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Chryed's Departure- 'Julia's Theme'?
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Lousiana
14-11-2012
Originally Posted by towers:
“Syed loves Christian, he didn't love Amira - not in the way he needed to - so there's a huge difference there.

As for never seeing Syed happy, we've never seen him at all in between Chryed's main storylines and that's been a huge issue. He was very happy during the first part of the year and before Michael left him thousands on debt.”

Michael didn't leave Syed in debt he did that all by himself.

Syed made a deal to sell £10,000 worth of cleaning products and was given the stock up front. He then had to pay the supplier at a later date. All Michael did was refuse to buy them off him and since he was not the one who made the deal with Syed he had every right to. If Syed couldn't find another buyer that is hardly Michael's fault.
Salome
14-11-2012
Originally Posted by MadWorld_NES:
“Hey Katrina Goes without saying but I totally agree with your posts!



Name me one other couple/pairing... or even character... who has maintained such a strong fanbase during BK's time on the show. When Christian and Syed first became popular there was also a huge thread running at the same speed for Ronnie and Jack. Pretty soon after BK arrived he started destroying Ronnie, the fan base slowly died and then Ronnie was sent to prison. BK also brought back Kat and with her reappearance came a surge of her (and Kalfie's) biggest fans. BK then started ruining Kat, and her fanbase on DS died long before this ridiculous 'affair with a shadow' storyline started and Kalfie's relationship was made meaningless for good. However, Christian and Syed's fanbase stayed very strong for ages, despite the fact that they were getting no screentime or storylines. It's only relatively recently that the thread has slowed down and people have finally got fed up and moved on. (Or just gone elsewhere to rant about it, like me. )

That alone is a testament to just how good the storyline was - and still could be, if it had been given half a chance by the last EE team - and how much they drew people in and really made them believe in them as a couple. Johnny Partridge and Marc Elliott were always spot on in their portrayal of the couple and when they were given good material they always pulled it out the bag. Just because something's no longer as good as it was doesn't mean people will give up when they still see potential. The storyline's also done a fantastic job of normalising gay relationships, and I doubt many viewers would blink twice at a kiss or an innuendo between Christian and Syed now whereas before them, a gay kiss was a big thing and probably would've attracted a load of complaints.

And anyway, it's not really their popularity that would make them deserve Julia's Theme but the nature of their exit. If they leave together (which I hope they will) and the episode draws their storyline to a close with a positive ending, the duff duffs wouldn't be appropriate. I also don't think everything can be resolved in one episode and I think this exit storyline has not only been awful but extremely rushed (which is funny considering they were barely on screen for 6 months before it so there was plenty of time ), but enough of their love and chemistry remains for me to believe they could fix it off screen if they both tried hard enough. And if the ball starts rolling in Thursday's episode.”

Chryed fangirls will want JT just for the sake of nostalgia. That I can understand.
For the other EE viewers (and there are a lot of them ) it simply doesn't make sense because Christian and Syed became redundant after the coming out storyline
and they were never portrayed as a convincing/lasting couple. It would be odd if the audience was now expected to believe that they are going to be happy ever after.
As for a gay couple portrayed as being 'normal', the one thing I appreciate about the storyline is that in the end the writers had the courage to be critical about (the pressure of) straight institutions such as monogamy, marriage and family life, even if it is at the expense of Syed's popularity.
Guido9
14-11-2012
No, just a bog standard departure minus any Julia's Theme et al would be fitting. They've hardly set the world alight as a couple since all the hooh-ha and hush hush of their coming together three years ago. Then you had wholly unrealistic scenes whereby Mas and Zainab became best chums with Christian after deploring the bloke in the beginning and for a long time after that too! Meanwhile, Chryed's very recent marriage was the final insult I guess, even if Syed was trying to hold together all his web of lies without having them exposed, all in the hope that they'd go away - that was until the bailiffs' untimely arrival! I won't miss either of them one iota and I'm sure I echo the sentiments of many.....:sleep:
_drak
14-11-2012
How could they justify the logic of giving a Julia's Theme to Amira leaving temporarily in a cab, but not giving it to the two main characters in the story which Amira's character was supporting?
Zack06
14-11-2012
I honestly don't think they deserve it. They are not leaving at the climax of a dramatic storyline, they are just leaving because the characters have become washed out and boring. Lets keep it real here. Nobody is really caring for either of these two outside their fanbase, which is why they have been axed.

The storylines they've had recently were tedious and boring and somewhat repetitive, and to be honest anything that prolongs their departure will get a no from me. So, no Julia's theme for these two in my view.
towers
14-11-2012
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“I honestly don't think they deserve it. They are not leaving at the climax of a dramatic storyline, they are just leaving because the characters have become washed out and boring. Lets keep it real here. Nobody is really caring for either of these two outside their fanbase, which is why they have been axed.

The storylines they've had recently were tedious and boring and somewhat repetitive, and to be honest anything that prolongs their departure will get a no from me. So, no Julia's theme for these two in my view. ”

Marc Elliott gave his notice in, they weren't axed - not Syed anyway.

