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Old 14-11-2012, 04:02
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Hi LoveChryed

Get the tissues ready I am going to have butterflies in my stomach before I watch the episode.
Going to get another box of tissues tomorrow, just in case I run out! I am just pleased Pete wrote the ep and we know the acting will be amazing.

I was just watching today's ep again and feel really sad that after months of watching EE destroy Syed as a character, we are not being given a chance to watch him built up his self confidences and put into action the lessons he has learned. We have seen him take the first steps, but most people will still remember Syed as a liar and a cheat, and he is so much more than that. I know he is only a character from a soap, but he and Chryed together have helped to change peoples life's and attitudes.Then EE decided that a rubbish, plot driven story that made little sense was more important than all it's good work. Not for the first time but still not easy to watch. :sleep:

As a Chryed fan, I will be happy if at the end of Thursday's ep Chryed are going to fight for their marriage, and are together because they love each other and need to be. The Christian fans can look back at the journey he has been on in the last five years, and how much he has grown as a person. But for Syed fans it's not so easy, and it should be and would have been two months ago - because just like Christian he is a good man with flaws.

Not sure how I got to care so much about two fictional characters from a soap
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Old 14-11-2012, 08:38
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The day or reckoning is almost upon us. :sleep:
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Old 14-11-2012, 09:22
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Feeling a bit sad..

Chryed have been split up in the worst possible way (for me, anyway - I understand some people will have enjoyed some parts of this s/l and that's fine) to get to this one point. I hope it's worth it....

Sorry depressing post

I'm gonna try and think of my one favourite Chryed scene - ummm...talk before and after NYD wedding is a contender, maybe superman, hospital ABRC...loads of contenders..it will be hard
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Old 14-11-2012, 09:30
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Feeling a bit sad..

Chryed have been split up in the worst possible way (for me, anyway - I understand some people will have enjoyed some parts of this s/l and that's fine) to get to this one point. I hope it's worth it....

Sorry depressing post

I'm gonna try and think of my one favourite Chryed scene - ummm...talk before and after NYD wedding is a contender, maybe superman, hospital ABRC...loads of contenders..it will be hard
I've been watching lots of old Chryed lately and by old Chryed I mean anything before October 2012 :sleep: and I think that's getting me through it. It's this that makes any endgame worth it and totally consistant and justified.

I refuse to let some last minute hatchet plot twist take away the importance of this storyline.

However I do agree with you. What's happened, especially so late in the game has been soul destroying.
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Old 14-11-2012, 09:37
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I've been watching lots of old Chryed lately and by old Chryed I mean anything before October 2012 :sleep: and I think that's getting me through it. It's this that makes any endgame worth it and totally consistant and justified.

I refuse to let some last minute hatchet plot twist take away the importance of this storyline.

However I do agree with you. What's happened, especially so late in the game has been soul destroying.
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I remember really enjoying all that small business of the year award stuff - I'll have to rewatch. The Beales and Masoods were on good form and I loved the angst of Chryed. Syed blissfully happy cos he was with his man (in some capacity, but it was a start for Syed) and Christian feeling that Syed was just having his cake and eating it! Angsty, but brill cos you were rooting for them
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Old 14-11-2012, 09:45
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Morning!

I've been watching lots of old Chryed lately and by old Chryed I mean anything before October 2012 :sleep: and I think that's getting me through it. It's this that makes any endgame worth it and totally consistant and justified.

I refuse to let some last minute hatchet plot twist take away the importance of this storyline.

However I do agree with you. What's happened, especially so late in the game has been soul destroying.
Totally agree with this! Nothing can take away the original storyline, and the odd bits of gold we've had since then.

As for my one favourite Chryed scene...i couldn't possibly choose
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Old 14-11-2012, 10:25
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Hi AussieEnder

I hope you are right about the ending. Stand By Me is on the play list for the ep so ...........

I think it's starting to hit me now that we only have one more ep left.
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Totally agree with this! Nothing can take away the original storyline, and the odd bits of gold we've had since then.

As for my one favourite Chryed scene...i couldn't possibly choose
I think we will do lots of reminicing after it is all over....... We will have so many beautiful moments. I always like the scene when Syed came back from his honeymoon and Christian was trying to avoid him and then their eyes met it said it all.
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:01
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Just been listening to the radio and a Bee Gees song popped up, which reminded me of Chryed.

