[dazb]

Ok spent the past 2 hours trying to sort Adobe flash plugin crashed error out. Using the latest firefox browser 16.02 all my plugins are upto date it seems. Got the latest Adobe flashplugin 11.5.502.110 and also Active X flash player 11. I have since turned off hardware acceleration in firefox to see if that helps and so far hasnt crashed but ive no doubt it will. Tried using google chrome and then had similar problems with that. Adobe really need to sort this out because this has been an ongoing problem for about 8 months and im sick of it.

[Smiley433]

So Adobe flash player keeps crashing and you say that Firefox is awful?

[RobinOfLoxley]

Use an old version till any bugs are sorted or to confirm if 16.02 is the culprit on your setup.

http://www.filehippo.com/download_firefox/

(switch Auto Update off via Tools/Options)

Mozbackup is useful when tinkering.
http://www.mozbackup.org/

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by Smiley433

So Adobe flash player keeps crashing and you say that Firefox is awful?

I'm no fan of firefox myself, but the funniest bit is this

Originally Posted by dazb

Tried using google chrome and then had similar problems with that.

[DANCE OF DEATH]

Sorry to burst the bubble, but it ain't Firefox that is the problem it is the Adobe Flash plugin. When I installed the latest update I got the same problems. It wasn't until I started to use a different version of the Flash Plugin and I got it working properly.

The sooner programmers drop Java and Flash i would be a happy person as there will be no need crappy add-ons like these.

[d'@ve]

Well I have kept Firefox 15 on this PC (with Win 8) and it's fine even with Flash 11, I refuse its offers for the update..

On my Win XP dual boot, I stupidly updated to FF 16 and it's slow and jerky.

So... sounds like a conflict between FF 16 and Flash 11. Or something else.

[d'@ve]

OK, it was something else. Disabled hardware acceleration and FF 16 it's now fine, with latest Flash and everything else.

Odd that this was never a problem until a few weeks ago.

[TrueCard]

True, flash does seem to get slower and jerkier with every update especially when I play on flashflashrevolution which requires smooth framerates to be playable.

[dazb]

Still my problems persist with FF i downloaded version 15.0 and got immediate adobe flash plugin crashed that was with hardware acceleration tuned off. I have since been using Chrome and not a single crash for the past 3 hours. One of the things that occured to me when looking at the plugins for FF i have Shockwave Flash 11.5.502.110 and Shockwave Plugin 5.1.10411.0 dont know if they are adding to the crashes or if they are needed.

[REDBUS]

flash is certainly been causing FF some problems over the last year ,was the same with pale moon but been sorted a few months now ,just disable hardware acceleration or go back a few versions of flash ,they need to sort this badly

[Johnbee]

OP people who use and like Firefox enjoy playing around with addons and the battle to get them to work. It is most of the attraction for them. They don't want to use a Google product because of spying, hooray for them, they don't want to use a MS product, which is a bit old fashioned of them, and Opera does not suit them because there is not much to fiddle with.

A family member swears by FF and wants me to use it, but it doesn't suit me.

I am a bit of a believer in democracy among other things so I think there ought to be an internet vote every year on what to get rid of. Obviously all those crappy toolbars and addons would go the first few years, but it would not be long before Adobe, the world's most invasive software, was sent to the happy huntiung ground.

[alan1302]

Originally Posted by Johnbee

OP people who use and like Firefox enjoy playing around with addons and the battle to get them to work. It is most of the attraction for them. They don't want to use a Google product because of spying, hooray for them, they don't want to use a MS product, which is a bit old fashioned of them, and Opera does not suit them because there is not much to fiddle with.

A family member swears by FF and wants me to use it, but it doesn't suit me.

I am a bit of a believer in democracy among other things so I think there ought to be an internet vote every year on what to get rid of. Obviously all those crappy toolbars and addons would go the first few years, but it would not be long before Adobe, the world's most invasive software, was sent to the happy huntiung ground.

Can I vote to get rid of your ramblings?

[Gort]

Originally Posted by Johnbee

and Opera does not suit them because there is not much to fiddle with.

One of the things Opera gets accused of is feature bloat and being "too difficult" for newbies to use, etc. There are a lot of things to fiddle with in its options, arguably too many for the "too many options confuses people" brigade. Probably the more likely complaint is that only Gort uses Opera, so it's not cool, etc.

[late8]

c h r o m e

[Magic Cottage]

Originally Posted by late8

c h r o m e

F i r e f o x. Never had a moments problem.