If the characters became boring, it's down to the producers and writers lack of interest in them. Russell T Davis would have made a better job of Chryed than BK ever did because he's a talented writer and producer, BK wasn't - not in EE anyway, beyond the murder of Heather which gave the Mitchells a good storyline.

BK ruined Kat and Lorraine Newman knows it, it's not Kat's fault.
rickybee
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by towers:
“Syed loves Christian, he didn't love Amira - not in the way he needed to - so there's a huge difference there.”

By the look of it, he didnt love Christian, cheated on him couple of days before the wedding, he is one the most dopey characters on EE so boring and dull, and it was janine's fault he was in debt not michael! And which fool buys large large quantaties if cleaning products and gets in debt! Just go and buy Mr Muscle. He doesnt deserve the Julia theme. Just a exit in a black cab will do. Even thats to good for him the whining old rat?!!!
rfonzo
15-11-2012
I can't believe they are leaving, where are they going to live?
IzzyInTheHouse
15-11-2012
No for me, they aren't really significant enough for one imo.

I don't want them to leave together either, though I bet they will :yawn:
maggiek
15-11-2012
Their storyline became very tiring for me. I honestly don't care if they have J theme or not--just go. Did like Christian w/ his sister Jane. Some good scenes and a true relationship there.
towers
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by rickybee:
“By the look of it, he didnt love Christian, cheated on him couple of days before the wedding, he is one the most dopey characters on EE so boring and dull, and it was janine's fault he was in debt not michael! And which fool buys large large quantaties if cleaning products and gets in debt! Just go and buy Mr Muscle. He doesnt deserve the Julia theme. Just a exit in a black cab will do. Even thats to good for him the whining old rat?!!!”

So Kat's never loved Alfie, Max has never loved Tanya and Tanya has never loved Max - because they all cheated?

Syed loves Christian, despite this crappy BK storyline, which is why they're probably leaving together. This storyline was clearly rushed because they had to get it done before Marc's contract was up.
doormouse1
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by Lousiana:
“I think the characters had a moderate popularity once, during the time of the original storyline when they were being heavily used, but they were never main characters like the Brannings or the Mitchells, it was the issue EE were pushing. They have never achieved anything near universal popularity. Once the initial story was out of the way the audience didn't care anymore and BK saw to it that he drastically reduced the level of popularity they did have. But I don't think it was ever on the same scale of the other major couples/characters over the years the audience (online anyway, but I can't imagine anyone in r/l really cares cos the majority of the non-online audience don't overthink soaps) haven't exactly been up in arms over their lack of appearances this year and that was before BK destroyed them.

So we give them it because they were involved in a good storyline 2 years ago? Even though they have been ruined as a couple now. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I don't see how anything can be resolved between them in a believable way, all in the space of one episode, not least because Syed strikes me as the type of person who could benefit from some therapy as he is clearly still unhappy with many things about his life, including Christian. Although I suspect on Thursday it'll suddenly be 'we need to be together' despite the huge rows they keep having and will continue to have.

I notice the song Stand By Me in their last ep I bet they will get that instead of Julia's Theme anyway. God the ultimate in cheese, I am PMSLing just thinking about it. ”

Horrible expression. I hope not literally, or would you like some Tena pants?
Lousiana
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by _drak:
“How could they justify the logic of giving a Julia's Theme to Amira leaving temporarily in a cab, but not giving it to the two main characters in the story which Amira's character was supporting?”

I don't view Christian and Syed as main characters they have not been main characters since 2010 and even then that was only because EE were exploring an issue with them.

Once that issue was out of the way TPTB and general audience lost interest. To survive outside of the issue would've required character development that did not occur for whatever reason.

For all you say Amira was a supporting character, they have never had a story that didn't involve her. Not a proper one. And in her last stint the lion's share of the screentime went to her and Christian with Syed as an extra on the sidelines who barely said two words. The writers are clearly bored of his character. Marc Elliott handing in his notice was probably a blessing in disguise.

Originally Posted by rickybee:
“By the look of it, he didnt love Christian, cheated on him couple of days before the wedding, he is one the most dopey characters on EE so boring and dull, and it was janine's fault he was in debt not michael! And which fool buys large large quantaties if cleaning products and gets in debt! Just go and buy Mr Muscle. He doesnt deserve the Julia theme. Just a exit in a black cab will do. Even thats to good for him the whining old rat?!!!”

It is not even Janine's fault that Syed ended up in debt.

Syed lacks the charisma to shift £10,000 worth of cleaning products he should never have agreed to the deal in the first place and should've stuck to flogging t-shirts.

Originally Posted by rfonzo:
“I can't believe they are leaving, where are they going to live?”

They are going to America apparently, without Visas and without a penny to their name.

Originally Posted by towers:
“So Kat's never loved Alfie, Max has never loved Tanya and Tanya has never loved Max - because they all cheated?

Syed loves Christian, despite this crappy BK storyline, which is why they're probably leaving together. This storyline was clearly rushed because they had to get it done before Marc's contract was up.”

