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Old 08-11-2012, 14:03
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Every time a new piece of news is released concerning Derek, Tanya, Lauren or Joey, there are a handful of people who seem to think that the conclusion to their storylines is 'completely obvious' - that Derek attacked Tanya and therefore this led to Lauren being conceived.

Every time I read this, I get annoyed, thinking how ridiculous this theory is, but haven't felt the need to say anything until I saw the latest round of speculation when Derek's funeral pictures were released.

If Derek had raped Tanya, do you think she, of all characters, would have let him get away with it? This is the woman who took revenge on Max when he had an affair with Stacey by burying him alive. The woman who was so sickened by this that she declared that she couldn't look at baby Oscar. So on what level do these people think that she would be able to sit down to dinner with Derek, allow him into her family home, and allow him anywhere near her daughters? It's entirely impossible that she would have let him get away with it, and concealed the truth from Max.

Tanya has reinvented herself since Max's affair with Stacey, becoming a more independent woman, rather than being a doormat, and I don't think for one second that she would have concealed such a massive secret. For one, that would have made her a complete hypocrite, given that she buried Max alive for having an affair with Stacey - surely a better form of revenge would have been to tell him the truth about their daughter, thereby destroying his relationship with her, with Lauren, and with Derek? I know some people will say that this is a storyline that has just been thought up, but I don't buy that one little bit.

Tanya has had many opportunities over time to tell Max and Lauren the truth, so for her to keep it a secret, just doesn't make sense.

Additionally, she had a relationship with Jack - why on Earth would have done such a thing if Derek had attacked her? Surely any woman would have steered clear of the brothers after this.

I think the people compounding this theory must have no idea about the horror and the trauma of such a thing as sexual assault or rape. They see it as something that can be bandied about to make for controversial storylining, without taking into account how much something like that can affect the person involved, and how offensive it must be to people who have suffered this crime to see it regurgitated time after time as an 'obvious' storyline choice. I suspect these are the same people who thought it was 'obvious' that Sharon was going to be revealed as Cora's secret daughter, despite the fact that that was a definite impossibility.

The pure fact is that Tanya doesn't like Derek. He isn't a nice man. He was in prison for years for an armed robbery, and she knows, deep down, that he hasn't redeemed himself - she saw the effect his cruel taunts had on Pat when she was dying of cancer, and this hit home to her. This storyline theory just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm wrong, then I'll apologise, but it's exactly 'sensational' storyline theories like this that EastEnders doesn't need. It's grounded in realism. Realistically, Joey and Lauren could fall for each other. Realistically, Tanya wouldn't let Derek anywhere near her if he had raped her, just as Kat couldn't stand to be in the same room as Harry, Kathy couldn't stand to be in the same room as Willmott-Brown, and Little Mo couldn't stand to be anywhere near Graham, or Trevor by the end.

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Old 08-11-2012, 14:18
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I think that if it turns out that Lauren and Joey are brother and sisters I'll certainly no longer be watching Eastenders.

It would be out of character for Tanya to have kept it a secrete.
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Old 08-11-2012, 14:19
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I don't believe any theory he raped Tanya or is Lauren's dad its too contrived and complicates all the history on the show as it is and what has been said already indicate its neither, If he had raped her and was Lauren's dad would there not be more evidence on screen such as her not wanting to be in his presence nor letting him anywhere near her children and Tanya is hardly one too keep her gob shut for long.

Its possible he tried it on with her but I just don't think it went as far as rape, yes his vile and bullying but I would be disappointed if they went this route to just use it as a excuse for his eventual murder, its a copout and done so many times already.
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Old 08-11-2012, 14:21
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I think that if it turns out that Lauren and Joey are brother and sisters I'll certainly no longer be watching Eastenders.