[Bungitin]

Both Adobe and Java provide software which are memory eating monsters for seemingly little benefit.

[barky99]

Originally Posted by Bungitin

Both Adobe and Java provide software which are memory eating monsters for seemingly little benefit.

java especially ... I have it installed BUT disabled in firefox so it can be enabled in case a site requires it ... haven't had to enable it for a long time .... other software I have still leans on java & once it doesn't java will be gone for good

[Desolate one]

You could try memory fox add-on to reduce ram usage in firefox link below if you wish to try:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...on/memory-fox/

[alan1302]

Originally Posted by late8

c h r o m e

Does Chrome make you write weirdly or something?

[NewWorldMan]

Originally Posted by Johnbee

OP people who use and like Firefox enjoy playing around with addons and the battle to get them to work. It is most of the attraction for them.

I am attracted by addons but the ones I use work and I don't have battles with them. Overall I prefer Firefox because I can always customise it to my preferred way of working.

They don't want to use a Google product because of spying, hooray for them,

I don't give a toss about "spying." I do use Chrome but find it less functional and usable than Firefox, that's all. I do use and like many other Google products.

they don't want to use a MS product, which is a bit old fashioned of them,

I do use IE but find it inferior to the other browsers. I do use plenty of other MS products. Basically, I use whatever I consider the best tool(s) for the job. I don't have a religious hatred of big co, like many seem to.

and Opera does not suit them because there is not much to fiddle with.

I also use Opera occasionally and it's pretty customisable, more so than Chrome and in some respects more so than Firefox, though not as immediately obvious.

A family member swears by FF and wants me to use it, but it doesn't suit me.

Yep, it's subjective. The browsers all have different features. That's objective. Whether or how much you care for any specific features is subjective.

I am a bit of a believer in democracy among other things so I think there ought to be an internet vote every year on what to get rid of. Obviously all those crappy toolbars and addons would go the first few years, but it would not be long before Adobe, the world's most invasive software, was sent to the happy huntiung ground.

The only "vote" that is necessary is if you don't like something, don't use it - or build your own.

[JeffG1]

Originally Posted by Bungitin

Both Adobe and Java provide software which are memory eating monsters for seemingly little benefit.

Java is a fully-fledged programming language in its own right, and has very important benefits. Most Android applications are written in Java for example.

I assume you're talking about Java run-time and browser plug-ins.

[NewWorldMan]

Yes, most people take "Java" to mean Java in the browser rather than in server-side applications for example.

[Johnbee]

Actually there is another point which is often overlooked.

I have reasons for actually trying out most browsers - Firefox runs well on my PC - it was installed by a Firefox expert for his own use when he is using my PC. People here are saying that they choose what is most suitable for them, and they customise the browser, etc.

I use IE because I switched to it a very long time ago, when I got fed up with Netscape becoming so slow. I carry on using IE because I see no need to change.

I use the browser for email and other communication, for information, for entertainment and so on. It is the same with other software, I use it for functionality. The software is not an end in itself. Microsoft made billions out of the fact that people like playing around with the software rather than getting on with their work, so I might be in a minority over this, but actually I don't think so.

The real question is not 'which one is best' or even 'which one suits me'. The real question is 'is there a need to change' or 'is it worth changing'. and I am fairly sure the answer is no.

[neo_wales]

I've got IE, Chrome, FF 16.02 and the chrome based Torch browser. 16.02 has been fine for me but I tend to use Chrome these days, smoother and loads faster.

[Sandgrownun]

Originally Posted by dazb

Still my problems persist with FF i downloaded version 15.0 and got immediate adobe flash plugin crashed that was with hardware acceleration tuned off. I have since been using Chrome and not a single crash for the past 3 hours. One of the things that occured to me when looking at the plugins for FF i have Shockwave Flash 11.5.502.110 and Shockwave Plugin 5.1.10411.0 dont know if they are adding to the crashes or if they are needed.

Have you tried a clean install of FF? Backup your profile and then uninstall FF and your profile, before reinstalling. I'd also uninstall and reinstall Flash. Then try a few sties before you add any extensions or anything else to FF.

Originally Posted by Johnbee

Opera does not suit them because there is not much to fiddle with.

Strange how people think this. Opera is extremely customisable by tweaking about under the hood and without bothering with extensions (although there are extensions now of course, still not sure I approve of that ).