Syed couldn't even tell Christian he loved him, only reason he can now is because he's panicking about being left on his own. He has big ideas but is too lazy to do anything about them and Christian is a safe bet.

He recently sent away 'their' daughter without talking to Christian about it first..such an honest and open relationship.

Originally Posted by doormouse1:
“Horrible expression. I hope not literally, or would you like some Tena pants?”

Please it is a figure of speech, surely you can do better than that?
MissLola
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by Lousiana:
“I
He recently sent away 'their' daughter without talking to Christian about it first..such an honest and open relationship.”

It seems that the two daddies arrangement was made behind's Amira's back. She told Yasmin to give uncleChristian a big kiss. The sprog is much better off with her mother.
valeriya1
15-11-2012
na na na heyy goodbye
LiamBerryTea ~
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“It seems that the two daddies arrangement was made behind's Amira's back. She told Yasmin to give uncleChristian a big kiss. The sprog is much better off with her mother.”

Much better with her mum yes!
And the way Amira was so nice to him made me laugh.. They wouldn't be in this mess if Christian hasn't turned husband stealer and life wrecker.. Syed too obviously
towers
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by LiamBerryTea ~:
“Much better with her mum yes!
And the way Amira was so nice to him made me laugh.. They wouldn't be in this mess if Christian hasn't turned husband stealer and life wrecker.. Syed too obviously”

Syed was no husband to Amira, so in one sense, Christian was freeing Amira from a loveless and sexless marriage - if it hadn't been Christian who'd tempted Syed away, another man would have.

I don't agree with how Christian chose to tell Amira though, in the most public way possible - that was selfish, even if he'd come to the end of his teather with Syed.
MissLola
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by towers:
“Syed was no husband to Amira, so in one sense, Christian was freeing Amira from a loveless and sexless marriage - if it hadn't been Christian who'd tempted Syed away, another man would have.

I don't agree with how Christian chose to tell Amira though, in the most public way possible - that was selfish, even if he'd come to the end of his teather with Syed.”

Syed was married to Amira. He was her husband. Christian and Syed cheated. They are cheats and homewreckers come in pairs. Christian didn't free Amira from anything. He wanted her out of the way so he could cop off with her husband. Let's not forget that when Christian broke the news to Amira when he still thought she was pregnant, which makes it even worse.

By the same logic I suppose that Danny tried to free Christian from a marriage to an untrustworthy lying cheat.

The only person who freed Amira is Amira herself.
Salome
15-11-2012
I was hoping for Amira rising above it all but on the other hand, her reaction to Christian claiming Yasmin also felt a bit too idealised/generous (it can be justified for the sake of her daughter but I would have liked to seen a bit more awareness of the betrayal, from both sides)
Overall, I had a big problem with the way EE (or should I say BK) treated Amira as an easily discarded prop in the Chryed romance and it put me off the storyline.
towers
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“Syed was married to Amira. He was her husband. Christian and Syed cheated. They are cheats and homewreckers come in pairs. Christian didn't free Amira from anything. He wanted her out of the way so he could cop off with her husband. Let's not forget that when Christian broke the news to Amira when he still thought she was pregnant, which makes it even worse.

By the same logic I suppose that Danny tried to free Christian from a marriage to an untrustworthy lying cheat.

The only person who freed Amira is Amira herself.”

Syed made Amira feel guilty about wanting to have sex with her own husband because he kept finding excuses not to go through with it - reducing Amira to tears at one point and a kiss with Danny Mitchell. What kind of marriage was that? Like she told Christian, there was no warmth in their love making.
MissLola
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by towers:
“Syed made Amira feel guilty about wanting to have sex with her own husband because he kept finding excuses not to go through with it - reducing Amira to tears at one point and a kiss with Danny Mitchell. What kind of marriage was that? Like she told Christian, there was no warmth in their love making and it felt like Syed was just trying to make babies.”

How is that relevant? They were married and Christian and Syed were sleeping together behind her back. That's cheating on someone not freeing someone. Trying to spin the Chryed affair into something noble that freed Amira makes me
MissLola
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by Salome:
“I was hoping for Amira rising above it all but on the other hand, her reaction to Christian claiming Yasmin also felt a bit too idealised/generous (it can be justified for the sake of her daughter but I would have liked to seen a bit more awareness of the betrayal, from both sides)
Overall, I had a big problem with the way EE (or should I say BK) treated Amira as an easily discarded prop in the Chryed romance and it put me off the storyline.”

She didn't come back to dwell on the past. She was only there to take her daughter to Birmingham.
towers
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“How is that relevant? They were married and Christian and Syed were sleeping together behind her back. That's cheating on someone not freeing someone. Trying to spin the Chryed affair into something noble that freed Amira makes me ”

Syed was making Amira unhappy - that is very relevant.

.
towers
15-11-2012
Ignore.
MissLola
15-11-2012
Originally Posted by towers:
“Syed was making Amira unhappy - that is very relevant.

.”

So Christian sacrificed himself by sleeping with Amira's husband in order to free her. You know there are other ways for a marriage to ends. Like one spouse realises that it's never gonna work and asks for a divorce.
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