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Why are the other apprentices intimidated by the by young black apprentice David |
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Why are the other apprentices intimidated by the by young black apprentice David
You don't have be a rocket scientist to see that the other apprentices are intimidated by David by choosing him for the 3rd time for the Boardroom, it is obvious he is doing something right as Sir Alan has saved his butt three times. Why do they want to get rid of him.? Is David spoiling their chances to win?
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They're not.
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Why are you trying to make this a race issue?
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I don't believe it is a race issue either
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Well, perhaps because he is chatting up the female candidates
![]() (no really, look at the final shot of the latest episode, he has his arms around Alice and Navdeep) |
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I thought they chose him for the boardroom because he was fecking useless.
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Hey, ho,I was wondering when there will be a thread mentioning David's skin colour as is always the case when there black contestants on a show.
Wow! If the OP didn't mentioned he was black I would never have known! |
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Is David black?
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I hadn't noticed any of them being intimidated by David. Quite the contrary, he's a fairly quiet, amiable chap. He narrowly missed being sacked this week too though I think he deserved another chance.
The only intimidating one I have seen so far is a girl who was in the board room the previous week when Sean got the push. David was there too. I've forgotten her name but she is still around. She would intimidate me and I could be her grandmother. |
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The only intimidating one I have seen so far is a girl who was in the board room the previous week when Sean got the push. David was there too. I've forgotten her name but she is still around. She would intimidate me and I could be her grandmother.
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David is extremely sexist, I am surprised Karen hasn't took him to task.
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The losing PM this week was very astute in choosing David and Amy as it was clear they would turn on each other in the boardroom and leave Steven looking calm and sensible.
Once any candidate starts going into the final boardroom they will be seen as 'weaker' and so a good scapegoat to bring in to later boardrooms. |
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The losing PM this week was very astute in choosing David and Amy as it was clear they would turn on each other in the boardroom and leave Steven looking calm and sensible.
Once any candidate starts going into the final boardroom they will be seen as 'weaker' and so a good scapegoat to bring in to later boardrooms. |
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They're not intimidated by him...he shouldn't have been chosen last week but it was between Patrick and him - and the project manager made the wrong decision, probably letting Patrick off the hook as they were friends. After being in the boardroom twice they know he is an easy target as there's only so many times a person is going to be in there before getting fired, they are trying to save their own skin. Also he hasnt exactly done much to show why he shouldn't be in the boardroom, if he was excelling in the task then they wouldnt be able to so easily choose him.
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You don't have be a rocket scientist to see that the other apprentices are intimidated by David by choosing him for the 3rd time for the Boardroom, it is obvious he is doing something right as Sir Alan has saved his butt three times. Why do they want to get rid of him.? Is David spoiling their chances to win?
No rocket science involved here. The only reason he's been saved three times is because there have been worse people than him to choose from........but only slightly. |
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I don't think they are taking him in because he is black or because they are intimidated by him. From the things he says, sometimes appearing arrogant, IMO they think he is likely to say the wrong thing and drop himself in it with Sir Alan.
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Boardroom #1: David was chosen because (if I remember rightly) he didn't sell enough to satisfy the PM (Patrick), even though the PM managed his task badly, overspent his budget and sold the least.
Boardroom #2: it was obvious to all that David was chosen to save Patrick, who should have been here. Boardroom #3: He was chosen because of his performance as a sub-group manager, but it was obvious to all that he was chosen because he had been in the boardroom twice, therefore it was believed he would get sacked. Apart from his idiotic sexist comments and silly bravado talk, what exactly did he do to earn the reputation of being 'useless' and 'lazy'? As far as I can see, he either took an active part, which irritated some candidates, or took a backseat, which irritated some candidates. Other candidates were less active than he was, but they aren't being branded as 'lazy'. Why is that? I think this is what he meant when he said he has to fight harder than other candidates. It seems he's aware that he's being targeted. It's a given that anyone would be targeted since it's a competition, but I do think they pay more attention to him and critique his performance more acutely than they do the others simply because he's black. But I believe David - like many kids and adults of non-white ethnicity - knows and understands that that's the way it is in this life. You can either put up with it to get ahead, or you can confront the person to tone down that person's acute awareness of your ethnicity in order to get a fairer assessment of your skills and performance. I think that's why he held back his natural self to put out a persona he thought would work in his group, which in fairness Karren and Sugar have noted. I do think David's pretty much a ****, but he does have a disadvantage - like Navdeep does, but her tactical approach is sticks up for whomever leads her group in order to protect her position - that he can either overcome or work round it to get ahead. |
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I think this is what he meant when he said he has to fight harder than other candidates. It seems he's aware that he's being targeted. It's a given that anyone would be targeted since it's a competition, but I do think they pay more attention to him and critique his performance more acutely than they do the others simply because he's black. But I believe David - like many kids and adults of non-white ethnicity - knows and understands that that's the way it is in this life. You can either put up with it to get ahead, or you can confront the person to tone down that person's acute awareness of your ethnicity in order to get a fairer assessment of your skills and performance.
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I sincerely doubt that there are any race issues behind it at all. I do think maybe he's been unfairly picked upon, but not because he's black, just because he's arrogant and unlikeable and people want to see people like that fail. There have been many black people on the show in the past, and I can't ever remember any race issues. What about Tim? Ansell? Jadine? Joanna? Gbemi last year was terrible, but she wasn't picked on for being black, she was picked on for being bad.
