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Old 15-11-2012, 18:30
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Has anyone upgraded to the 920 from the Nokia n8 I've had my n8 for 2 years and up till now nothing has made me want to give it up, my snaps are even better than my girfriends compact camera. So just wondering how the camera on the 920 compares with the n8, it looks like a very sexy handset.
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Old 15-11-2012, 20:48
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Screen is better on the 920, but as for the camera .... nope, the 920 is probably still behind the N8 unless you can get everyone in your pictures to stay perfectly still.

The OIS implementation does seem impressive, it'll get great nighttime landscape shots, as it allows for slightly longer exposures. But indoors in low light, the lack of flash (its only got an LED, albeit a bright one) is pretty poor when compared to the Xenon in the N8.

Having said that, the 920 appears to be ahead of the mainstream competition.

There's only one cameraphone thats comprehensively bettered the N8, and thats its successor, the 808. Which is only available SIM free.
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Old 15-11-2012, 21:49
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Cheers mate thats a big help, think I'll just wait for the next Lumia upgrade I think Nokia are deffinatley moving in the right direction with the Lumia.
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Old 16-11-2012, 08:59
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Cheers mate thats a big help, think I'll just wait for the next Lumia upgrade I think Nokia are deffinatley moving in the right direction with the Lumia.
Not sure I totally agree; while I like the look of them, I don't see them doing anything like enough to differentiate and wow the crowds away from Android and iOS. In too many ways I feel like the WP move was 10 steps back for them.
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Old 16-11-2012, 09:32
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the 920 camera is much better than the N8.

it has a bigger sensor and the image stabilisation allows for the lens to be open for much longer. which makes it great in low light environments. obviously they've had over 2 years to work on it.
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Old 16-11-2012, 13:33
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the 920 camera is much better than the N8.

it has a bigger sensor and the image stabilisation allows for the lens to be open for much longer. which makes it great in low light environments. obviously they've had over 2 years to work on it.
Nope.

1/3" for the 920, 1/1.83" for the N8 (1/1.2" for the 808). The N8 sensor is considerably larger, and brings in way more light.

The OIS is great if your subject doesn't move. It is of absolutely NO USE WHATSOEVER if the subject moves. For that you need a faster shutter and a xenon flash.

So in good lighting the OIS will be of little use at all, as the camera will be able to use a faster shutter, and the sensor on the N8 will bring in more light primarily due to its size.

And in a low light situation, where you can use the flash, the N8 will do a much better job of illuminating the subject.

Its only when you're taking night shots of inanimate objects that the 920 comes up trumps - note that virtually *all* the promo shots were at night, with everything still.

This is primarily about stills - video work is another matter, on which the 920 and OIS does an indecently good job.
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Old 16-11-2012, 13:57
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Nope.

1/3" for the 920, 1/1.83" for the N8 (1/1.2" for the 808). The N8 sensor is considerably larger, and brings in way more light.

The OIS is great if your subject doesn't move. It is of absolutely NO USE WHATSOEVER if the subject moves. For that you need a faster shutter and a xenon flash.

So in good lighting the OIS will be of little use at all, as the camera will be able to use a faster shutter, and the sensor on the N8 will bring in more light primarily due to its size.

And in a low light situation, where you can use the flash, the N8 will do a much better job of illuminating the subject.

Its only when you're taking night shots of inanimate objects that the 920 comes up trumps - note that virtually *all* the promo shots were at night, with everything still.

This is primarily about stills - video work is another matter, on which the 920 and OIS does an indecently good job.
sorry i didn't mean the sensor size. this of course has nothing to do with light gathering. i meant the aperture size.

the 920 has an f/2 aperture. compared to the f/2.8 for the N8. twice as much light.

the ois allows for ~5x slower shutter speeds. 10x as much light.

there is no need to put thing in capitals. the ois is of course useful when taking photos of things other than inanimate objects. we're only talking about the movement in 1/30th of a second here. it works well for drunken crowd shots.

the LED is almost as bright (90%) as the xenon flash when it's used in pulse mode. together with the wider aperture gives better low light performance.

