I don't think there's any excuse for miming at a live show. Its like defrauding their fans 
Miming
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Originally Posted by Histeria:
“Well, that depends on perspective. I would consider the job of a singer to be "singing". The rest is all a part of the machine.
Should be noted that miming can be damaging for a career. A couple of years ago Shania Twain mimed at the Superbowl halftime show, followed by a very live No Doubt. Can we guess what happened to record sales of both acts immediately afterwards?”
“Well, that depends on perspective. I would consider the job of a singer to be "singing". The rest is all a part of the machine.
Should be noted that miming can be damaging for a career. A couple of years ago Shania Twain mimed at the Superbowl halftime show, followed by a very live No Doubt. Can we guess what happened to record sales of both acts immediately afterwards?”
Miming at the Superbowl, all facilities provided, is not the same as miming on a daily 'TV for the jobless' show.
I think everyone agrees it is unnacceptable to do this at a concert/large event, but on GMTV (or whatever it was)? Please.
Originally Posted by Ratinho:
“I don't think 'El Divo' ( need to go around demanding to sing live, as they have nothing to prove. I'm not keen on their music, but there is no doubt they are very talented.”
“I don't think 'El Divo' ( need to go around demanding to sing live, as they have nothing to prove. I'm not keen on their music, but there is no doubt they are very talented.”
I think a group whose first album has just come out and charted pretTy well has an awful lot to prove if they want a loNg term career,
Last edited by Histeria : 16-12-2004 at 16:17
Originally Posted by Ratinho:
“I think everyone agrees it is unnacceptable to do this at a concert/large event, but on GMTV (or whatever it was)? Please.”
“I think everyone agrees it is unnacceptable to do this at a concert/large event, but on GMTV (or whatever it was)? Please.”
Maybe a little hyperbole in that example, but just because it's on tabloid TV for the hard of thinking doesn't make it any more acceptable (at least to me) in it's principle.
Originally Posted by kizzie:
“Well I think as a guest on a TV programme its acceptable
BUT NEVER at a concert”
“Well I think as a guest on a TV programme its acceptable
BUT NEVER at a concert”
i agree. If i paid £20+ for a ticket, i dont want to see fakeness but the artist actually making an effort
Originally Posted by Ratinho:
“I see what your saying, but your right, I didn't see that point.
You need the talent and at least some history to dictate, and Will now has both. I don't think 'El Divo' (I think this thread eminates from Jonathon fans in a mood because they didn't win, and El Divo are selling albums) need to go around demanding to sing live, as they have nothing to prove. I'm not keen on their music, but there is no doubt they are very talented.
And the Sneddon kid sucked ass, just on a lighter, more definitive side of things.”
“I see what your saying, but your right, I didn't see that point.
You need the talent and at least some history to dictate, and Will now has both. I don't think 'El Divo' (I think this thread eminates from Jonathon fans in a mood because they didn't win, and El Divo are selling albums) need to go around demanding to sing live, as they have nothing to prove. I'm not keen on their music, but there is no doubt they are very talented.
And the Sneddon kid sucked ass, just on a lighter, more definitive side of things.”
No - This thread eminates from me being interested in what people think abouyt miming. I asked that people refrained from discussing the "potential" miming of X Factor
What I or others think about G4 isn't the question in this thread 
I have read through this thread with interest and was surprised to see that no-one mentioned the "you can't sing and dance at the same time" argument!
I was about to say - "Yes you can" Will does it to great effect in his current arena tour!
I was about to say - "Yes you can" Will does it to great effect in his current arena tour!
Originally Posted by June:
“I have read through this thread with interest and was surprised to see that no-one mentioned the "you can't sing and dance at the same time" argument!
I was about to say - "Yes you can" Will does it to great effect in his current arena tour!”
“I have read through this thread with interest and was surprised to see that no-one mentioned the "you can't sing and dance at the same time" argument!
I was about to say - "Yes you can" Will does it to great effect in his current arena tour!”
