Thanks

BIB: (groans) But thanks for this - I see

Congratulations Freedom at last (sorry for taking out a few of your smilies..)

Thanks

Oh no, don't let Joey (and his dynamic) with Derek, be relfection of what Dennis (and Den) once were.

Dennis was a fantastic, multi-layered character who bought the screen to life, and his relationship with is father was a interesting but tragic one. Honestly, go watch the awsome two hander between Dennis and Den that Sarah Phelps wrote in 2004 on youtube. It made the hairs at the back of my neck stand up. It was such uncomfortable viewing and I had a horrible sick feeling in my stomach at the end of it. I guess that's what powerful writing does!


This. As much as I'd like, and am disapointed that we never got to see that father and son much needed, long awaited outburst, thier issues are not my main concern right now. Christian and Syed's however are. I need to believe in them again.

I will like to add...

Thank you all from WFCTGIO thread for supporting me and encouraging me and helping me when I need help and listening to me. esp in early 2010 as I was still a little fragile from year 10 you all helped me through so thanks

BIB: Yep, you have hit that nail right on the head!! It's why I find it hard to think too deeply about any of this - although I still try a bit. They have just done an EE on Syed - it' always sad

You're welcome.

Night allx

I'll have to put that two-hander on my to watch list then. I do try and avoid watching old EE: it's too irritating to compare it to the guff we get these days. But seeing as I don't plan on watching following Chryed's exit, I can enjoy it for what it is: good television and good writing.

edited to add: night Buttercup!

Congratulations and what a lovely post!Your posts always make me smile so thankyou too.


This is where I am at.

I do think EE have shot themesleves in the foot with this exit. By making Syed so unworthy and inept and... I hasten to add..in this exit s/l and Christian so long suffering and saintly both characters look as bad as each other so why would anyone care.


Which might be what they wanted. They could have left a big gap..but this way people might well be glad they are gone. This s/l has been relentlessly awful.

Similarly..Syed really shook up the Masoods when he arrived. They were great characters already but his s/l has really made them exciting and interesting. He could have left a massive hole. But by bringing in AJ who can be the black sheep and cause ructions..by making it feel the Masoods would be better off without Syed..maybe they are just doing what they have to...look at the long term future of EE and they don't want people missing characters too much. They knew how big Chryed were too.

But I can take crumbs. I like Tam wandering into Syed's flat making himself at home. Not a great scene for Syed as they are determned to make him inept at every turn now but nice to see the brothers chatting like that. So so many times we should have seen that. Thanks BK.

Syed (Marc) looked gorgeous in that scene with his mum even though I didn't like the scene.

He looked impossibly gorgeous in the nursery scene and it was lovely to see just Syed having an everyday scene with Kat. Shame it took Marc leaving to achieve this.And shame about the clunky dialogue.

Roxy was ok too with just the two of them.

I really liked the scene with Amira. That to me was Syed, there was no self pity about his own situation when he said he was happy for Amira. Loved Yasmin with him ..cute scenes.

As for the plot. Whatever!

Oh yes and I agree..Mas was actually cruel with his little test. Of course Zainab would react like that and as has been said would have with Tam too..Syed was the only one she hadn't seen.
Mas can be an evil jealous twerp sometimes and I do wish we'd had someone say that to him before Syed leaves and call him up on his self righteousnous. Doubt we will though.

EE have had some stella two-handers over the years. I don't know if you watched "You aint my muvva" but the week where Kat reveals that she's Zoe's mum is worth a watch. Easily the best week of television last decade.

You'll see Kat in a whole new light and then curse BK for whart he's done - and I'm not even a Kat fan.

When I stopped watching at the end of 05, I found I was going through alot of old stuff aswell because the current stuff wasn't doing it for me.

In terms of online communities I don't know what I'm going to do now, once Chryed go. Between the years of Shannis and Chryed, I spent alot of time on a site called Kryptonsite - a fansite for the show, Smallville, which I was a huge fan off at the time,

I can't say I'm "hooked" on any show, though I do get my Vampire Diaries, Once upon a time, and Revenge fix every week so I think I may move to the TV shows forum on digital spy to comment if I'm having an itch. Though I can't see it being a regular thing like I am with this thread because I don't care as much.