No man on Earth can stand between my love and I
And no matter how you hurt me, I will love you till I die
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:06
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Bib 1 this is what you wrote - I fail to see how I twisted it. You said it was a 'fact' that Christian's behaviour has left them where they are now. And although you go on to say that they both need to look at their faults, that doesn't qualify what you said there and that was what I was arguing about.

I do NOT see how on earth Christian's behaviour last year made Syed ruin his family and sleep with someone else.

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If you don’t see it as fact that they both contributed to where they are now we will never see eye to eye. Nobody has ever said Syed hasn’t been at fault, it’s rather hammered home in fact in all their fallouts. Syed always seems to be the one in the wrong in their makeups..except he hasn’t been.
I don’t see a cut off period where past actions suddenly stop affecting the relationship. You didn’t used to either when you excused a lot of Christian’s behaviour with insecurities caused by Syed’s behaviour before they got together.


Para 2 second post bolded - I find this very confused.

You seem to be saying that because Christian slept with the AB bloke to make Syed jealous, then he was actually still with him?

I said attached ...he was doing it to hurt him and it would have and for that to matter they weren't over. Clinically in black and white they were apart...that doesn’t lessen the pain of seeing the person you love with another guy knwing they are in your bed... at that point it was the divorce keeping them apart...(if like me you felt Syed owed it to be kind to Amira and once he knew that wasn’t ever going to work with her he acted and brought Qadim in even though Qadim had quite recently said he’d put him in a coffin you will feel it was really undeserved) . I think images of Christian and Aaron rolling around in their bed would have been very hard for Syed to live with especially rubbed in his face the way it all was. But we are not allowed to see that. See Syed’s pain over that and it would have been there. And was another large chip at his own insecurities within this relationship. Add that to how his pov was often disregarded by Christian then yes I do think Christian has contributed to Syed’s chronic lack of self-confidence that even Christian said led to some of these current exit line actions




He cared very much for Syed, he loved and loves him, but Syed had closed off from him, was living with his wife and child and wearing the wedding ring. He had also told Christian that he was happy with that and it was his decision.
Syed didn’t close off from him. He went to great lengths to include him before Christian left. Amira was in the flat because Christian brought her there. It was Syed who was trying to find a place for her to move out to. Anything that happened after was because Christian left, Jane confirmed to Syed that he had moved on before Syed made the fnal decision on the business . Christian came back as if he’d been having a great time in the Canaries. They both tried to show they were ok. Even though they weren’t, neither of them.



They were APART. Just because Christian went with the AB chap in front of Syed, to make him JEALOUS, doesn't mean he was in ANY WAY with Syed.

(Not Christian's finest hour, but I remember feeling great that Christian was using every weapon in his arsenal to get through to Syed).

Bib 4 - No Syed never MEANS it - I've heard that as an excuse over and over and over again. But it ceases to count or matter when it's repeated over and over again.

The fact is - he STILL hurts people. And not ever learning that lesson makes Syed both immature and sort of toxic.


Bib 4 - no it WASN'T Who Me it was on the back of over seven months of HAPPINESS with Christian.

And before THEN, Syed had done his fair share of extremely hurtful behaviour, it's NOT just Christian who does 'horrible' things. Syed looks all sweet and all that, but he doesn't behave that way.
I have never said Syed doesn’t do hurtful things I actually pointed out that in doing them he is usually trying not to hurt someone but I also said it’s still painful for the recipient. What I said was that he has always paid and been hauled over the coals for everything he’s ever done wrong. What I need because we haven’t had it, is to see Christian acknowledge that his often very selfish and bullyish behaviour has often contributed to why Syed acted a certain way. He threw him out over changing his mind over adoption...a decision he’d bulldozed him into...and he wonders why when he’s guilt tripped Syed into knowing if he sees Yasmin he will have made a choice between his baby and him...why Syed then struggled to tell him when threatened with that child being taken a away... that he'd weakened and was seeing her and then struggled to tell him..But rather tried to fix it for Amira to come round to him.

I won’t insult you back by describing Christian’s attributes as if that in any way is behind your arguments but it’s lovely of you to say that Syed looks all sweet and all that.

But I do think if this isn’t addressed and Christian’s past mistakes talked about too, Christian will look an idiot for trying again. But if he realises his own part too and sees how great Syed was with him through his insecurities and awful behaviour, then I certainly will feel why they both might think each other is worth it. That’s certainly what I hoped from this exit s/l.


