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G4 LOST by MASSIVE Margin !!!
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steve007
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by Gwenllian23:
“That would depend on who they are dialling though Steve If it was for G4's Jon I reckon it could be done in record time .”

Since you love Jon sooooo much I'll allow you some serious dialling pleasure, its on again tonight:

See:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...8&goto=newpost
gemm1
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by steve007:
“Glad you agree.

Who said the situation changed. Isnt it just possible that the voting dried up for G4, whereas support for Steve continued.

No Kate didnt mention the vote being close in the final moments. She simply gave the number of votes as around 8 million.”

ahhh but if as you claim support grew for Steve during the final part of the evening what could have caused this swing do you think? as neither Steve or G4 gave a bad performance on the night-it had to have been something else-another complication=Sharon.

The week before Kate says just a few % between the final three-the final it changes to a runaway win for Steve-.

Make of it what you will-I guess we will never know.It does not matter anyway as long as ITV have been honest.
annabelle
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by gemm1:
“Sorry but I can't agree-if Steve was such a runaway winner then the comments of Louis that week played a part-don't you think.G4 paid a price..

What I am starting to feel pretty strongly about is the comments of Kate during the final.I wish I had a recording of the final for confirmation but surely noone will argue that Kate left the viewers in no doubt that the voting was close
(I'm pretty sure she used the words Neck and Neck at one point)

So
1-Either Kate was telling lies to encourage more votes from viewers-if this is the case shame on ITV.
2-The press release is lies-if this is the case shame on whoever leaked this info as they have told total lies.

I know I said in another thread it does not matter and the final is history..but were lies are concerned I think it does matter.”


I thought that Kate on the night of the final only said it once quite early on.She definately didn't do her " there is only 1% beween them" speel. She did it other weeks but she definately didn't say it anything like as much that night .
DillholeMcGinty
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by gemm1:
“ahhh but if as you claim support grew for Steve during the final part of the evening what could have caused this swing do you think? as neither Steve or G4 gave a bad performance on the night-it had to have been something else-another complication=Sharon.”

maybe you should just accept that G4 came seond and leave it at that, instead of trying to find reasons why your beloved G4 didnt take the top spot.

I suppose it makes you feel better about G4 not winning....
DryHumper
15-12-2004
Well in Kates defence, I wouldn't be so quick to shoot the messenger, if what was being said was a lie. She was probably just saying what was fed to her from the producers. I mean why would they need to tell her the situation? Afterall someone would normally be far more convincing a liar if they don't actually know what they are saying is a lie, so it would make sense to keep her in the dark. I'm sure she would have asked how it was going, but they might not have told her or made some excuse.

If the margin was that wide though, there's no way it would have been down to what Sharon said, no matter how many lines were available to voters.
The Dreaming
15-12-2004
If it wasn't true, I'm pretty sure Louis Walsh would have let us know by now.
baileybots
15-12-2004
Edward Boddington the independant adjudicator said sharons outburst made no difference to the outcome of the results, steve was known to be favorite right from the start
steve007
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by DillholeMcGinty:
“maybe you should just accept that G4 came seond and leave it at that, instead of trying to find reasons why your beloved G4 didnt take the top spot.

I suppose it makes you feel better about G4 not winning....”

Yes its quite irritating at times! Any reason to attribute Steve's win to something other than popularity and quality.

We are supposed to tolerate this rubbish, perhaps I should have tagged the word appreciation on the end of the title...mind we still have certain members throwing their toys out of the pram when the debate gets heated........that says enough I think
DryHumper
15-12-2004
So is it possible that someone could give us a link that works, so we could actually see this fabled press release?
moogester
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by DryHumper:
“So is it possible that someone could give us a link that works, so we could actually see this fabled press release? ”

This is from AOL


Quote:
“Meanwhile, ITV has revealed that Steve won The X Factor with 5.4 million votes to 3.1million for opera quartet G4.

A spokeswoman for the show said Steve won by such a massive margin that Sharon's comments could not have made a difference to the vote.”

They give ITV as the source, if they'd get it second hand, they usually say.
ArtyAttack
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by moogester:
“This is from AOL




They give ITV as the source, if they'd get it second hand, they usually say.”

The quotes used by AOL come from The Sun newspaper.
DryHumper
15-12-2004
Thanksssssss
steve007
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by baileybots:
“Edward Boddington the independant adjudicator said sharons outburst made no difference to the outcome of the results, steve was known to be favorite right from the start”

Exactly right!