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, i knew there was something I was going to say!
A lot of you say that u dont agree with miming, but what about big stars like Britney who do really energetic dance routines? Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance!
But for people who dont do any dancing, whats their excuse for miming?
Originally Posted by shell1981:
“Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, i knew there was something I was going to say!
A lot of you say that u dont agree with miming, but what about big stars like Britney who do really energetic dance routines? Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance!
But for people who dont do any dancing, whats their excuse for miming?”
“Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, i knew there was something I was going to say!
A lot of you say that u dont agree with miming, but what about big stars like Britney who do really energetic dance routines? Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance!
But for people who dont do any dancing, whats their excuse for miming?
”
I honestly don't think that is much of an excuse.If they want to dance......fine..... but its a bit simplistic to pretend to sing at the same time.If they can't do it,I don't see the point in pretending otherwise.The audience members aren't stupid.
I think acts which do full blown dance routines for long periods of time can get away with miming here and there. It is also important to rember that lots of songs will have backing tracks which often include the artists' voices, so there will be bits they can't sing live (as you can't sing two melodies at the same time, however gifted you are). But there is no point in miming when singing acapella, unless in an odd space for sound (or outside on a windy day!) It is like a rap artist miming!
Just on the debate re Il Divo and G4 miming. I saw neither, and have never heard Il Divo sing, but I would think it unlikely that classically trained singers would mime out of choice. re their throats and cheeks wobbling - when people 'mime', they are actually singing, it is just that their mic is turned off. It sounds real wierd if you are in the studio, as it sounds like they singing along with themsleves; TV audiences, though, won't hear them.
Also, classical singers sometimes look like their miming when they are DEFINITELY not, as they are trained to breathe and prepare the words in ways which look a little odd to people used to seeing 'pop' or 'soul' singers. It helps you fill large arens without a mic.
Just on the debate re Il Divo and G4 miming. I saw neither, and have never heard Il Divo sing, but I would think it unlikely that classically trained singers would mime out of choice. re their throats and cheeks wobbling - when people 'mime', they are actually singing, it is just that their mic is turned off. It sounds real wierd if you are in the studio, as it sounds like they singing along with themsleves; TV audiences, though, won't hear them.
Also, classical singers sometimes look like their miming when they are DEFINITELY not, as they are trained to breathe and prepare the words in ways which look a little odd to people used to seeing 'pop' or 'soul' singers. It helps you fill large arens without a mic.
Originally Posted by richirwin:
“I think acts which do full blown dance routines for long periods of time can get away with miming here and there. It is also important to rember that lots of songs will have backing tracks which often include the artists' voices, so there will be bits they can't sing live (as you can't sing two melodies at the same time, however gifted you are). But there is no point in miming when singing acapella, unless in an odd space for sound (or outside on a windy day!) It is like a rap artist miming!
Just on the debate re Il Divo and G4 miming. I saw neither, and have never heard Il Divo sing, but I would think it unlikely that classically trained singers would mime out of choice. re their throats and cheeks wobbling - when people 'mime', they are actually singing, it is just that their mic is turned off. It sounds real wierd if you are in the studio, as it sounds like they singing along with themsleves; TV audiences, though, won't hear them.
Also, classical singers sometimes look like their miming when they are DEFINITELY not, as they are trained to breathe and prepare the words in ways which look a little odd to people used to seeing 'pop' or 'soul' singers. It helps you fill large arens without a mic.”
“I think acts which do full blown dance routines for long periods of time can get away with miming here and there. It is also important to rember that lots of songs will have backing tracks which often include the artists' voices, so there will be bits they can't sing live (as you can't sing two melodies at the same time, however gifted you are). But there is no point in miming when singing acapella, unless in an odd space for sound (or outside on a windy day!) It is like a rap artist miming!