Sorry for chopping your post up into little pieces who me

Yep... and I doubt they've noticed or even care


I wouldn't call someone who beat up another man and walked out on his three week old marriage saintly. I'd use another word - but it might get me banned


...make people want to watch paint dry instead :sleep:


I loved that scene, "There's no food at home I know! I'll go and help myself to breakfast at my brother's house"


I thought they were trying to make Syed the most unlikeable person by the end of this storyline but I was wrong, it's Masood. If he gets any nastier than he was last night I'll really struggle to like him after this storyline is over - and I'm not even sure I want him and Zainab together anymore Not only was he cruel in his little test I hated hearing Zainab say she was sorry for leaving - even though Masood told her to go! What the hell did he expect her to do?

I love Winnie The Pooh. I never really got into Disney but I had the books read to me as a child and even now you can go back and st ill enjoy them.

And by the way I did what Yasmin did as a child, only I took Big Boots literally and borrowed someone else's 'Big Boots' and could hardly walk in them! (Needless to say I didn't get very far...:sleep


Yasmin's a clever girl, she knows where she wants to be. I'm thinking of writing more. I shouldn't, I should focus on my course but it may happen anyway.

i thought that said a naked Derek/Syed scene


please write more, thanks

Loved the story - and the fantasy.

I also ran away from home when I was a child. But, since I wasn't allowed to cross the street on my own, I went next door. They let me stay for a biscuit after phoning my parents. Not fair, really.:sleep:

oh bless custard cream i hope

Okay, with Chryed going next week, I was thinking, now would be a good time to give our Stonewall Fundraiser that one final push for donations.

http://www.justgiving.com/KatrinaK

I know that a lot of people have already donated – and donated again a couple of weekends ago at ChryedCon- and I don’t expect those people to donate again. So please don’t feel pressured to do so again. However if you want to, by all means.

However since the fundraising page begun in Sepeteber 2011, we’ve had new members join and I can imagine lurkers so if you can afford a tiny bit, that would be fantastic.

I was just thinking EastEnders may have spat on us with this current story but it doesn’t negate the powerful and inspirational story that we got from it. I’ll always look back on the Chryed story about a love story concerning two men who couldn’t be together because of the oppressive, social, orthodox and cultural pressures and issues that still very much exist in real life – not some crappy last minute hatched plot twist. :sleep:

I have increased the target on the page – but that’s not because I expect the thread to aim for that amount but because Dessie still has the half of what we raised at the ChryedCon auction to put through. That should come through in the next few weeks once the con dvds are sent out and of course non-attending registration packs. Any surpluss, will be added to the £1,000 total and then be split evenly between Stonewall and Imaan.

Congratulations on your graduation Buttercup

Thanks for the fic Lyra

Regarding last nights ep, I think the scene with Syed and Zainab, following on from the one between Masood and Zainab about Syed, was saying how the dynamic between Syed and his parents is never going to change and it's foreshadowing that he needs to break away from them. For his own sake, and indirectly his relationship with Christian and also his parents relationship. Again, badly executed with no nuance though.

It is sad for Syed really, that he is still this bane between his parents, going right back to when he was child and nothing’s changed. As a child/teenager, all he wanted to do was please them, make them proud, but he could never live up to it whilst being himself, was resented and rejected, this before he had even done anything wrong. He took on the guilt and responsibility of that, of being the problem, the thing that was wrong, even as a child, he took the weight of that on his shoulders. As an adult he struggles to shake that and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, through confusion, desperation, self-destruction and betrayal of those closest to him. But he has to grow up now, to recognise why what has happened happened, to have the reflection, not just on himself, but on the situation as a whole, including Christian’s position. He has to take responsibility for his own life and actions/mistakes now, but not for those of his parents and not feel responsible for their issues (beyond the recent ones that were actually his doing ) All the more reason that he needs distance between him and them. It won’t be an estrangement, they have accepted him, they will always be a part of each others lives, but from a new, objective, even slightly detached viewpoint. Which is what Syed needs to flourish.