It would be out of character for Tanya to have kept it a secrete.
If this or something along these lines I will be miffed off. It will be a total fail to what could have been a decent SL.
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Old 08-11-2012, 14:21
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Think a lot of it is just forum speculation and it has snowballed. I don't think its gonna happen, it would have to mean some serious re-writing of Max & Tanya's backstory which I know it's a soap and can be done, but it will just be too much that Tanya kept something so big for so long. Same with the speculation of Derek being bumped off via a "whodunnit". If we don't see the thugs chasing Derek down until right around Xmas, then I personally think that is will what kill him tying in with whatever Max's secret is. Months ago Jo Joyner said there was a huge secret to be revealed that would affect the whole Branning family - as soon as the Lauren/Joey plotline was revealed everyone assumed it's Lauren's paternity but Derek's death as a result of something Max has done also affects them all including Carol, Jack, Alice etc.
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Old 08-11-2012, 14:29
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The only possible thoery that I'd consider is that Lauren may not be Max's child, that Tanya was not sure at the time but kept quiet.
I think there's going to be enough Branning secrets coming out of the closet this Xmas as it is.

Good post BTW
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Old 08-11-2012, 14:54
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I agree with the OP. I don't believe Derek is Lauren's father.
Cousins aren't supposed to marry/have kids anyway so Lauren and Joey shouldn't be a couple.

Derek's past is bound to catch up with him sooner or later but I don't think its got anything to do with Tanya.
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Old 08-11-2012, 15:10
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The only possible thoery that I'd consider is that Lauren may not be Max's child, that Tanya was not sure at the time but kept quiet.
I think there's going to be enough Branning secrets coming out of the closet this Xmas as it is.

Good post BTW
Now this notion is more logical--and it would mean Lauren & Joey are not related. Good one, Vald!
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Old 08-11-2012, 15:15
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The only possible thoery that I'd consider is that Lauren may not be Max's child, that Tanya was not sure at the time but kept quiet.
I think there's going to be enough Branning secrets coming out of the closet this Xmas as it is.

Good post BTW
This would be interesting. When Joey/Lauren is revealed and all hell breaks lose because their cousins etc., Tanya goes of the rails and reveals that Lauren might not be Max's, but someone elses (not Derek or Jack etc.).

The only problem with this is it messes with the whole 'forbidden love' SL which has been built up a lot. Doubt EE would go down that road.
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Old 08-11-2012, 15:15
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Glad to find some agreement! Also, didn't Rainie have a few liaisons with him when he first arrived? Surely it would have all come out then if the rape had occurred.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:09
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OH FFS, HES OBVIOUSLY LAURENS DAD, BECAUSE HIM AND TANYA HAD CHEATED ON MAX. SO CAN THEY JUST EFFING REVEAL IT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE NEEDS BLOODY REVIVING:sleep::sleep::sleep:
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:10
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I’m really hoping that EastEnders don’t go down the Tanya / Derek / Lauren route, although I do have a few sirens going off in my head based on the latest set of released spoilers for week 48, with Derek giving Tanya an ‘ultimatum’ which she takes to protect her daughter and that telling Lauren the truth would have ‘devastating consequences.’

The Friday episode summary states: ‘Lauren discovers that Tanya actually knows where Joey is staying and goes to find him, only to learn that this isn’t the only secret that her mum has been keeping from her.’

I really hope they’re not going down the paternity route with Lauren and Derek.

Like others have said, if Tanya and Derek did get together surely it would’ve been hinted at since his arrival or even earlier with the dynamic between Lauran, Max and Tanya? Since Derek arrived we’ve seen Tanya generally disliking him, but it’s not the actions of a woman who has been raped by said person or has had a child by him. If that was the case she wouldn’t let Derek anywhere near any of them, let alone in her house. She certainly wouldn’t agree to sit around a table and have a drink with him in the pub.

I’m sure it was mentioned somewhere that they hadn’t even met prior to Tanya giving birth to Lauren? (I might have imagined this!!)

If Derek is Lauren’s father, why would Tanya let him anywhere near her? Yes she might not want to rouse suspicion, but surely she wouldn’t take the risk? I guess the only hint has been Tanya trying to drive a wedge between Derek and Alice, but even then it’s more to do with the fact she doesn’t like him as a person as opposed to him being the father of Lauren.

Even if a liaison with Derek was consensual, as others have mentioned, there has been enough bad water between Tanya and Max over the years that if Lauren wasn’t his, she could’ve used this against him. I seem to remember quite clearly when they divorced Max was trying to convince the courts that Tanya was an unfit mother – why didn’t Tanya raise the issue of paternity then?

