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Old 15-12-2004, 19:44
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Originally Posted by allinuse
Ah But how do you know he was a real ITV source? Did you check his credentials? Did he show you the his secret Team ITV tattoo?
You know that would be hard to turn into BBC if he switched sides
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Old 15-12-2004, 19:59
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Originally Posted by ZipGypsy
Why is it so difficult to just accept that Steve won by such a large margin?
It isn't - it happened, accepted and forgotten about
G4's style may not (I won't say 'do not', for fear of swoopery) appeal to as many people as Steve...I also think that Tabby's style doesn't appeal as much as Steve's.
Again, agreed - if everyone liked the same music, there would be a lot of empty racks at Tower Records

Tabby and G4 have genres that are less popular, IMO to a wide TV viewing market. Steve - handsome, nice voice, male, doing sexy soul-ish stuff...why wouldn't he win by an outstanding vote?
Oh no....don't start me on about Magnolia again - no offense to anyone with magnolia walls - just not my taste

I honestly cannot understand why people cannot take themselves out of their own perspectives for a minute and LOOK at what other people may do.

It doesn't matter that G4 can sing 'better' than anyone else, or that Tabby is an outstanding performer. If it's not your thing, then it's not your thing.

Can't people see how Steve IS many people's thing?
I can - can't speak for anyone else.

I realise this post is pretty pointless, I really just wanted to challenge the generalisation that any of us for whom Steve was not our favourite act are somehow sore losers. For me, the opportunity to see an act so clearly out of kilter with the majority opinion of the GBP progress as far as they did in the competition was the major highlight of all the RTV talent comps we've had to sit through in the last couple of years

The fact that they finished 2nd with over 1/3 of the public vote on the night was a pretty amazing result for a group who only appeal to a minority of the public - I'm sure the LibDems will settle for that one next election

No act's better or worse, just different. I wish Steve all the best for his future career and the same to G4 and sincerely hope I will not be denied the opportunity to hear the music I enjoyed so much in the future simply because I wasn't in the majority

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Old 16-12-2004, 00:40
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tbh (to be honest) the fact that Steve won with such a majority of votes is no surprise.

methinks fans of other acts protest too much
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Old 16-12-2004, 00:45
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Originally Posted by shell1981
Look on the sharons comments wouldnt have made a difference thread!
Perhaps Sharon's reactions were due to knowing the current status of votes ....

... and Queen Sharon was not amused (diva that she is)
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Old 16-12-2004, 01:07
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Originally Posted by DivaLoca
The fact that they finished 2nd with over 1/3 of the public vote on the night was a pretty amazing result for a group who only appeal to a minority of the public - I'm sure the LibDems will settle for that one next election

DL
Whats so amazing about it?? Am I missing something?! Minority is the lesser of two 1/2's that make up a whole. Steve got almost DOUBLE the votes they did - now that IS amazing. The Lib Dems want to win not lose or just do OK.

Basically whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winnning......
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Old 16-12-2004, 05:50
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Whats so amazing about it?? Am I missing something?! Minority is the lesser of two 1/2's that make up a whole. Steve got almost DOUBLE the votes they did - now that IS amazing. The Lib Dems want to win not lose or just do OK.

Basically whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winnning......
Still don't mean he's much cop at singing, though.
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Old 16-12-2004, 08:32
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Originally Posted by Johnny English
Still don't mean he's much cop at singing, though.
.......priceless
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Old 16-12-2004, 08:48
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Originally Posted by tomorrow
tbh (to be honest) the fact that Steve won with such a majority of votes is no surprise.

methinks fans of other acts protest too much
yes i do agree with you on this
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:22
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Kate, from my recollection, only said the voting was close once – and that was early on in the proceeding. She definitely didn't do her normal spiel of “It IS very close” & only “1%” divides them, which she had done, and played on - in previous weeks. At no point (apart from early on), did she give any indication that it was a close final - quite the opposite in fact. IMO, the final had an air of inevitability about it, and Sharon and Louis seemed bitterly defeated from the outset probably knowing Steve would be crowned the winner.

