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#151 |
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No one is saying she hasn't had dance training.
She has, but so have many others.....including by her own admission Kimberley. The former could apply to anything from a couple of ballet lessons to several years one-to-one tuition in several disciplines. Fern "had dance training" for the Christmas Special. Didn't give her any advantage. The latter indicates that you trained for a fair amount of time to actually be a dancer. You had lessons, showed ability and put time and effort into developing that skill in order to use it later. Whether or not Denise intended that to be the way her quote came across, she did (if we're to believe the article) utter those immortal words and, as a result, people are judging her on them. Five words. Said years ago. If she doesn't win she may well regret them. She may well be regretting them already. |
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"Not only is she a wonderful actress but she is also highly trained in dance, specializing in Aerobics, Ballet, Bass-Baritone, Cabaret Singing, Choreography, Contemporary, Jazz and Tap. In her spare time she enjoys painting, swimming and skiing. She is a girl with endless talents."
This is from Kara's IMDb biography http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0865652/bio Sounds like she's had far more dance training than Denise yet IIRC no one called Kara a professional when she was on SCD. |
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I think Denise could be bottom two tonight - her Charleston isn't looking good - and I think Victoria will join her
Also, I thought we'd established that it isn't solely Denise's prior dance experience that stands against her, it's whether she's got on your pip or not both now and over the past twenty years. Kara didn't and hadn't and that made all the difference. Also, imo, James is a handicap. |
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Leaving aside any personal feeling, there is a difference between "having dance training" and "training as a dancer".
The former could apply to anything from a couple of ballet lessons to several years one-to-one tuition in several disciplines. Fern "had dance training" for the Christmas Special. Didn't give her any advantage. The latter indicates that you trained for a fair amount of time to actually be a dancer. You had lessons, showed ability and put time and effort into developing that skill in order to use it later. Whether or not Denise intended that to be the way her quote came across, she did (if we're to believe the article) utter those immortal words and, as a result, people are judging her on them. Five words. Said years ago. If she doesn't win she may well regret them. She may well be regretting them already. |
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One way or another she won't win.
She's just not as popular as some of the others. 2 principal reasons. A)perceived prior advantage and B)the Essex-girl spiel winds some people up I started off as against her for A) but B) is now beginning to wear pretty thin so she's definitely not one I'd vote for. And polls seem to show I'm not alone. Time will tell but I wouldn't waste my money betting on Denise. ;o) |
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Just to add an extra point after the excellent summary on the dance experience debate:
Matt Baker got lots of flak for being a gymnast and his experience, probably heightened by Aliona using those skills early on, but Louis seems to have had a far easier ride for his gymnastic background probably because Flavia has cleverly not drawn attention most of the time. |
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I think Denise is the best dancer-
On musical theatre you don't do ballroom or Latin I think she deserves to win - I like her and don't get the negative against her? And Lisa can dance too- |
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She's the pro-iest pro from PRO-land who has ever been on SCD.
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Denise isn't a trained dancer? But it's very clear she is. She says so herself!
Denise Van Outen: http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/tv/Deni...ten-57211.html Denise says she is a trained dancer. Why do people keep contradicting her? She should know. What exactly makes Denise a pro that didn't make the rest of them a pro? |
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"Not only is she a wonderful actress but she is also highly trained in dance, specializing in Aerobics, Ballet, Bass-Baritone, Cabaret Singing, Choreography, Contemporary, Jazz and Tap. In her spare time she enjoys painting, swimming and skiing. She is a girl with endless talents."
This is from Kara's IMDb biography http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0865652/bio Sounds like she's had far more dance training than Denise yet IIRC no one called Kara a professional when she was on SCD. |
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What exactly makes Denise a pro that didn't make the rest of them a pro? |
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They didn't star in a West end musical before entering SCD
And not all West End musicals require dance proficiency, so I'd personally place much more stock on those who have been dance school trained - like Jill Halfpenny. |
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She won't win, fortunately.
She is too marmite a character to win. |
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