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Why is Denise a better dancer than James?
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Kewpee
17-11-2012
I want to like Denise, in fact I started out doing so, but I feel like I'm being conned, like I'm expected to swallow some fallacy that she had no idea about dancing until Strictly.

She knows about posture, about arm placement, about stance and staging.

She is so obviously much better than any of the others and has been from day one.

because of that I don't look forward to watching her, I have no expectation of her, she perfoms as she always has since day one. There's no degree of improvement, or any showing that she has improved, because she has never had to.

Because of this I can't support her or want her anyhwere near the final, it's all too coy a performance duing every interview, playing the innocent .

I don't dislike her, I just don't look forward to her dance, and I feel it's increasing unfair on those that have worked hard to get to a better level from where they staarted.

Kimbery, Louis, Dani...all work hard, even Michael, but they will never be top of the leader board, unless it's in a shared place with Denise.

It makes the contest a done deal.

A bit like one of the Hairy Bikers going on Masterchef. They've not been classically trained, but have been cooking to a certain level for some time.

Tonight she out danced James in a dance that is all about dacning in a character performance. It just proved my point to me.
pennybel
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Forget-me-not:
“Charlston is not part of the ballroom canon so James is not an expert in it, put that with the fact that Denise is a showgirl with some dance experience so in this dance it is not surprising she can match him.

I just wish she wouldn't spend every week saying how hard it is and she doesn't know if she is going to get the dance when we all know she is going to come out with a technically good dance every week.”

I totally agree with with that
Tango Charlie
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“I want to like Denise, in fact I started out doing so, but I feel like I'm being conned, like I'm expected to swallow some fallacy that she had no idea about dancing until Strictly.

She knows about posture, about arm placement, about stance and staging.

She is so obviously much better than any of the others and has been from day one.

because of that I don't look forward to watching her, I have no expectation of her, she perfoms as she always has since day one. There's no degree of improvement, or any showing that she has improved, because she has never had to.

Because of this I can't support her or want her anyhwere near the final, it's all too coy a performance duing every interview, playing the innocent .

I don't dislike her, I just don't look forward to her dance, and I feel it's increasing unfair on those that have worked hard to get to a better level from where they staarted.

Kimbery, Louis, Dani...all work hard, even Michael, but they will never be top of the leader board, unless it's in a shared place with Denise.

It makes the contest a done deal.

A bit like one of the Hairy Bikers going on Masterchef. They've not been classically trained, but have been cooking to a certain level for some time.

Tonight she out danced James in a dance that is all about dacning in a character performance. It just proved my point to me.”

This post sums it all up for me. Denise is paid (what I assume is) a large amount of money to dance in shows. So I would expect her to perform a showdance well. Charleston is a show dance. For her, it's another good day at the office.

It's like watching Duncan Ballatyne or Theo Paphitis competing in The Apprentice.
fredster
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Cottontail:
“I shall now go and hide from people saying she only trained a few years and it was sooo long ago”

I love denise and tonight she was brilliant. She does have the advantage in that dancing infront of the public does not bother her.Wembley must have been pretty daunting for some of them.
ewoodie
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“You really do have a problem (and not just with Denise). How nasty.”

Goodness knows how you get that from my post. After all, it's you who made assumptions about that post. That isn't my fault. It's yours. I'm not sure you should be calling other posters nasty on the basis of what goes on in your mind. It looks like it's you who has a problem. Warped.
Stockingfiller
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“Goodness knows how you get that from my post. After all, it's you who made assumptions about that post. That isn't my fault. It's yours. I'm not sure you should be calling other posters nasty on the basis of what goes on in your mind. It looks like it's you who has a problem. Warped. ”

I don't think the poster has a problem. Your post did, seem snide.

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ewoodie
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“I don't think the poster has a problem. Your post did, seem snide.

.”

Snide? Even with an exclamation mark!!!!! Ah well, it's what you make of it.
SueDevon
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“I want to like Denise, in fact I started out doing so, but I feel like I'm being conned, like I'm expected to swallow some fallacy that she had no idea about dancing until Strictly.

She knows about posture, about arm placement, about stance and staging.

