DS Forums

 
 

Quite sad that "current" has more credence to yoof than say The Beatles/Stones


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-11-2012, 18:21
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349

By current I am going by the 'urban' myth/legend of Tulisa
Yep N-Dubz and dubstep (or whatever garbage you call it, although thats doing an inservice to a top band in Garbage) and any other tripe that has a 2-3 year shelf life is obviously of greater musical note than bands which have stood the test of time with quality, individualistic (per band per se) popular music....
Am not an Elton John fan so much, but I can appreciate some top tunes he has written, and old Faggie came across as treating him with a rather bit of disdain on sat night with her Chris comments. Those that can't see that fact need to open their eyes.
Seriously, do people actually value the opinions of her?

I couldn't give two monkeys who wins this sham of a contest (although I backe Chris and Rylan at big odds so I hope one of them do I suppose). Just can't abide the dumb British public who fall for this nonsense, and think that Tulisa has an expert opinion to judge (same goes for Louis for that matter, Westlife and Boyzone were an embarrassment to the music industry for many years, at least Barlow can write a decent pop song, and Nicole can give me a lap dance any time...). Worse thing is that some people think Simon Cowell is some talent spotting legend who is of some significance to the music industry. Wasn't he Mr Blobby (or was it Teletubbies) and Robson/Jerome...?

Urban= Jeremy Kyle watchers who can't string a sentence together without it being comprised of a combination of illiterate text speak nonsense.

Last edited by satanicseranade : 12-11-2012 at 18:21. Reason: Spelling
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 12-11-2012, 18:32
Michelle32
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,636
By current I am going by the 'urban' myth/legend of Tulisa
Yep N-Dubz and dubstep (or whatever garbage you call it, although thats doing an inservice to a top band in Garbage) and any other tripe that has a 2-3 year shelf life is obviously of greater musical note than bands which have stood the test of time with quality, individualistic (per band per se) popular music....
Am not an Elton John fan so much, but I can appreciate some top tunes he has written, and old Faggie came across as treating him with a rather bit of disdain on sat night with her Chris comments. Those that can't see that fact need to open their eyes.
Seriously, do people actually value the opinions of her?

I couldn't give two monkeys who wins this sham of a contest (although I backe Chris and Rylan at big odds so I hope one of them do I suppose). Just can't abide the dumb British public who fall for this nonsense, and think that Tulisa has an expert opinion to judge (same goes for Louis for that matter, Westlife and Boyzone were an embarrassment to the music industry for many years, at least Barlow can write a decent pop song, and Nicole can give me a lap dance any time...). Worse thing is that some people think Simon Cowell is some talent spotting legend who is of some significance to the music industry. Wasn't he Mr Blobby (or was it Teletubbies) and Robson/Jerome...?

Urban= Jeremy Kyle watchers who can't string a sentence together without it being comprised of a combination of illiterate text speak nonsense.
I dont think she has been around enough or had enough experience to comment.

In my opinion Simon Cowell is only interested in making money from these acts - I am not sure myself where music quality fits in. I think the same can be said for a number of music labels, unfortunately. I personally think that despite the advances in musical technology, real talent and quality is going backwards.
Michelle32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 18:35
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
I dont think she has been around enough or had enough experience to comment.

In my opinion Simon Cowell is only interested in making money from these acts - I am not sure myself where music quality fits in. I think the same can be said for a number of music labels, unfortunately. I personally think that despite the advances in musical technology, real talent and quality is going backwards.
That's one of my points. Why is she there as a music judge/critique when all she knows is trash tunes?
Yes of course Cowell only is in it for the money, we do live in a capitalistic society after all! My point re him was that some think otherwise (especially those that go on about bringing him back to 'save the show'!!)
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 18:46
Beverast
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 157
Worse thing is that some people think Simon Cowell is some talent spotting legend who is of some significance to the music industry. Wasn't he Mr Blobby (or was it Teletubbies) and Robson/Jerome...?
Simon Cowell is 100% pure businessman. People can say what they want about him, but the man is loaded. Take One Direction as an example...good looking guys with very average vocals and little charisma. The amount of money Cowell must have spent on marketing these guys would have been atronomical. He is shrewd, ruthless, but spots an opportunity when her sees one. You don't have to be a "talent spotting legend"...you just need big money and be willing to take a controlled risk. The marketing team will do the rest.