As for Mrs Osborne’s acidic & calculated outburst – nothing more than an obvious scuppering exercise to ruin Steve’s career/reputation before it's got off the ground.
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:27
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Kate, from my recollection, only said the voting was close once – and that was early on in the proceeding. She definitely didn't do her normal spiel of “It IS very close” & only “1%” divides them, which she had done, and played on - in previous weeks. At no point (apart from early on), did she give any indication that it was a close final - quite the opposite in fact. IMO, the final had an air of inevitability about it, and Sharon and Louis seemed bitterly defeated from the outset probably knowing Steve would be crowned the winner.

As for Mrs Osborne’s acidic & calculated outburst – nothing more than an obvious scuppering exercise to ruin Steve’s career/reputation before it's got off the ground.
I watched the repeat last night ,And she said *all* the way though it was very close /neck and neck etc right up to the end

Now to me it does not matter as I can see it brings tension to the show But I know lot of people think its dishonest
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Code Y
At no point (apart from early on), did she give any indication that it was a close final - quite the opposite in fact.
Yes, she did, when she was speaking to G4 and showing them their family messages the first thing she said was:

''I have a voting update...it's close".

This was just before the 3rd song (which i don't class as early on).

Ultimately, G4 lost the final, Steve won, quite frankly it could by 1 vote or 10 million votes, i wouldn't care, and why there is all this fuss is beyond me....
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:42
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Originally Posted by kizzie
I watched the repeat last night ,And she said *all* the way though it was very close /neck and neck etc right up to the end

Now to me it does not matter as I can see it brings tension to the show But I know lot of people think its dishonest
Over recent weeks I must've become immune to Kate's "drama" statements to camera, as I didn't notice any 'overplay' of tension/closeness of the vote. Either that, or I had too much wine.

Thanks for your clarification anyway.
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:49
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Originally Posted by pennycandle
.......priceless
So insults at Steve are OK but NOT at G4?

Seems we have some double standards happening on this forum......
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:54
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Shhhhhh steve, that's bullying.
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:56
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Why can't people just accept that steve won? Even if it was only by one vote he would still be the winner!

And on these shows they always say the voting is close to get more people to vote and more money!
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Old 16-12-2004, 10:59
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Over recent weeks I must've become immune to Kate's "drama" statements to camera, as I didn't notice any 'overplay' of tension/closeness of the vote. Either that, or I had too much wine.

Thanks for your clarification anyway.
Well I don't take to much noticed of the neck and neck type comment IMO to say to them and us that one act was "Way ahead" would be more
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Old 16-12-2004, 11:22
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Votes do not matter now, only for the pocket of SICO TV and Profits, is is the Proof in The Pudding, who sells Albums, Mr Cowell said WILL YOUNG would not be as succesful as Gareth Gates ?????

Time only will tell, between Steve and G4 - but I know who my money is on, and it is safe!!

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Old 16-12-2004, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Muggsy
Shhhhhh steve, that's bullying.
Damn...yes of course you are right....I must be careful or someone will be crying again
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Old 16-12-2004, 11:32
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Originally Posted by steve007
Damn...yes of course you are right....I must be careful or someone will be crying again
we dont want a repeat of the othe night , do we?
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Old 16-12-2004, 11:53
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Originally Posted by baileybots
we dont want a repeat of the othe night , do we?
That all depends....
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Old 16-12-2004, 11:54
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Originally Posted by angelac
Yes, she did, when she was speaking to G4 and showing them their family messages the first thing she said was:

''I have a voting update...it's close".

This was just before the 3rd song (which i don't class as early on).

Ultimately, G4 lost the final, Steve won, quite frankly it could by 1 vote or 10 million votes, i wouldn't care, and why there is all this fuss is beyond me....
I agree Angela

She also said it was close after they had both sung their third song. I don't think this should have been said if it wasn't the case. She should have said nothing rather than mislead the public.

All water under the bridge now - Its what happens from now on that counts

Time will tell who is more successful

We'll have to wait and see but I hope they both do well
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Old 16-12-2004, 11:58
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Originally Posted by DenJ
She should have said nothing rather than mislead the public.