Being black does attract close attention. You'd have to be blind as a bat not to notice that. |
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You have a short memory then. Take a look at old threads and you will see a lot of acute assessments and negative comments about all these people you mentioned.
Being black does attract close attention. You'd have to be blind as a bat not to notice that. Ruth, Lohit and Howard are gay... did they get picked upon for that as well? I don't think so... they were all quite strong candidates in their series, even if Lohit was a bit of a non-entity (which was probably just the editing). I think if someone is a) Going to make comments like David's about how men are like dogs, b) Looking as though they're trying to appear brighter than they are, i.e. suggesting Odyssey as a team name and then not knowing how to spell it, despite being a private tutor and c) Been taken into the boardroom many times by the others, then people will want to see that person defeated. I'll concede that David has been unfairly picked upon on the tasks, but I think that's to do with his cocky and arrogant personality, not because of his ethnicity. I'm sure it would have been the same with a white person, if they'd had the same attitude as him. |
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You have a short memory then. Take a look at old threads and you will see a lot of acute assessments and negative comments about all these people you mentioned.
Being black does attract close attention. You'd have to be blind as a bat not to notice that. Last year a poll on one of these threads asked which candidate was least liked and it showed that the 2 black candidates, Mohammed and Gbemi were the least liked, even though they were no worse than anyone else. Of course, there'll always be the apologists denying what's blatantly obvious trying to imply differently. Having said that, I don't believe it has all been down to race with this year. I can sort of see why some of the candidates would be irritated by David as he can be an in-your-face type of person, but not in a bad way. He's not all the time, as he has reined it in this week and takes any advice on board. However, I think whatever he does he can't win. |
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Having said that, I don't believe it has all been down to race with this year. I can sort of see why some of the candidates would be irritated by David as he can be an in-your-face type of person, but not in a bad way. He's not all the time, as he has reined it in this week and takes any advice on board. However, I think whatever he does he can't win.
The second task, he was a standard cog in the cookery book task - he did his part, nothing exceptional, like some other candidates. The third task, he was made as the sub-group manager who, according to Amy and Lucy, didn't exhibit any leadership traits, even though they obtained more items than their top-group managed to get. PMs Steven and Patrick screwed up big time, but David received most criticisms. What's the heck with that? To be honest, I wasn't that surprised with criticisms targeted at him because it's same every year. Can anyone think of any popular or 'likeable' black candidate, male and female? I can't (I do welcome corrections). So far, all were deemed arrogant, cocky, aggressive, scary or rude. Never 'confident' or 'ambitious', it's always 'arrogant'. When a white guy acts cocky, it's "He's an arrogant git" and when a black guy acts cocky, it's "He's intimidating other candidates." I mean, what did David do to warrant this thread about him "intimidating" other candidates? Did we ever see him being aggressive towards other candidates? Did he make any act of anger or aggression? At worst he saw himself as the Alpha wolf when so far he has been nothing but a Labrador. So, exactly what did he do to earn this thread? Let's get real - David's performance so far is standard. Nothing special, apart from his sexist comments (no different from some previous male candidates). He's not aggressive, he's not nasty, he's not lazy, he's not anything some seem to think he is. Frankly, he's boring as he hasn't shown any flair. The best praise I could pay him is his consistent refusal to rise to others' baiting. He remained calm and steadfast, even when Amy stepped way over the line with the name-calling. That deserves credit. |
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Last year a poll on one of these threads asked which candidate was least liked and it showed that the 2 black candidates, Mohammed and Gbemi were the least liked, even though they were no worse than anyone else. Of course, there'll always be the apologists denying what's blatantly obvious trying to imply differently.
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To be honest, I wasn't that surprised with criticisms targeted at him because it's same every year. Can anyone think of any popular or 'likeable' black candidate, male and female? I can't (I do welcome corrections). So far, all were deemed arrogant, cocky, aggressive, scary or rude. Never 'confident' or 'ambitious', it's always 'arrogant'. When a white guy acts cocky, it's "He's an arrogant git" and when a black guy acts cocky, it's "He's intimidating other candidates."
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Just because they happened to be black and they happened to be the least liked, doesn't mean that had anything to do with it. They were my least favourites in the series as well, not because they were black, but because I didn't think they were very good. Does that make me racist? There have been other black candidates I have liked, it's not my fault if the two worst candidates just happened to be black.
I'm not saying all who said negative things about them are racists either. Of course, It is possible to dislike a black person and not be racist. However, some of the comments that were made in the old threads especially about Mohammed describing him as a "gangster" would lead one to suspect racist overtones in such comments, reinforcing stereotypes about young black men as all being gangsters or wannabe gangsters - nothing said about his performance on a task. Although like the other boys he was well presented in appearance and did not exhibit any behaviour to warrant this description, it did not stop the ignorant, crass comments of this nature directed towards him. |
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Everytime i see him i think 'Check Tiote'.
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As far as I can see, he either took an active part, which irritated some candidates, or took a backseat, which irritated some candidates. Other candidates were less active than he was, but they aren't being branded as 'lazy'. Why is that?