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Old 05-11-2012, 15:08
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Does anyone else think this system is just ridiculous, the amount of times i've been turned down buying or even trading in games because of this system is stupid

Also how is university I.D not an acceptable form of I.D do you think that a load of ****ing child prodigies are going to walk through the doors

Under the system you could literally look and be 24 years old and forget your I.D and still be refused for an 18 despite being 6 years older than the age needed to buy the product
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:11
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Which shop was this? Sounds like the sort of thing a supermarket would do.
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:17
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Under the system you could literally look and be 24 years old and forget your I.D and still be refused for an 18 despite being 6 years older than the age needed to buy the product
You've only got yourself to blame if you forget your ID. As someone who works behind a bar, i tend to ID anybody who looks even remotely young as it's not worth running the (admittedly low) risk of getting fined over 2000 and fired just because someone forgot their ID. Supermarkets and Game stores on the high street are also targetted by "secret shoppers" who are actively trying to catch the staff out too, so you can't blame them for ID'ing everyone who looks under 25.

Remember your ID and you wont have a problem. I know that Uni identification should technically mean that someone is over 18, but since it doesn't display the persons date of birth it cannot be used as a form of ID when buying age restricted products (personally, i'd probably accept a Uni student card, but i can understand why others wouldn't).
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:19
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Which shop was this? Sounds like the sort of thing a supermarket would do.
It was in Asda today, but in the past its happened in Game/Gamestation, Grainger games, Cex, HMV

pretty much everywhere, i've got to be honest though if i was selling games and somebody with a uni card and a (possibly over the top) large beard came up to me i'd think he was under 18 as well
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:44
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(personally, i'd probably accept a Uni student card, but i can understand why others wouldn't).
Accepting that kind of id would likely lead to you getting a fine behind the bar too, as it is not an acceptable form of id.

To the OP: just remember your id whenever you go out and you won't have that problem again. Challenge 25 is a great system, just because someone looks over 18, it doesn't mean they are over 18. It helps protect people under age and the servers themselves.
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Old 05-11-2012, 15:50
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I don't think I've ever had to show my ID for a game, I didn't know that Challenge 25 was for anything legaly age restricted, I thought it was just booze?
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:02
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The biggest problem is the association thing now.

You go into a supermarket bump into somebody you know at checkouts and speak to them, they then get id'd and have no ID on them the supermarket then refuses to sell to you because you've been with them and could potentially be buying for them. Stupidest rule ever.
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:14
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Accepting that kind of id would likely lead to you getting a fine behind the bar too, as it is not an acceptable form of id.

To the OP: just remember your id whenever you go out and you won't have that problem again. Challenge 25 is a great system, just because someone looks over 18, it doesn't mean they are over 18. It helps protect people under age and the servers themselves.
University I.D should be accepted though, i'm not sure who made the rule that Provisional/Driver's licenses and passport are the only while accepted I'D but it does seems just a little dodgy that buying ones of these leads to giving the government money, it could be seen as an age tax, when you turn 18 you need to pay to prove you are 18

Why not make a free I'D that proves how old you are or better yet accept Uni Cards
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:23
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University I.D should be accepted though, i'm not sure who made the rule that Provisional/Driver's licenses and passport are the only while accepted I'D but it does seems just a little dodgy that buying ones of these leads to giving the government money, it could be seen as an age tax, when you turn 18 you need to pay to prove you are 18

Why not make a free I'D that proves how old you are or better yet accept Uni Cards
The thing is, university ID cards don't have the same security stuff on them, nor are the proper identity checks carried out as would be required for a passport, so they're easier to forge. Plus you could easily make up a university, and ID card to go with it. Also not everyone will know what all uni ID cards look like.
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:31
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only time i have been ID'd when buying a game was in tesco and wasnt even really ID'd, girl behind the counter asked the guy serving next to her if I was old enough to buy whatever game it was, he pretty much laughed and said yes.

can understand why Uni ID cards arent accepted as a legal form as ID as they are easily faked
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:45
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Why not make a free I'D that proves how old you are...
There already are a couple. Isn't one of them called the Citizen Card or something?
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:45
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Forget how easy Uni IDs are to fake, fact is you don't have to be 18 to get one so they cannot be used as ID for being 18!!!

My sister went to Uni at 17, for example.
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:54
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There already are a couple. Isn't one of them called the Citizen Card or something?
it costs money one for
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:55
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There already are a couple. Isn't one of them called the Citizen Card or something?
I think they cost 5.