Even BF - how would you feel about it all if Christian was a WOMAN - had gone through all that awful stuff to be with Syed only to be humoured, flip flopped on and then denied a child? I'm not saying for ONE second that Christian behaved well, but Syed DIDN'T either. He was incredibly hurtful to Christian, mostly because he didn't tell him the TRUTH.
I wouldn’t call having second thoughts about such a massive decision as adoption when you have been bulldozed into it as flip flopping. Syed’s not been indecisive about smaller issues, he can be quite pig-headed actually but yes coming out as a gay man in a Muslim family...taking a life changing decision not just for them but for the child when he really was steam rollered before he’d ever have made the decision himself...you call it flip flopping. I wouldn’t, and again Syed was hauled over the coals as he always is so we know his part in this was wrong and it was made certain that he knew it. WHAT WE NEVER SAW WAS CHRISTIAN ACKNOWLEDGING HIS PART WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT NEEDS SAYING. We know Christian was hurt we saw all of that...we always do he is rather good at playing the martyr as he even did over the DNA test. That became all about him being upset that Syed couldn’t instantly accept the result. It had nothing to do with any hurt Syed might be feeling that the little girl he’d fallen in love with was not it turns out his daughter.

I don’t get why Christian being a woman would make a difference.



It always goes back to this with Syed. Lies and coverups and lashing out.
It certainly does seem to and yet it shouldn't. It takes two to tango.


I agree with you about the last bit.

I have been very pleased with Syed over the last three eps. He's trying to act properly, honestly and in a determined fashion without beating his own breast and sulking GOOD.

And I actually WANT Syed to talk about how he FELT. Because it's that that leads to his actions, some wonderful, some disastrous.

And for that he will have to show a bit of proper self understanding and honesty.

And that's what Syed needs to do to get Christian on side.


Pleased we're having a barney by the way, it wouldn't be the thread if we didn't before the end like
If this is all about that I hope he doesn’t, When Syed said to Christian he loves him more than ever all I could think was why? It’s how last year left me feeling and nothing that’s happened has changed that. Making Syed suddenly do all these bad things in this exit doesn’t fix that. It just makes me think... why would Christian want to be with Syed.

If this is all about Syed being in the wrong again and I repeat because that’s what we’ve got before when it shouldn’t have been like that..it’s going to feel awful to me.

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Old 14-11-2012, 11:07
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Feeling a bit sad..

Chryed have been split up in the worst possible way (for me, anyway - I understand some people will have enjoyed some parts of this s/l and that's fine) to get to this one point. I hope it's worth it....

Sorry depressing post

I'm gonna try and think of my one favourite Chryed scene - ummm...talk before and after NYD wedding is a contender, maybe superman, hospital ABRC...loads of contenders..it will be hard

I was going to say unit talk because that is one I love so so much...but then you said Superman...mmm still unit but I had a wobble!
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:19
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I was going to say unit talk because that is one I love so so much...but then you said Superman...mmm still unit but I had a wobble!
I'm still trying to decide...it could be the reveal when Christian said to Amira, if it hadn't been him it would have been someone else and Syed said 'no, it wouldn't'. My little heart just melted at that
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:24
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Favourite scene....without a doubt forehead kiss. Still the most beautifully heartbreaking and emotionally powerful scene. The scene that made me fall utterly in love with Chryed and that showed the depth of their love perfectly.
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:36
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are we talking fave scenes?

Fave Chryed scene - can I be shallow and say bed scene?

Fave Christian scene - basically all the Phil stuff from 10th November, horrible to watch but Johnny was just AMAZING in these scenes!!! some of his best ever performances.

Fave Syed scene - salon chat with Tanya

And, funnily enough, all the above were written by Daran Little!
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:39
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I think we will do lots of reminicing after it is all over....... We will have so many beautiful moments. I always like the scene when Syed came back from his honeymoon and Christian was trying to avoid him and then their eyes met it said it all.
Oh yeah definitely! I think we've been rather lucky!

Cut finger is a favourite of mine and the bitch fight in the MQ before the painting gets ruined. "Those eyes will come in handy then"
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:46
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Ooooh I love so many - cut finger, forehead kiss, DC week perfection...

Separately I love Christian's 'SBM' scenes and Syed's 'I'm gay Mum, I'm gay and I *love* him' guh.
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If you don’t see it as fact that they both contributed to where they are now we will never see eye to eye. Nobody has ever said Syed hasn’t been at fault, it’s rather hammered home in fact in all their fallouts. Syed always seems to be the one in the wrong in their makeups..except he hasn’t been.
I don’t see a cut off period where past actions suddenly stop affecting the relationship. You didn’t used to either when you excused a lot of Christian’s behaviour with insecurities caused by Syed’s behaviour before they got together.