As much as it pains me to say this X-Factor UK has never been the same without him on it. Just my opinion of course.

Regarding Tulisa and Ndubs I cannot really comment...I listen to metal mainly, but X-Factor has always been a "guilty pleasure". All I can say is that I was privileged to have been brought up on an era of quality music where musicianship was of a high standard eg. Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Yes, Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, King Crimson etc etc. Personally I think that X-Factor should be scrapped and there should be something like "Band Factor" where we get to see up and coming real live bands. At least then we would hopefully get a chance to see some decent musicianship and diverse styles of music, instead of the same old boring, generic songs.
Beverast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 18:52
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
Simon Cowell is 100% pure businessman. People can say what they want about him, but the man is loaded. Take One Direction as an example...good looking guys with very average vocals and little charisma. The amount of money Cowell must have spent on marketing these guys would have been atronomical. He is shrewd, ruthless, but spots an opportunity when her sees one. You don't have to be a "talent spotting legend"...you just need big money and be willing to take a controlled risk. The marketing team will do the rest.

As much as it pains me to say this X-Factor UK has never been the same without him on it. Just my opinion of course.

Regarding Tulisa and Ndubs I cannot really comment...I listen to metal mainly, but X-Factor has always been a "guilty pleasure". All I can say is that I was privileged to have been brought up on an era of quality music where musicianship was of a high standard eg. Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Yes, Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, King Crimson etc etc. Personally I think that X-Factor should be scrapped and there should be something like "Band Factor" where we get to see up and coming real live bands. At least then we would hopefully get a chance to see some decent musicianship and diverse styles of music, instead of the same old boring, generic songs.
Metal fan watching X factor as a guilty sado masochistic pleasure???
I thought I was the only one, grew up listening and going to see Maiden, Metallica, Slayer etc etc! Heheh!
Agree with your sentiments, and as a businessman, he ha my respect. However I am not arguing against that. Am talking about the imbeciles (and there are plenty) who think he is more than just a businessman...
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 18:55
Amaretto2
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: London
Posts: 2,562
The obsession with what is "current" means that 90% of artists today have one hit album and then flop endlessly after that- I doubt any of today's stars will be remembered in 5 years time. It's one temporary fad after another-usually decided by faceless suits and pretentious Radio DJs.
Amaretto2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 18:55
Michelle32
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,636
Simon Cowell is 100% pure businessman. People can say what they want about him, but the man is loaded. Take One Direction as an example...good looking guys with very average vocals and little charisma. The amount of money Cowell must have spent on marketing these guys would have been atronomical. He is shrewd, ruthless, but spots an opportunity when her sees one. You don't have to be a "talent spotting legend"...you just need big money and be willing to take a controlled risk. The marketing team will do the rest.

As much as it pains me to say this X-Factor UK has never been the same without him on it. Just my opinion of course.

Regarding Tulisa and Ndubs I cannot really comment...I listen to metal mainly, but X-Factor has always been a "guilty pleasure". All I can say is that I was privileged to have been brought up on an era of quality music where musicianship was of a high standard eg. Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Yes, Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, King Crimson etc etc. Personally I think that X-Factor should be scrapped and there should be something like "Band Factor" where we get to see up and coming real live bands. At least then we would hopefully get a chance to see some decent musicianship and diverse styles of music, instead of the same old boring, generic songs.
Must admit I never got into metal.

But I always liked dance music and therefore Disco, and even if you did not like that kind of music, the music quality from about 1975 to 1985 is a stratosphere away in terms of quality than what is around today. That is why current artists are using riffs and songs regularly in their songs, because they were so much better. Like you I was lucky to be around at that time in my teens, and although I still follow music and the charts it is all becoming samey and disappointing. Big business and music stations selection criteria, I reckon, are a lot to blame.
Michelle32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:01
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
Must admit I never got into metal.

