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Old 11-11-2012, 22:09
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and just let the judges vote.

The judges are supposed to vote based on the sing off but they rarely do.

Tulisa is the worst offender

What's the point.
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Old 11-11-2012, 22:13
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I agree, it's just a total waste of time, results programme could be done and dusted in about 10 mins
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Old 11-11-2012, 22:16
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I agree, it's just a total waste of time, results programme could be done and dusted in about 10 mins
It is done in 10 mins for me. V+ all the way.
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Old 11-11-2012, 22:19
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Agree, it's pointless.
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Old 11-11-2012, 22:37
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It does have a use to be fair. After a bad saturday they have a chance to redeem themselves.

we wouldn`t have got to hear Rylan & Kyes best performances if they didnt have it.

It also gave jade etc a chance to show their voices off one last time.
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Old 11-11-2012, 22:59
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I'd take a different approach. The judging of the sing-offs is pointless, but the sing-offs themselves, and the contestants' belief that it could be their last performance, seems to bring out the best in most of them.

A typical X Factor show features rehearsed performances, everything choreographed and timed to the second, and are mainly about technical abilities, unless you have a James getting lost in a song, giving it his all singing No More Drama. But when it's a sing-off it's all about the emotions for all of them, and that makes for much more vital television viewing.

I think Sundays should become the main show, with Saturday's performances merely a sample to set up the actual bottom 2. On an extended Sunday show they all get locked in individual sound booths which only Dermot can communicate with, and they are brought out in pairs (and maybe one threesome if an odd number's left) and they then compete in a 'bottom 2' without knowing if it's for real or not. Dermot and the judges have no idea either so the entire atmosphere is that anyone could go, and the viewer gets the drama many times over. Each pairing competes and then the real bottom 2 is announced at the end of the show.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:31
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It does have a use to be fair. After a bad saturday they have a chance to redeem themselves.
No they don't because the judges rarely vote accordingy to the qualitity of the sing off. If Tuiisa doesn't relate to you, you may as well not have bothered
we wouldn`t have got to hear Rylan & Kyes best performances if they didnt have it.
But Kye beat him hands down and still went home
It also gave jade etc a chance to show their voices off one last time.
The only relevant point. Far better to let the loser sing again.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:42
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Adds a bit of drama. The Voice seemed really weird without it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:45
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It's a complete waste of time. It was hilarious to hear Barlow saying he thought District 3 would win the sing-off when he had decided he was putting Union J through before a single note was sung.

Jade going out in the sing-off was an absolute disgrace and summed all the judges up completely. They already know who they're voting for, in fact they don't even need to hear the main live performances. It's all tactical.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:45
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Adds a bit of drama. The Voice seemed really weird without it.
The voice seemed really weird when they had two acts singing 'at' each other. A completely confused mess. I couldn't believe what I was listening to lol.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:51
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I know it's pantomime, but still enjoy the tension of it.

TBH, the competent boyband could have wiped the floor with the pretty boyband, but the competent ones were going home before they sung the first note.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:56
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I know it's pantomime, but still enjoy the tension of it.

TBH, the competent boyband could have wiped the floor with the pretty boyband, but the competent ones were going home before they sung the first note.
They were the same against Jade. Really disheartened and sounded absolutely awful but still went through. Never going to happen against the judge's predetermined fave boy band.

District 3 have soul and a bit of passion. Terrible stuff for a boy band. Bland and twee and lacking any vague semblance of personality is the name of the game here. That's what Barlow was looking for.
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Old 12-11-2012, 00:57
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Jade going out in the sing-off was an absolute disgrace and summed all the judges up completely. They already know who they're voting for, in fact they don't even need to hear the main live performances. It's all tactical.

The hand of Cowell and the producers are behind this - they know who Cowell wants to win and the judges vote accordingly. Barlow probably gets his own way - and the others votes are adjusted accordingly.

I note Christopher was on first last night - expect early slots for him next week too (as they always do to the person who is getting too many votes but they have decided they don't want to win - as per Janet last year and Mary Byrne before that).

The sing off is a nice chance for the act going home to sell themselves to potential record companies. Its for the acts - it doesn't affect the votes and never has done!

The only thing not rigged about this show is the public vote.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:09
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The hand of Cowell and the producers are behind this - they know who Cowell wants to win and the judges vote accordingly. Barlow probably gets his own way - and the others votes are adjusted accordingly.

I note Christopher was on first last night - expect early slots for him next week too (as they always do to the person who is getting too many votes but they have decided they don't want to win - as per Janet last year and Mary Byrne before that).

The sing off is a nice chance for the act going home to sell themselves to potential record companies. Its for the acts - it doesn't affect the votes and never has done!

The only thing not rigged about this show is the public vote.
There's logic at work here but that's far too cynical for even me to believe.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:14
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There's logic at work here but that's far too cynical for even me to believe.
So you don't think there is something rather nasty and unpleasant going on. We now have Little Mix being wheeled out by those behind the show to slag off Christopher Maloney.