I said attached ...he was doing it to hurt him and it would have and for that to matter they weren't over. Clinically in black and white they were apart...that doesn’t lessen the pain of seeing the person you love with another guy knwing they are in your bed... at that point it was the divorce keeping them apart...(if like me you felt Syed owed it to be kind to Amira and once he knew that wasn’t ever going to work with her he acted and brought Qadim in even though Qadim had quite recently said he’d put him in a coffin you will feel it was really undeserved) . I think images of Christian and Aaron rolling around in their bed would have been very hard for Syed to live with especially rubbed in his face the way it all was. But we are not allowed to see that. See Syed’s pain over that and it would have been there. And was another large chip at his own insecurities within this relationship. Add that to how his pov was often disregarded by Christian then yes I do think Christian has contributed to Syed’s chronic lack of self-confidence that even Christian said led to some of these current exit line actions

Syed didn’t close off from him. He went to great lengths to include him before Christian left. Amira was in the flat because Christian brought her there. It was Syed who was trying to find a place for her to move out to. Anything that happened after was because Christian left, Jane confirmed to Syed that he had moved on before Syed made the fnal decision on the business . Christian came back as if he’d been having a great time in the Canaries. They both tried to show they were ok. Even though they weren’t, neither of them.

I have never said Syed doesn’t do hurtful things I actually pointed out that in doing them he is usually trying not to hurt someone but I also said it’s still painful for the recipient. What I said was that he has always paid and been hauled over the coals for everything he’s ever done wrong. What I need because we haven’t had it, is to see Christian acknowledge that his often very selfish and bullyish behaviour has often contributed to why Syed acted a certain way. He threw him out over changing his mind over adoption...a decision he’d bulldozed him into...and he wonders why when he’s guilt tripped Syed into knowing if he sees Yasmin he will have made a choice between his baby and him...why Syed then struggled to tell him when threatened with that child being taken a away... that he'd weakened and was seeing her and then struggled to tell him..But rather tried to fix it for Amira to come round to him.

I won’t insult you back by describing Christian’s attributes as if that in any way is behind your arguments but it’s lovely of you to say that Syed looks all sweet and all that.

But I do think if this isn’t addressed and Christian’s past mistakes talked about too, Christian will look an idiot for trying again. But if he realises his own part too and sees how great Syed was with him through his insecurities and awful behaviour, then I certainly will feel why they both might think each other is worth it. That’s certainly what I hoped from this exit s/l.

I wouldn’t call having second thoughts about such a massive decision as adoption when you have been bulldozed into it as flip flopping. Syed’s not been indecisive about smaller issues, he can be quite pig-headed actually but yes coming out as a gay man in a Muslim family...taking a life changing decision not just for them but for the child when he really was steam rollered before he’d ever have made the decision himself...you call it flip flopping. I wouldn’t, and again Syed was hauled over the coals as he always is so we know his part in this was wrong and it was made certain that he knew it. WHAT WE NEVER SAW WAS CHRISTIAN ACKNOWLEDGING HIS PART WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT NEEDS SAYING. We know Christian was hurt we saw all of that...we always do he is rather good at playing the martyr as he even did over the DNA test. That became all about him being upset that Syed couldn’t instantly accept the result. It had nothing to do with any hurt Syed might be feeling that the little girl he’d fallen in love with was not it turns out his daughter.

I don’t get why Christian being a woman would make a difference.

It certainly does seem to and yet it shouldn't. It takes two to tango.

If this is all about that I hope he doesn’t, When Syed said to Christian he loves him more than ever all I could think was why? It’s how last year left me feeling and nothing that’s happened has changed that. Making Syed suddenly do all these bad things in this exit doesn’t fix that. It just makes me think... why would Christian want to be with Syed.

If this is all about Syed being in the wrong again and I repeat because that’s what we’ve got before when it shouldn’t have been like that..it’s going to feel awful to me.

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I totally agree with this, that Christian was out of line for thinking Syed should be grateful that he's just been told Yasmin isn't his. Christian wasn't thinking of Syed's feelings at all at that point, just his own relief that Yasmin wouldn't come between them any more.