Totally confused about the nonsensical ‘you left’, ‘you told me to go’ stuff between Masood and Zainab. No idea what any of it was supposed to mean, or the point of it, apart from Nina going on a break

I agree the majority if the ep was badly written/executed, especially the toddler group scene, even if I did understand the point that were trying to make. Soon as that scene finished I wondered if it was a Gittins or Povey ep, even though I didn't know at the time. It was quite obvious:sleep:

Agree with Syed that contact should be built up over time with Amira’s new partner. It's a complicated situation surrounding custody, involving lots of factors, but I don't have a problem as such with Amira wanting to resume main custody, just the way it was executed last night wasn’t great. It does seem to happen quickly with not much transition. But then we have had spoilers suggesting she is being reasonable about access for Chryed, and understands they too have a role in her life. I can understand and sympathise with Syed’s reasons for going along with it. I do think he is thinking of Yasmin, and thinks he is doing the right thing, but he is not thinking completely straight and I think the reality of the situation will hit him almost as soon as he has made the decision. But in the end I'm not sure he, or Chryed would have made a different decision anyway. There is the point about a longer transition period, but the plot and timing constraints mean that that is completely impossible to do from a story telling pov so I don't think we can place any importance on it at all. Ditto Amira moving near London. Like vf said, this is a plot device, as part of Syed's story more than anything.

I think it's completely unrealistic that eventually Chryed wouldn’t move to live near Yasmin and still be a big part of her life.

Loved the scenes with Yasmin, she is so relaxed and natural on set.

I can't not mention how delicious Syed looked last night with neck/collarbone/shoulder glimpse. Guh, don't you just want to stroke/lick his warm, glowing skin, then run your hands through his hair as you gaze into his eyes? ...Or maybe that's just me

Awwww bless


Thanks Katrina, will definitely try to donate again to mark the end of the story Congrats and well done for what you all raised at the con

6 November 2012 Last updated at 17:23563.Separated fathers to gain legal right to see children
The legal change will help fathers gain access to their children
Separated fathers are to gain the legal right to spend time with their children unless they are likely to harm them.

The changes to access laws were announced in a letter to MPs from the Children's Minister Edward Timpson.

The letter says both parents should have the chance "to play a positive role in their children's lives when it is safe and in their best interests".

The 2013 change is seen as unnecessary by legal experts, but welcomed by fathers' rights groups.

The letter states that the government's starting point in the changing the legislation is based on two principles - firstly that the safety of children is paramount, secondly that both parents should be involved in their upbringing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20223526

Well, I can re-remember it as cc!

Great analysis Lovesy and I agree that Syed really does need to take a break from his family to not only help himself, and his relationship with Christian put his parents too. However I think it's more himself. He needs to be in an enviroment where he doesn't constantly strive to please and gain acceptance, causing havok, in the process.

I think it would be the best thing for him. It's sad that it's come down to this, especially since the relationship with his parents has been undeveloped but I think Syed does need to do alot of growing up. It's not going to happen in the square.

No, oh no, deffo not just you. Don't you remember how you had to cuff my hands at the play, to keep me from doing just that.

BiB: Yeah, that's the main thing, really. I don't have a problem with Amira wanting full custody- Yasmin is her daughter too. But it's just the way it's been executed, it makes them both look a bit reckless. Amira meets a guy, falls in love after a few weeks and this guy is willing to raise a child he's never even met? It's bad enough to marry someone after that short an amount of time, but when there's a child involved? Syed gives his child up to someone he's going to have met once and has never met when he makes the decision? Would've been much, much better if Christian had stated Amira was travelling with her new boyfriend- at least then it would've been months. I mean, four/five months isn't enough to decide to get married and raise a child together, but it is enough time to fall in love and get to know each other and trust someone with your child- as well as the fact he'd have actually spent time with Yasmin. Again, not a bad concept, just awfully executed and completely rushed.

Will say it's very kind of Amira to say Christian can be a part of Yasmin's life, though. That is something I really admire her for, because that is purely for the good of her daughter. Wish she hadn't left totally detesting Christian so it was more believable but hey. This is more believable to her original characterisation than her relentlessly hating Christian without giving an inch.