I had one of those when i turned 18 before i got my provisional and even though it's supposedly a legitimate form of ID i lost count of the amount of times that people didn't accept it. I eventually just bit the bullet and paid for my provisional.
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Old 05-11-2012, 17:26
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personally Im with the university guy. I think it's ridiculous...I get asked and Im 30 ! my fella gets asked and hes 42 !! Fair enough if you look 18 dont be offended if we ask you for ID but to look 25 and still be asked is stupid. I remember when I worked in Sainsburys one of the til girls was done well the company for selling booze to underaged because the father was buying it but the child gave the money and that's against the law. usually they send in obviously underage people to catch people out. I bought Assasins Creed for my kid the other day and I can see a future of young kids standing outside GAME asking if youd go in and buy COD for them in exchange for MS Points!!!
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Old 05-11-2012, 17:45
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to add to what i've already said

i hate it when you are over 18 one day and then not over 18 the next, i literally bought 10+ 18 rated game from modern warfare 3 until sleeping dogs, when suddenly i didn't look old enough to buy sleeping dogs

And (not strictly gaming related) yesterday i bought a pack of fireworks in the Asda and they where quite good so i went back today to buy a couple more boxes and suddenly i wasn't old enough to buy them, literally 24 hours after being old enough
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Old 05-11-2012, 18:28
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to add to what i've already said

i hate it when you are over 18 one day and then not over 18 the next, i literally bought 10+ 18 rated game from modern warfare 3 until sleeping dogs, when suddenly i didn't look old enough to buy sleeping dogs

And (not strictly gaming related) yesterday i bought a pack of fireworks in the Asda and they where quite good so i went back today to buy a couple more boxes and suddenly i wasn't old enough to buy them, literally 24 hours after being old enough
Yes it is annoying,as Ive got older I seem to be asked for ID more than when I was 18 but you just have to learn to laugh it off and make a joke about it...or make a jokey comment that makes the employee feel embaressed
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Old 05-11-2012, 19:39
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Ultimately, if someone in a shop sells anything age restricted (from alcohol and knives to DVDs and games) to someone underage, they could lose their job. They're not doing it because they think it will annoy you, they're doing it to be sure.
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Old 05-11-2012, 19:57
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Grow a beard I have never once in the last 10years been asked for ID when I have let my beard grow in. I have on a few occasions been asked in the times when I have shaved it off.
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Old 05-11-2012, 21:40
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Having worked in a supermarket, I'm massively in favour of these systems. Personally, I think everyone should be issued with a photographic 'age' card with a chip that you stick into a Chip and Pin machine that verifies your age, no matter what your age.
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Old 05-11-2012, 21:57
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Also how is university I.D not an acceptable form of I.D do you think that a load of child prodigies are going to walk through the doors

Under the system you could literally look and be 24 years old and forget your I.D and still be refused for an 18 despite being 6 years older than the age needed to buy the product
Trading standards and the licencing board have set out what is acceptable id, and if a person looks under 25, by law in scotland the operator must aks for id, we dont have any choice but to ask tosee if

I don't think I've ever had to show my ID for a game, I didn't know that Challenge 25 was for anything legaly age restricted, I thought it was just booze?
This is down to trading standards, challenge 25 cover all age related products,

I get asked and Im 30 !
my fella gets asked and hes 42 !!
Fair enough if you look 18 dont be offended if we ask you for ID but to look 25 and still be asked is stupid.
I remember when I worked in Sainsburys one of the til girls was done well the company for selling booze to underaged because the father was buying it but the child gave the money and that's against the law.
Usually they send in obviously underage people to catch people out. I bought Assasins Creed for my kid the other day and I can see a future of young kids standing outside GAME asking if youd go in and buy COD for them in exchange for MS Points!!!
Im 47 and a checkout operator, I can understand your miffed at being asked for id, but again were only doing our job

The law in scotland is slightly different, if the customer looks under 25, we must ask for id, and many atime, I have asked customers for id, only for them to tell me, there 35 yr old

I even not asked customer for id, as I thought them to be over 25, but they were in fact 20 yr old, so appearances dosnt matter

As for the issue with games, this one is stupid, were not allowed to sell an 18 rated game to children, but here allowed to play these game online, most times its the parent buying the games for there kids, if this was alchol the parents would be charged

MW3 last year, midnight release, the manager rtefused to allow the parent to buy the game, on the account it ws fro there kid, the kid had originaly been in the queue and was asked for id, and was then removed, and he then phone d his parents
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Old 05-11-2012, 22:03
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Sainsburys one of the til girls was done well the company for selling booze to underaged because the father was buying it but the child gave the money and that's against the law.s!!!
I had this last week at my checkout, right in front of me, the son handed money over to his dad, and he said, thats for the beer, right away, i ahve to ask the lad for id, he has no id, so I remove all of the alcohol

The father was raging, shouting, im buying the alcohol, not my son, he refused to listen, even to my manager, we had to call the police, before the police arrived, we told him...ok we put the alcohol through, but this will be reported to the police, and they will be shown the cctv, he refused to take the alcohol...wonder why

Handing money in front of me is not a good idea, neither is say I pay tou tonight
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Old 05-11-2012, 22:31
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im 20 year old female and never get ID'd when buying games or alcohol ever *feels old*
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Old 05-11-2012, 22:37
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I had this last week at my checkout, right in front of me, the son handed money over to his dad, and he said, thats for the beer, right away, i ahve to ask the lad for id, he has no id, so I remove all of the alcohol

The father was raging, shouting, im buying the alcohol, not my son, he refused to listen, even to my manager, we had to call the police, before the police arrived, we told him...ok we put the alcohol through, but this will be reported to the police, and they will be shown the cctv, he refused to take the alcohol...wonder why

Handing money in front of me is not a good idea, neither is say I pay tou tonight
You can legally drink in the home from the age of 5.
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Old 05-11-2012, 22:51
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You can legally drink in the home from the age of 5.
That doesn't make it ok for adults to buy alcohol for anyone underage.
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