Just on the debate re Il Divo and G4 miming. I saw neither, and have never heard Il Divo sing, but I would think it unlikely that classically trained singers would mime out of choice. re their throats and cheeks wobbling - when people 'mime', they are actually singing, it is just that their mic is turned off. It sounds real wierd if you are in the studio, as it sounds like they singing along with themsleves; TV audiences, though, won't hear them.
Also, classical singers sometimes look like their miming when they are DEFINITELY not, as they are trained to breathe and prepare the words in ways which look a little odd to people used to seeing 'pop' or 'soul' singers. It helps you fill large arens without a mic.”
AHHHHH Thank you , Thats what I was asking about Jon
his lips seem to move different from the sound coming out
and I wondered ( as I'm not a great classical watcher
) whether it was normal or was he miming And you have answered it perfectly thank you
And also i think you answered the IL Divo one as well
because I'm sure you cant do all that facial wobbling( for wont of a better word lol) if miming I'm sure
So all in all for me a very good post !!!!
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“Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance! ”
“Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance! ”
But that is my point. Will danced and sang - obviously not a full blown dance but a dance nonetheless. For instance at the beginning of his Arena concert he did a dance with 8 dancers which lasted quite a long time and then launched into "Friday's Child" with no loss of quality. He carried on dancing during the song too. And it was the same for many of the up tempo numbers.
I know you asked us not to use X-Factor acts in the thread, but I am going to use G4 as an example. I don't believe that G4 type acts (i.e. classical / opera based acts in the public eye) can afford to sing live when doing multiple appearances in a day. their voices will not stand it.
I've sat through rehearsals of classical concerts and the tenors / sopranos whisper the words - to save their voice for the full performance in the evening.
If I'd paid £50 or whatever to see G4 / Il Divo (whoever) in concert, I wouldn't be happy if their voices were rubbish because they had sung live on GMTV & Richard & Judy the same day. Having said the above, I do dislike miming - there's no need. If you don't want to sing live, play the video
What annoys me most is the pathetic attempts the TV shows go to to convince us the artists are singing live. Let us see the video - it would be more honest and probably more entertaining. I don't see the point of miming - other than it gives the band something to do whilst the song is played.
As for miming at a concert where people have paid to see - there is just no excuse - disgusting
I've sat through rehearsals of classical concerts and the tenors / sopranos whisper the words - to save their voice for the full performance in the evening.
If I'd paid £50 or whatever to see G4 / Il Divo (whoever) in concert, I wouldn't be happy if their voices were rubbish because they had sung live on GMTV & Richard & Judy the same day. Having said the above, I do dislike miming - there's no need. If you don't want to sing live, play the video
What annoys me most is the pathetic attempts the TV shows go to to convince us the artists are singing live. Let us see the video - it would be more honest and probably more entertaining. I don't see the point of miming - other than it gives the band something to do whilst the song is played.
As for miming at a concert where people have paid to see - there is just no excuse - disgusting
Just a question - when they mime do they actually sing at all, even faintly ? - or just open their mouths with no sound coming out ?
Originally Posted by shell1981:
“Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, i knew there was something I was going to say!
A lot of you say that u dont agree with miming, but what about big stars like Britney who do really energetic dance routines? Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance!
But for people who dont do any dancing, whats their excuse for miming?”
“Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, i knew there was something I was going to say!
A lot of you say that u dont agree with miming, but what about big stars like Britney who do really energetic dance routines? Doing that kind of dancing takes your breath so I doubt that they would sound too good singing live! They get away with it though because they put on a good performance!
But for people who dont do any dancing, whats their excuse for miming?
”
I think during fast dancing routines, there is an excuse for miming or they sound crap. Personally I would prefer them not to dance (they have people for that) in a live concert but perform their songs to their best ability vocally. It would sort some out. This is something out of contect but I saw Luther Vandross live and as somebody who adores his voice and music I was dissappointed because he over produced his songs which is an American thing but does slip in now and again. On the other hand I have heard Bruce Springstein and Travis sing with no backing at all and they were awesome. Guess who I now prefer
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