Any minute now a G4 supporter will come along and ask for Edward Boddington's home telephone number or address so they can confirm it.
DillholeMcGinty
15-12-2004
pah! what would the independant adjudicator know! he is probably in league with simon cowell and all steve fans to steal all our money !! and stop G4 winning

amd ne way its all speculation because G4 r the best so there

your all jealous of G4 and ne way your bullies

G4 are the real winners ne way b cuz the r soooooooooooooo fit and jon is a cutie lol OMG LOLLERSKATES !!!1 1 1 1 1



yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but...ect
munta
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by DillholeMcGinty:
“pah! what would the independant adjudicator know! he is probably in league with simon cowell and all steve fans to steal all our money !! and stop G4 winning

amd ne way its all speculation because G4 r the best so there

your all jealous of G4 and ne way your bullies

G4 are the real winners ne way b cuz the r soooooooooooooo fit and jon is a cutie lol OMG LOLLERSKATES !!!1 1 1 1 1



yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but...ect”

PMSL
PMSL
steve007
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by DillholeMcGinty:
“pah! what would the independant adjudicator know! he is probably in league with simon cowell and all steve fans to steal all our money !! and stop G4 winning

amd ne way its all speculation because G4 r the best so there

your all jealous of G4 and ne way your bullies

G4 are the real winners ne way b cuz the r soooooooooooooo fit and jon is a cutie lol OMG LOLLERSKATES !!!1 1 1 1 1



yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but...ect”

hahaha now that is very funny, quality

I heard rumours that the adjudicators name was actually Richard Cowell and he was Simons secret brother but had his name changed and Simons company employed him to fix the votes so that spewband and mocaweena would lose and steve fans would bully them........
ditzz
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by moogester:
“This is from AOL




They give ITV as the source, if they'd get it second hand, they usually say.”

...but I am pretty sure that the article I read about G4 and Sony contract came from ITV source as well...
Gwenllian23
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by steve007:
“Since you love Jon sooooo much I'll allow you some serious dialling pleasure, its on again tonight:

See:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...8&goto=newpost”


thanks Steve
DivaLoca
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by ditzz:
“...but I am pretty sure that the article I read about G4 and Sony contract came from ITV source as well... ”

It certainly did
munta
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by ditzz:
“...but I am pretty sure that the article I read about G4 and Sony contract came from ITV source as well... ”

No - the Number of votes came from an ITV source. The contract came from Louis but was reported on the ITV news site.

The ITV source would be someone involved in the production, where as Louis is just bigging up his act (which is his job)
singingmuppet
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by steve007:
“Glad you agree.

Who said the situation changed. Isnt it just possible that the voting dried up for G4, whereas support for Steve continued.

No Kate didnt mention the vote being close in the final moments. She simply gave the number of votes as around 8 million.”

I cannot stress enough that she was still saying this when there were only minutes to go and no I don;t blame her but it was extremely annoying. As a veteran of these shows I have stopped voting because of the blatant manipulating of the GBP, just to part us with our hard earned. All the producers are interested in are the money from votes and quite honestly they don;t care if the artist goes to hell after the first single and album on the back of the show. What is worse with this show is that they didn't even give them an original track to release but have started straight away with covers, music on the cheap for them. I also agree that it doesn't matter how many votes were cast for each, Steve won, I don;t like him but I wasn;t a fan of G4 either .
ZipGypsy
15-12-2004
Why is it so difficult to just accept that Steve won by such a large margin?

G4's style may not (I won't say 'do not', for fear of swoopery) appeal to as many people as Steve...I also think that Tabby's style doesn't appeal as much as Steve's.

Tabby and G4 have genres that are less popular, IMO to a wide TV viewing market. Steve - handsome, nice voice, male, doing sexy soul-ish stuff...why wouldn't he win by an outstanding vote?

I honestly cannot understand why people cannot take themselves out of their own perspectives for a minute and LOOK at what other people may do.

It doesn't matter that G4 can sing 'better' than anyone else, or that Tabby is an outstanding performer. If it's not your thing, then it's not your thing.

Can't people see how Steve IS many people's thing?

It is no shock to me that Steve won - I'm kicking myself for not having put a bet on ages ago
allinuse
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by munta:
“No - the Number of votes came from an ITV source. The contract came from Louis but was reported on the ITV news site.

The ITV source would be someone involved in the production, where as Louis is just bigging up his act (which is his job) ”

Ah But how do you know he was a real ITV source? Did you check his credentials? Did he show you the his secret Team ITV tattoo?
munta
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by allinuse:
“Ah But how do you know he was a real ITV source? Did you check his credentials? Did he show you the his secret Team ITV tattoo? ”

Oh - you think I wrote the article - Thats very kind of you to give me so much importance
allinuse
15-12-2004
Originally Posted by munta:
“Oh - you think I wrote the article - Thats very kind of you to give me so much importance ”

That was you with the tattoo was it - how long was it before you could sit down? I thought the etched downstroke of the T was clever
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