there are problems with the led flash. you just haven't mentioned them.
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Old 17-11-2012, 16:37
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Not sure I totally agree; while I like the look of them, I don't see them doing anything like enough to differentiate and wow the crowds away from Android and iOS. In too many ways I feel like the WP move was 10 steps back for them.
I just think people would be more likley to change to WP, rather than Symbian, I already know a friend from work has switched from Iphone to Lumia 920, My girlfriend has the Iphone 4s and I haven't seen an uglier handset it looks like is was built by Meccano and they forgot to finish the edges. I just dont understand the fuss
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Old 17-11-2012, 18:32
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the only real upgrade from the n8 is the Nokia 808 pureview. 43 megapixel camera. The only snag is it is only available sim free from amazon. Its a good phone though. I'm typing this on it
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Old 17-11-2012, 18:57
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Man I just went to get a review of your 808 and it was being compared to a Canon EOS 5d mark 111. Surely this cant be right thats a semi pro DSLR and would beat my Canon 350d.
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Old 17-11-2012, 19:30
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I don't know about the comparisons to high end dslr cameras, but it will eliminate any need to carry a compact camera. It's nice to always have a high quality camera with you though, hence me purchasing this phone.
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Old 17-11-2012, 22:37
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Switched from an iPhone to a Lumia 820 last weekend and I'm glad I did - really nice phone, WP8 feels like a more modern and frown up system over iOS. Great stuff from Nokia.
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Old 17-11-2012, 23:03
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Switched from an iPhone to a Lumia 820 last weekend and I'm glad I did - really nice phone, WP8 feels like a more modern and frown up system over iOS. Great stuff from Nokia.
My friend said that exact thing mate that the 920 felt like a phone for grown ups compared with his Iphone.
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Old 17-11-2012, 23:42
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Man I just went to get a review of your 808 and it was being compared to a Canon EOS 5d mark 111. Surely this cant be right thats a semi pro DSLR and would beat my Canon 350d.
The 5D is a full frame pro DSLR, isn't it? No phone camera will come close to it or even to an entry level DSLR.
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Old 18-11-2012, 00:05
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Yeah mate I knew that, a good lens for the 5d could set you back over a grand I have no idea what the review was about.
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Old 18-11-2012, 11:18
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The 5D is a full frame pro DSLR, isn't it? No phone camera will come close to it or even to an entry level DSLR.
I assume you've used the phone to be able to dispute the claims made by reviewers who have?
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Old 18-11-2012, 14:27
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I assume you've used the phone to be able to dispute the claims made by reviewers who have?
I haven't. But I maintain my view that it's in no way comparable to a DSLR. In fact, I'd say you can't even compare it to a top-end compact.
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Old 18-11-2012, 14:32
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I haven't. But I maintain my view that it's in no way comparable to a DSLR. In fact, I'd say you can't even compare it to a top-end compact.
you would accept that it is possible at some point this will happen? so could hit have happened now, without you noticing?

what would it take for you to accept it?
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Old 18-11-2012, 14:43
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you would accept that it is possible at some point this will happen? so could hit have happened now, without you noticing?

what would it take for you to accept it?
What will happen at some point? Camera phones surpassing DSLRs? I doubt it. I've read some detailed reviews of the 808 now, and there doesn't seem to be any dispute that it has a very good camera. But not anywhere close to DSLR standards.

It doesn't have full manual control, it doesn't have an option to change the aperture, it doesn't have optical zoom - I could go on. It's handy to have a good camera on your phone, and it's even better to have a VERY good one, but it's not a replacement for a dedicated camera.
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Old 18-11-2012, 14:50
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What will happen at some point? Camera phones surpassing DSLRs? I doubt it. I've read some detailed reviews of the 808 now, and there doesn't seem to be any dispute that it has a very good camera. But not anywhere close to DSLR standards.

It doesn't have full manual control, it doesn't have an option to change the aperture, it doesn't have optical zoom - I could go on. It's handy to have a good camera on your phone, and it's even better to have a VERY good one, but it's not a replacement for a dedicated camera.
oh i agree. i'm just saying that it seems odd to just refuse to believe something that an expert has reported when you have no evidence to the contrary.

personally i think the 808 takes a very different approach. and it would not surprise me if there were some specific things it could do better.

and if nokia do survive it'll be interesting to see how far they can take it.
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Old 19-11-2012, 08:44
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I haven't. But I maintain my view that it's in no way comparable to a DSLR. In fact, I'd say you can't even compare it to a top-end compact.
The 808 comprehensively betters 99% of compacts for image quality. For the most part compacts have lousy optics - especially when you pop in something like a large zoom. They also have cruddy small sensors.

Nokia have put an indecently large sensor in the 808, considerably larger than that in *all* compacts, larger than that in some bridge cameras, and the results bear that out. It also has an optimised prime lens, rather than a horrible compromised zoom.

That it can be compared to a DSLR is an achievment - in my case I've only started up the DSLR a few times since buying the 808, and that was primarily to do a comparison with the 808. That DSLR may be a good few years old, and there are still plenty of circumstances when I would choose it over the 808 - when I need the larger zoom (28-300), or when I want to use the nifty fifty .... but there is a genuinely SLR type purity from the shots taken on the 808 in pureview mode.
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Old 19-11-2012, 14:29
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Theres absolutley no doubt the the 808 would compare with and trump high end compacts as its a step up from the Nokia N8 which was itself being compared with high end compacts.
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