But I always liked dance music and therefore Disco, and even if you did not like that kind of music, the music quality from about 1975 to 1985 is a stratosphere away in terms of quality than what is around today. That is why current artists are using riffs and songs regularly in their songs, because they were so much better. Like you I was lucky to be around at that time in my teens, and although I still follow music and the charts it is all becoming samey and disappointing. Big business and music stations selection criteria, I reckon, are a lot to blame.
Even though I am a rock and metal fan at heart I still love 70s/80s funk/disco. Kc sunshine band/average white band/kool and kang/freeeze to name a few. Puts current 'dance' genres to shame really, bar The prodigy/chemical brothers (fan of both especially earlier stuff in the last 20 odd years I'd say), and even Mondays/Roses in pseudo dance way.
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:10
Boselecta
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,612
Can't remember the year, might have been turn of the millenium, but The Sun ran a huge poll to identify top 500 tunes of all times. Say what you like about The Sun but with 4 million readers any poll would be pretty big and wide-ranging. Anyway, near the vtop and amongst the likes of Bohemian Rhapsody and Imagine was "Flava" by Peter Andre. This steaming turd of a song had been a hit some months earlier and thus I presume many impressionable little poppets really did believe that was the best song ever and voted accordingly. I'm sure if you today re-visited all the people who voted Flava as the best song ever they'd never in a million years say Flava and would unlikely put it in their own Top 500.
This sums up the the problem for Xfactor... it has to cater for everyone including people who genuinely think that One Direction, JLS, Ndubz, Ollie Murs etc etc make the best music ever and think that stuff predating 2005 is old and boring.
Boselecta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:12
sjp07
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,076
In the same token, I find it sad that anything new or popular is automatically labeled shit by a lot of people because it isn't the beatles or the stones. I find that happens a lot more in actuality than the other.
sjp07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:12
Michelle32
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,636
Even though I am a rock and metal fan at heart I still love 70s/80s funk/disco. Kc sunshine band/average white band/kool and kang/freeeze to name a few. Puts current 'dance' genres to shame really, bar The prodigy/chemical brothers (fan of both especially earlier stuff in the last 20 odd years I'd say), and even Mondays/Roses in pseudo dance way.
Totally agree 100%.

Trouble is that a lot of dance music is produced by DJs these days, and a lot of them cant play any instruments - David Guetta, for example.
Michelle32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:16
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
In the same token, I find it sad that anything new or popular is automatically labeled shit by a lot of people because it isn't the beatles or the stones. I find that happens a lot more in actuality than the other.
Not automatically
Think Kasabian are one of the best bands to come out of these shores for many a year. Serge is a legend, and the Leicester lads for me have produced better tunes than say Oasis did.
But en masse, then yep, current urban tripe is just that, tripe
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:16
_elly001
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,622
Threads like this do make me laugh. Fans of 'real' music showing as much prejudice towards current, popular music as you apparently perceive people like Tulisa and Simon to show towards anything pre-2009.

There is no superior era or taste when it comes to music. There also needs to be a balanced variety of opinion on the judging panel to reflect a variety of values. Stop trying to circle jerk each other with how much better you can discuss music than Tulisa and people like her in the industry.
_elly001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:24
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
Threads like this do make me laugh. Fans of 'real' music showing as much prejudice towards current, popular music as you apparently perceive people like Tulisa and Simon to show towards anything pre-2009.

There is no superior era or taste when it comes to music. There also needs to be a balanced variety of opinion on the judging panel to reflect a variety of values. Stop trying to circle jerk each other with how much better you can discuss music than Tulisa and people like her in the industry.
Cycle jerk no. Music wise Tulisa/Simon have added nothing of note to the music industry. And never will.
Barlow I can tolerate, because despite not being a fan, can appreciate that in terms of pop music, he has written some decent tunes with take that.
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:24
twingle
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 16,266
In the same token, I find it sad that anything new or popular is automatically labeled shit by a lot of people because it isn't the beatles or the stones. I find that happens a lot more in actuality than the other.
Spot on and at my age I should be part of the whinging old fart brigade........music ain't what it woz
twingle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:26
Michelle32
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,636
Threads like this do make me laugh. Fans of 'real' music showing as much prejudice towards current, popular music as you apparently perceive people like Tulisa and Simon to show towards anything pre-2009.