I fear that making Derek Lauren’s father might be a twist too far for many whose interest in the show is already waning. I know that unless it’s done effectively I will want to switch off (having watched the show since about 1990) and I can imagine others will too. To make an effective plot twist work it needs to fit with the history of the characters involved. I know when Den came back from the dead many questioned it’s plausibility, however it was a conscious decision when he first left to edit the final scenes to not show a body and then to further plant seeds of doubt over the years. They have no planted any of these seeds for Lauren and Derek.

As I’ve said, the current spoilers leave me puzzled. If Derek isn’t Lauren’s father, what possible secret could there be between Tanya and Derek which would have ‘devastating consequences’ for their children?
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:15
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I really don't think EE are going down the Derek/Tanya rape story. Tanya wouldn't let a man who had raped her be so close to her and her family . She also wouldn't take pleasure in winding him up like she does as she'd be too scared.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:17
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OH FFS, HES OBVIOUSLY LAURENS DAD, BECAUSE HIM AND TANYA HAD CHEATED ON MAX. SO CAN THEY JUST EFFING REVEAL IT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE NEEDS BLOODY REVIVING:sleep::sleep::sleep:
Lovely.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:24
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Derek is not Lauren's dad. Max is. If it transpires that he's not, then all this character development between him, Tanya, Lauren and Abi would have been a huge waste of time. As well as being the ultimate pisstake.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:27
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Derek is not Lauren's dad. Max is. If it transpires that he's not, then all this character development between him, Tanya, Lauren and Abi would have been a huge waste of time. As well as being the ultimate pisstake.
Not that EE would care.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:28
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sorry I wasn't shouting at you lot
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:30
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Not that EE would care.
Unfortunately not, they honestly don't seem to care about the viewers at the moment. They change characters to suit the storylines rather than write the storylines around the characters.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:31
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Unfortunately not, they honestly don't seem to care about the viewers at the moment. They change characters to suit the storylines rather than write the storylines around the characters.
Exactamundo.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:38
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OH FFS, HES OBVIOUSLY LAURENS DAD, BECAUSE HIM AND TANYA HAD CHEATED ON MAX. SO CAN THEY JUST EFFING REVEAL IT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE NEEDS BLOODY REVIVING:sleep::sleep::sleep:
This is exactly why I started the thread. Please explain why it's so obvious?
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:39
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Derek is not Lauren's dad. Max is. If it transpires that he's not, then all this character development between him, Tanya, Lauren and Abi would have been a huge waste of time. As well as being the ultimate pisstake.
To be fair max and laurens relationship has always been complex and theres always been a lot of distant between the two. He doesnt show her the same affection he does abi etc so it would make sense but it would have to mean max already knew
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:42
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Friday 30 November
Lauren discovers that Tanya actually knows where Joey is staying and goes to find him, only to learn that this isn’t the only secret that her mum has been keeping from her.

What could this be? It doesn't make any sense for Lauren to be Derek's, but to me that still doesn't rule it out as a possibility. I just don't trust them not to go down this route, plus Jo Joyner said there's a massive secret coming out that will blow the Brannings apart and that fans will be shocked.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:47
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Friday 30 November
Lauren discovers that Tanya actually knows where Joey is staying and goes to find him, only to learn that this isn’t the only secret that her mum has been keeping from her.

What could this be? It doesn't make any sense for Lauren to be Derek's, but to me that still doesn't rule it out as a possibility. I just don't trust them not to go down this route, plus Jo Joyner said there's a massive secret coming out that will blow the Brannings apart and that fans will be shocked.
The section in bold suggests that the secret is something to do with Joey, and where he is hiding, and not anything to do with Derek. Maybe it has links with Cora's storyline?
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:48
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The section in bold suggests that the secret is something to do with Joey, and where he is hiding, and not anything to do with Derek. Maybe it has links with Cora's storyline?
I'd say it is, because

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Old 08-11-2012, 16:56
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I think it's far more likely connected to that other storyline. Lauren saw herself as Tanya's rock for a while, during the cancer scare, and to find out she's kept two things from her will be a big shock.
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