether this act was actually bottom of the votes or second bottom. If they are second bottom, they sacrifice one judge's credibility, send it to deadlock, and the poor but favoured act stays (like this week. I like Rylan but I guess generally he is considered the poorer act). If they are actually bottom, they have to sacrifice two judges credibility for the two extra votes to give them the 3-1 advantage in order to avoid deadlock (Union J last week). I'm pretty sure it's been following this formula for years so as soon as it went to deadlock between Kye and Rylan, you knew Kye was going home. The judge that is forced to 'lose crediblity' seems to rotate and it's just luck whether it's your turn to take one for the team! ![]() I hope I posted this in the right place, DS is being weird for me ![]() |
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The whole thing is a total set up and the winner this year will be Ella or Jahmene, without a doubt! |
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100% agree
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We'll find out if it's fixed if Jade had a higher vote than Union J last week, the only week it hasn't gone to deadlock.
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This theory is made every year and the voting figures have never supported it.
I thought there was support for it. I guess we will see!
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Really?
I thought there was support for it. I guess we will see! |
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This theory is made every year and the voting figures have never supported it.
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Not in previous years. This year might be different, I don't know, we'll have to wait and see.
They only need to sacrifice one judges credibility which is usually Louis anyway. The mentor will always back the act and the public understand that. The advantage of having Nicole with a screw loose is that she could also step in and do it when needed. Tulisa didn't like Kye anyway, so again that one seems understandable. |
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The voting figures have always supported it in the case of favoured acts like Cher Lloyd, Misha B and Katie Waissel coming bottom of the votes and getting saved in the singoff.
The suggestion is also made that through other tricks producers and judges do their best to control which acts get into the bottom 2 in every week so that producers can keep the acts they want to get into the final regardless of public opinion. |
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The only week it went to deadlock with Katie Waissell (bottom 2 four times) was the only week she wasn't at the bottom of the voting.
They only need to sacrifice one judges credibility which is usually Louis anyway. The mentor will always back the act and the public understand that. The advantage of having Nicole with a screw loose is that she could also step in and do it when needed. Tulisa didn't like Kye anyway, so again that one seems understandable. Quote:
The figures certainly did support the theories in chers year where they introduced a singoff into the semi final, just to ensure cher made the final instead of mary.
![]() And of course the ultimate example, Cher v Mary! |
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We'll find out if it's fixed if Jade had a higher vote than Union J last week, the only week it hasn't gone to deadlock.
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I do agree with what everyone's saying. But why have the producers even got favourites in the first place.
Why can't they just see that if the public like the act then surely it's better to keep that act in. It's all very weird isn't it? |
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The Cher vs Mary was a blatant fix, that much is true, as was Kaitie Waissel. There's a difference in it being the whole set up of the show and them backing certain people though. There's been nothing to show that they do this all the time, or have a list, because there's been plenty times when the judges have voted 3-1 for the bad act and then in the votes it turns out the bad act had more votes anyway.
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How can we ever find anything out really? If everything is a fiddle and everything is a fix?
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I do agree with what everyone's saying. But why have the producers even got favourites in the first place.
Why can't they just see that if the public like the act then surely it's better to keep that act in. It's all very weird isn't it? For example they wanted to keep Wagner in, not because they wanted him to release a record, but for viewing figures. They wanted to keep 1D in for the opposite reason. |
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The Cher vs Mary was a blatant fix, that much is true, as was Kaitie Waissel. There's a difference in it being the whole set up of the show and them backing certain people though. There's been nothing to show that they do this all the time, or have a list, because there's been plenty times when the judges have voted 3-1 for the bad act and then in the votes it turns out the bad act had more votes anyway.
But anyway, I do think the judge vote 'fixing' IS the backbone of the show. I'm sure there are a few weeks where they don't really care who goes, particularly early on, plus of course whn the two bottom acts are similarly talented, it may seem like a "fair" non-fixed vote whatever the outcome, but it may well still be fixed to keep the producers favourite. But generally I think the producers basically have their pick of who they want to go out of the bottom two and the judges vote accordingly to the above formula. |
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In all fairness to Cher, where is Mary? Cher Llyod massive in america. Either way this year is a total farce. Crap final 13 in the first place. Only Ella, Jade, James Arther should be there - and stupid results.
Actually want Rylan to win the show now because the script has him gone after District 3 and Chistopher. Kye was sacrificed so if Union J go in the bottom 2 against any of these 3 they will survive, which ensures it paves the way nicely for Union J to make the final 4 with Ella, Jahmne and James. |
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I thought there was support for it. I guess we will see!