She is so obviously much better than any of the others and has been from day one.

because of that I don't look forward to watching her, I have no expectation of her, she perfoms as she always has since day one. There's no degree of improvement, or any showing that she has improved, because she has never had to.

Because of this I can't support her or want her anyhwere near the final, it's all too coy a performance duing every interview, playing the innocent .

I don't dislike her, I just don't look forward to her dance, and I feel it's increasing unfair on those that have worked hard to get to a better level from where they staarted.

Kimbery, Louis, Dani...all work hard, even Michael, but they will never be top of the leader board, unless it's in a shared place with Denise.

It makes the contest a done deal.

A bit like one of the Hairy Bikers going on Masterchef. They've not been classically trained, but have been cooking to a certain level for some time.

Tonight she out danced James in a dance that is all about dacning in a character performance. It just proved my point to me.”

This.
Stockingfiller
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“Snide? Even with an exclamation mark!!!!! Ah well, it's what you make of it. ”

Even if it had bells and ribbons on it.
bornfree
17-11-2012
Because she is better trained than James.
ewoodie
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“Even if it had bells and ribbons on it. ”



What vivid imaginations some of you have!!
Cottontail
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Tango Charlie:
“This post sums it all up for me. Denise is paid (what I assume is) a large amount of money to dance in shows. So I would expect her to perform a showdance well. Charleston is a show dance. For her, it's another good day at the office.

It's like watching Duncan Ballatyne or Theo Paphitis competing in The Apprentice.”

Brilliant, sums it up completely!
Stockingfiller
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“

What vivid imaginations some of you have!!”

It beats having a one track mind.
Cottontail
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“It beats having a one track mind.”

Eh?
Button62
17-11-2012
The Ringer outdanced the Pro tonight.

3 tens and considering they had help with the choreo for the Charleston .... well, James didn't really do a lot to earn those scores did he ?

Denise is a fabulous dancer, but then I knew she would be before the first show. Bringing back the dance off is a way to keep good dancers in, but having said that the public decide on final night ..... the public may prefer someone who has improved to someone who has danced like a pro from week one.
norbitonite
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“
She knows about posture, about arm placement, about stance and staging.

She is so obviously much better than any of the others and has been from day one.

because of that I don't look forward to watching her, I have no expectation of her, she perfoms as she always has since day one.”

You seem to have a very high and defined expectation of her.
Caramel Crunch
17-11-2012
I thought James was very ungracious not crediting the outside choreographer when the judges praised it.
Kewpee
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“You seem to have a very high and defined expectation of her.”

No I don't
bornfree
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Button62:
“The Ringer outdanced the Pro tonight.

3 tens and considering they had help with the choreo for the Charleston .... well, James didn't really do a lot to earn those scores did he ?

Denise is a fabulous dancer, but then I knew she would be before the first show. Bringing back the dance off is a way to keep good dancers in, but having said that the public decide on final night ..... the public may prefer someone who has improved to someone who has danced like a pro from week one.”

IMO they are both professional dancers.
Stockingfiller
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Cottontail:
“Eh?
”

It's a well known expression. One track - like a train that can only go one way or a path that leads only one way. In the days of records pre tapes and CD's it would be the same track playing over and over repeatedly.
Cottontail
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by tortoiseperson:
“Maybe James is still feeling the effects of his injury (yes I know he didn't hurt his NECK ...)”

Lol lol or rather hardy hardy ha!
norbitonite
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“No I don't ”

Your original posts seems to imply that you expect her to perform well because of her knowledge of various techniques and also because she has performed well every week. Perhaps you have no expectation of her being able to surprise you, but you certainly seem to expect that she will perform well.
ewoodie
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“It beats having a one track mind.”

Shhh.. Finger on lips.
Stockingfiller
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Caramel Crunch:
“I thought James was very ungracious not crediting the outside choreographer when the judges praised it.”

Eh ? He's the one who mentioned the outside choreographers in the first place !
natalian
17-11-2012
Originally Posted by Cottontail:
“I shall now go and hide from people saying she only trained a few years and it was sooo long ago”

She isn't better than James
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