Do you really think Little Mix made those comments off the cuff/voluntarily - its all placed by those behind the show.#

Its just plain nasty!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...r-maloney.html
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:18
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So you don't think there is something rather nasty and unpleasant going on. We now have Little Mix being wheeled out by those behind the show to slag off Christopher Maloney.

Do you really think Little Mix made those comments off the cuff/voluntarily - its all placed by those behind the show.#

Its just plain nasty!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...r-maloney.html
Mate, I don't think Little Mix are in any position to slag anyone off lol. They were utterly absymal tonight.

Not quite as bad as Maloney but there wasn't much in it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:24
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I think they need to get rid of Tulisa. All she says is relate to her as if that is a fair and balanced way to judge an act. She is just a very poor judge on this show. If Simon Cowell wants to get this show to the top again in the ratings, he needs to do something with the bland and almost scripted lines (I don't know if they are or not) and get people in who will say something a bit different each night and not base their decisions on "relating" to an act. It is not right.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:25
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I note Christopher was on first last night - expect early slots for him next week too (as they always do to the person who is getting too many votes but they have decided they don't want to win - as per Janet last year and Mary Byrne before that).
There's little to suggest that the opening slot is particularly disadvantaged these days with the lines open from the start.

So you don't think there is something rather nasty and unpleasant going on. We now have Little Mix being wheeled out by those behind the show to slag off Christopher Maloney.

Do you really think Little Mix made those comments off the cuff/voluntarily - its all placed by those behind the show.#

Its just plain nasty!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...r-maloney.html
It's too soon, they'll not let him go yet. Rylan is still in the show for crying out loud! He's the divisive contestant this year and they're using him for publicity.

Every year we get the same theories about how, for weeks on end, they're supposedly trying to get rid of a given act. And yet every year, when the act does go, it's because everything goes quiet.

Even if he were winning the vote just now, there's no reason why they'd be concerned. He's too divisive to win. When it comes to the final you need to have broad appeal to pick up first time voters and those whose favourites have gone. MOR sorts like Ella and Jahmene will win.

As for what Little Mix have said, it seems entirely likely that they'd think that. It's not an uncommon opinion in my experience.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:25
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I think they need to get rid of Tulisa. All she says is relate to her as if that is a fair and balanced way to judge an act. She is just a very poor judge on this show. If Simon Cowell wants to get this show to the top again in the ratings, he needs to do something with the bland and almost scripted lines (I don't know if they are or not) and get people in who will say something a bit different each night and not base their decisions on "relating" to an act. It is not right.
I love Tulisa. I think her remarks are usually spot on, and surprisingly show some intelligence.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:30
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I love Tulisa. I think her remarks are usually spot on, and surprisingly show some intelligence.
I disagree. A lot of what she says is just bland scripted stuff basically. Judging an act by saying "I just can't relate to this act" is just pathetic and a real cop out. Judge it on who put in the best performance and vocal performance.

She would have saved the truly dreadful MK1 if she had her way. Not fit to judge.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:39
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The voting should be down to the public only, not the judges. We pay to vote so the bottom two should be the ones with the least votes one act goes home no sing off's. How many in the bottom two have had the one with the least votes stay, because the judges decide ? If they want the judges choice to stay dont ask the GBP to vote.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:12
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I disagree. A lot of what she says is just bland scripted stuff basically. Judging an act by saying "I just can't relate to this act" is just pathetic and a real cop out. Judge it on who put in the best performance and vocal performance.
Well summed up.

They now don't even pretend to make decisions based on the sing off.

NB. I did think that District 3 were worse in the sing off
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:12
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The voting should be down to the public only, not the judges. We pay to vote so the bottom two should be the ones with the least votes one act goes home no sing off's. How many in the bottom two have had the one with the least votes stay, because the judges decide ? If they want the judges choice to stay dont ask the GBP to vote.
The sing-off is one of the differences XF had to have from Pop Idol legally to differ so there is no way to have it down to the public only unless they allow the public to vote on the sing-off, but that isn't plausible because then not many people would vote on Saturday because they could wait until Sunday to see if their favourite act is in the bottom 2 then vote then.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:16
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I disagree. A lot of what she says is just bland scripted stuff basically. Judging an act by saying "I just can't relate to this act" is just pathetic and a real cop out. Judge it on who put in the best performance and vocal performance.

She would have saved the truly dreadful MK1 if she had her way. Not fit to judge.
Okay name one judge who has kept an act in based on the sing-off. None of them have.

Melanie and Jade were voted out by judges who were terrified their acts would come up against them. Tactical. No interest at all in bringing great singers to the music industry, just saving face and acting in the best interest of their own acts no matter how awful they may be.

Barlow's hilarious defence of the orange oompah loompah is a perfect example.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:34
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The voting should be down to the public only, not the judges. We pay to vote so the bottom two should be the ones with the least votes one act goes home no sing off's. .
Then youd get people complaining better singers were going they cant win.


Even if he were winning the vote just now, there's no reason why they'd be concerned. He's too divisive to win. When it comes to the final you need to have broad appeal to pick up first time voters and those whose favourites have gone. MOR sorts like Ella and Jahmene will win.
Totally agree he is to much of a love him or hate him to win Look at eoghan quigg. If voting leaks are True Jahmene will win this.
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