There is no superior era or taste when it comes to music. There also needs to be a balanced variety of opinion on the judging panel to reflect a variety of values. Stop trying to circle jerk each other with how much better you can discuss music than Tulisa and people like her in the industry.
I think your missing the point somewhat. I still listen a lot to music, and am well aware what is about at the moment. I'm not saying that anything is 'real' music - all I am saying is that despite modern technology advances I reckon the standard has declined and I think a lot of it has to with the image over quality. I quite like R&B, but it just seems that every artist that comes out looks and sounds exactly like the previous one. I just think it is a shame - and maybe the reason that people go overboard when a new artist like Jake Bugg can produce something different from the rest of the fodder (and by the way I am not particularly a fan of his).
Michelle32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:27
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
Spot on and at my age I should be part of the whinging old fart brigade........music ain't what it woz
Listen to your elders they know best
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:29
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
I think your missing the point somewhat. I still listen a lot to music, and am well aware what is about at the moment. I'm not saying that anything is 'real' music - all I am saying is that despite modern technology advances I reckon the standard has declined and I think a lot of it has to with the image over quality. I quite like R&B, but it just seems that every artist that comes out looks and sounds exactly like the previous one. I just think it is a shame - and maybe the reason that people go overboard when a new artist like Jake Bugg can produce something different from the rest of the fodder (and by the way I am not particularly a fan of his).
RnB
People forget Rhythm n Blues...!! Didn't mean you I must add!
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:29
Michelle32
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,636
And I think Cowell and the clones that he produces are part of the problem ... a dumbing down of music.
Michelle32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:29
sjp07
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,076
Spot on and at my age I should be part of the whinging old fart brigade........music ain't what it woz
And I should hate everything made before the 90s when in reality my iPod is a pretty decent mixture of before and after.
sjp07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:32
satanicseranade
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 349
And I think Cowell and the clones that he produces are part of the problem ... a dumbing down of music.
Exactly.
satanicseranade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:32
Michelle32
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,636
And I should hate everything made before the 90s when in reality my iPod is a pretty decent mixture of before and after.
I'm glad - mine has music on it from about 1975 to 2012.
Michelle32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:35
_elly001
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,622
Cycle jerk no. Music wise Tulisa/Simon have added nothing of note to the music industry. And never will.
Barlow I can tolerate, because despite not being a fan, can appreciate that in terms of pop music, he has written some decent tunes with take that.
They have added nothing of note to your definition of how the music industry should be, but the wonderful thing about music is that it it is limitless, ever-moving, and constantly re-defining itself. And there is plenty enough to go round for everyone. You are the one dismissing things I'd warrant you haven't even heard, much like Tulisa apparently does. The difference between Tulisa and her critics, though, is she has achieved success in this industry, whilst they're sat on the Internet bemoaning her for it.
_elly001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:48
_elly001
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,622
I think your missing the point somewhat. I still listen a lot to music, and am well aware what is about at the moment. I'm not saying that anything is 'real' music - all I am saying is that despite modern technology advances I reckon the standard has declined and I think a lot of it has to with the image over quality. I quite like R&B, but it just seems that every artist that comes out looks and sounds exactly like the previous one. I just think it is a shame - and maybe the reason that people go overboard when a new artist like Jake Bugg can produce something different from the rest of the fodder (and by the way I am not particularly a fan of his).
I don't think I'm missing the point. Music quality hasn't gone down, it's just evolved, and there is still plenty of quality music being made out there that you just need to look a little harder for. But with that said, every now and then an artist that I'm willing to bet you'd dismiss as all style, no substance, comes along and delivers something that absolutely warrants the massive success it receives - I'm thinking of singles such as We Found Love by Rihanna, and Video Games by Lana Del Rey (her whole debut album, actually) - and to hear people criticise music like this, not because it isn't to their taste, but because 'it isn't as good as music used to be' is complete lunacy.

I do agree that there are a lot of crap artists out there whose success baffles me, but there have been crap artists for decades now. It's easy to look at the 70s and 80s with rose tinted glasses, but older people from the 70s were doing exactly the same thing you guys are doing now; shaking their heads and saying that music quality has gone downhill.

There is nothing wrong with striving to stay current. Nothing at all.
_elly001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2012, 19:50
sjp07
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,076
RnB
People forget Rhythm n Blues...!! Didn't mean you I must add!
This. I hate that anything "urban" or from a black artist gets labeled RnB. Usher's last album was not RnB. Michael Jackson didn't make RnB music. (It still surprises me when people say that. Anita Baker is RnB, Toni Braxton, Monica, Tyrese, even Brandi. I can't remember the last time Chris Brown or Usher had RnB albums. Casualty Of Love and 5 Down by Jessie J is pretty much one of the only RnB songs I've heard in a while. I'm really excited for Tyrese, Genuine, and Tank to form a group next year. Before RnB became forever infused in pop it was described as "baby making music."
sjp07 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 18:03.