We'll have to wait and see but I hope they both do well
Who says she mislead anyone?!

As I said before, with 25,000 lines things can change dramatically in just a few minutes!

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Old 16-12-2004, 12:00
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Ultimately, G4 lost the final, Steve won, quite frankly it could by 1 vote or 10 million votes, i wouldn't care, and why there is all this fuss is beyond me....
Well, because it's dishonest, and frankly it feels to me like verging on con artistry, it's misleading the public with the main motive of getting them to part with their cash. Yes, I'm sure they'd argue the only reason they'd do it is to increase the drama, but I don't believe that, and I doubt many other people would.

It's like someone selling saying to a potiential buyer (of whatever), "buy this mate, it's an an absolute bargain", when the seller fully knows that he/she is selling it at twice the price of anyone else. It's dishonesty to make a bigger profit.

In fact I think theres a strong case for a complaint to the ITC or Ofcon (or whatever it is these days) over it. In fact I think there should be stricter rules over what reality tv shows and their voting systems. Either we should be able to see the voting percentages as they happen, or alteratively there should be a rule that they are not allowed to make comment on how close the voting is, only how many votes have been cast, if we are so blatantly going to be deceived otherwise. I suspect the shows would prefer the latter, as not knowing the percentages would make fans less likely to give up on their hero(s), and allow for the odd "accidental" slip, but not such blatant BS (as Sharon would probably say ).

To me, the current rules are unacceptably lax and open to abuse.
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Old 16-12-2004, 12:06
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Originally Posted by DryHumper
Well, because it's dishonest.................................
It's like someone selling saying to a potiential buyer (of whatever), "buy this mate, it's an an absolute bargain", when the seller fully knows that he/she is selling it at twice the price of anyone else. It's dishonesty to make a bigger profit.

In fact I think theres a strong case for a complaint to the ITC or Ofcon

To me, the current rules are unacceptably lax and open to abuse.
Reply as my post number 122. 25,000 lines - things change very quickly.

People can be smart and vote just once. That way, nothing that Kate says can affect your finances.

Anyone who watches the x factor and thinks it isnt about making lots of money is dreaming.....
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Old 16-12-2004, 12:06
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Originally Posted by DryHumper
Well, because it's dishonest, and frankly it feels to me like verging on con artistry, it's misleading the public with the main motive of getting them to part with their cash. Yes, I'm sure they'd argue the only reason they'd do it is to increase the drama, but I don't believe that, and I doubt many other people would.

It's like someone selling saying to a potiential buyer (of whatever), "buy this mate, it's an an absolute bargain", when the seller fully knows that he/she is selling it at twice the price of anyone else. It's dishonesty to make a bigger profit.

In fact I think theres a strong case for a complaint to the ITC or Ofcon (or whatever it is these days) over it. In fact I think there should be stricter rules over what reality tv shows and their voting systems. Either we should be able to see the voting percentages as they happen, or alteratively there should be a rule that they are not allowed to make comment on how close the voting is, only how many votes have been cast, if we are so blatantly going to be deceived otherwise. I suspect the shows would prefer the latter, as not knowing the percentages would make fans less likely to give up on their hero, and allow for the odd "accidental" slip, but not such blatant BS (as Sharon would probably say ).

To me, the current rules are unacceptably lax and open to abuse.
I meant i can't see what the fuss is about regarding how many votes Steve won by - the point of this thread.

Yes, i can see it is misleading, but i voted loads for G4 off my own back - at the time it was she was saying it was close, but i am not stupid and am well aware these shows do this to add to the drama.

Who knows if she had said there is a runaway leader if i still would have voted, and without getting offical confirmation of the voting levels each time she said "it's close", we will never be able to answer anything.

I think people need to take a modicum of responsibility for their own voting and acknowledge that these shows are all about telephone revenues and they are going to want to maximise that- otherwise why not have one vote per person only - the only TRUELY fair way to decide a talent contest. After all, i voted multiple times but am only ever going to buy one single or one album.

The voting % have not yet been confirmed in anywhere other than the Sun - i myself am still waiting for an official release to be published in more places than just one tabloid.
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