The biggest issue I have with Chryed is that Christian's bad behaviour is often excused because of his insecurities caused by their original storyline, whereas Syed's bad behaviour - cheating aside - isn't excused, no matter how difficult the relationship between Masood and Zainab was as he was growing up (I also find it hard to believe that Syed got mountain bikes for birthdays whilst Tamwar got fountain pens - as if Masood would allow such inconsistancies.) and how much Christian drove their relationship during the surrogacy and adoption storylines.

Gosh, this will all be over soon.
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:47
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The talk in the cafe before the wedding

And reunion, where they both looked beautiful.
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Old 14-11-2012, 11:47
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fave Chroxy scene - bench chat after Piper kiss

fave Christian/Yasmin scene - their sad goodbye

fave Syed/Yasmin scene - BOUNCE!

Fave Christian/Amy scene - bridesmaid hug

fave Chrainab scene - we have done it all and HE LAAAAAARVED IT!

Fave Christian/Jane scene - hospital chat after ABRC

Fave Syed/Tam scene - hospital chat after Zainab's suicide attempt

Fave Syed/Zainab scene - I'm gay and I love him

Fave ChristMas scene - widget scene

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I totally agree with this, that Christian was out of line for thinking Syed should be grateful that he's just been told Yasmin isn't his. Christian wasn't thinking of Syed's feelings at all at that point, just his own relief that Yasmin wouldn't come between them any more.

The biggest issue I have with Chryed is that Christian's bad behaviour is often excused because of his insecurities caused by their original storyline, whereas Syed's bad behaviour - cheating aside - isn't excused, no matter how difficult the relationship between Masood and Zainab was as he was growing up (I also find it hard to believe that Syed got mountain bikes for birthdays whilst Tamwar got fountain pens - as if Masood would allow such inconsistancies.)
I know but it's frustratingly inevitable. I'm sure there have been times where I've given the impression I haven't been aware/cared for Christian's issues when I've actually just been focused on defending Syed when he's, IMO, been misunderstood.

I'm not saying that Syed cheating was equal to the sum of Christian's mistakes or is the sole result of these. However Christian's attitude and approach did do some damage and played a part in Syed's subsequent choices. That needs to be addressed if they want to open up and move on. Not that I'm expecting it.

I also get whome?'s point about Syed always being the 'wrong party'. That's absolutely not the case (although with the cheating, absolutely) and it does grate to constantly see it. I think it's got a lot to do with Syed's reserved nature and lack of friends. He hasn't had someone as a sounding board who's on his side - a Tam isn't a Roxy, and Tanya was underused in that regard. He's rarely vocalised his problems (cos his self worth is so low, and a lack of accommodation for it on the writer's part).
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With regards to Syed cheating and how many viewers now hate him for it, I was thinking yesterday about Torchwood and how the character of Gwen married her lovely fiancee Rhys having never told him that she'd slept with one of her collegues several times - interestingly, most viewers never had a problem with it and thought the past should remain the past.

Well, she did tell Rhys but then took his memories of that confession away via Retcon. :sleep:

I do think viewers will excuse bad behaviour if it's one of their favourite characters doing it.
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I do think viewers will excuse bad behaviour if it's one of their favourite characters doing it.
Oh absolutely! You 'understand it more' and so can forgive/overlook it without the need to explain why.
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Old 14-11-2012, 12:09
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are we talking fave scenes?

Fave Chryed scene - can I be shallow and say bed scene?

Fave Christian scene - basically all the Phil stuff from 10th November, horrible to watch but Johnny was just AMAZING in these scenes!!! some of his best ever performances.

Fave Syed scene - salon chat with Tanya

And, funnily enough, all the above were written by Daran Little!
bib - *slowly backs away from LoopyLa... sorry, LovelyLaura*


My fave Christian, Syed & Chryed scenes would be

Chryed - The wedding. Yes, I know a lot of people hate it because we now know Chryed married on a lie thanks to Syed not being able to keep it in his trousers but no matter what happened after that I can't not love it.

Christian - Very early Christian scene where he finds out he won't be helping Roxy to raise Amy (because aparently numpty Sean was a better idea :sleep

Syed - CAG
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How is everyone doing with #VivaChryed day only around the corner
Hi, hope you're well. .

I think most of us would say we're actually looking forward to Chryed's exit, simply to see the boys 'happy' again.
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Old 14-11-2012, 12:31
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Oh yeah definitely! I think we've been rather lucky!

Cut finger is a favourite of mine and the bitch fight in the MQ before the painting gets ruined. "Those eyes will come in handy then"
BIB: Forgotten that! I think Christian decided to ditch poor James then!! For causing his man bodily harm
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