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Nicky & Karen Jive
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poshtamfan
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“It looked great in training. But he couldn't repeat that on the show.

So it was not Karens fault in a million years.”

He didn't wear these awful shoes in training for a start. They were completely flat and the soles looks so stiff they were incapable of bending. Even when he walked or should I say flapped across to the judges they looked ridiculous. He would have been far better to wear normal dance shoes. They looked enormous on his feet.
Seymour
18-11-2012
Bless Nicky, he is trying ..but imho will never be a great dancer, he seem to dance with gay abandon....legs and arms akimbo....
HHGTTG
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by Seymour:
“Bless Nicky, he is trying ..but imho will never be a great dancer, he seem to dance with gay abandon....legs and arms akimbo....”

He doesn't straighten his legs, despite being told about this. Perhaps he physically can't.
Monaogg
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by HHGTTG:
“He doesn't straighten his legs, despite being told about this. Perhaps he physically can't.”

Darcey picked up on this. May be from too much stool sitting.

Also agree the shoes did not help as they were so flat. As for Len, if someone is meant to be dancing a Jive mark them down for doing Rock & Roll, don't use it as an excuse to over mark.
Dawn101
18-11-2012
I didn't think it was his worst dance to date but i just cannot take to Karen I dont think she's up to the high standard of the other proffessionals and also works too hard on making herself look good when she should be trying to make Nicky look the best that he can be (in my opnion)
It's a shame as I think that if he had got a better partner maybe someone like Natalie or Ola he would be a bit better but I do agree that there's something not right with his legs.
Helbrown
18-11-2012
I'm an Elvis fan, and I always find JR difficult to dance to. But anyone who wears an Elvis wig and takes the P deserves to go.....
teeswolf
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“He didn't wear these awful shoes in training for a start. They were completely flat and the soles looks so stiff they were incapable of bending. Even when he walked or should I say flapped across to the judges they looked ridiculous. He would have been far better to wear normal dance shoes. They looked enormous on his feet.”

Quite agree. My point was there was nothing wrong with the routine, and criticism of Karen is totally unjustified.
fatskia
18-11-2012
It looked better in training.

Austin had a great Jive that Erin choreographed and Lilia tried to stretch it out to adapt it for the Tour when she and Austin paired up. It made it worse, so if Lilia can't stretch a Jive and make it work, I think its a recipe for failure to do it.

They would have been better just dancing it as they did in training, but maybe they were not allowed to.
jiroos
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by siriusrose:
“How on Earth is he an "arrogant little git", have you ever met the bloke? He certainly doesn't come across like that to me at all, he thought he was going home last week for starters, that's not the mindset of someone with arrogance.”

Precisely this - arrogant and DRIVEN are two different things entirely.

Originally Posted by bloggingbelle:
“His shoes looked odd - not suited to bounce”

I noticed this too.

As a Nicky fan, I must admit I was disappointed overall. For me, the routine did look much better in training and on the night Nicky danced better than Karen which really says a lot.

In general, he gets brutal (if honest) criticism where others waltz (every pun intended) through - you know who you are Lisa. Under those circumstances, I still don't see any arrogance in him and think he is just very hard on himself. He seems like a very likeable, genuine bloke and I totally understand the poster who bought up the point about Nicky asking after Johnny.

I really fear he may be in the bottom 2 this week with Richard and may even lose to him. Sad though I'd be, what better place to leave the competition than his spiritual "home"?
SheShe
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by girlcrisis:
“Part of me thinks that he makes Karen look bad as a teacher because he's not really interested in listening to her or learning the proper technique. I also think that's why she focuses on choreographing routines that put more emphasis on the performance than the dance content.

I could be wrong. It would be interesting to see her come back for a second series and see how she does with a different celebrity.”


I've thought that too. I thought that jive was poor. Don't see any chemistry between these two at all.
Tiggywink
19-11-2012
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Mud sticks unfortunately and I suspect Bruno's first week critique of how Nicky spent the routine concentrating on capturing his best side in the studio lights instead of on the actual dancing has prejudiced a lot of viewers' thinking. Once you're given a label like that it is very hard to shift, especially if you haven't got the dancing skill to win people over.

Nicky is obviously able to laugh at himself - he and Michael appear to have become good friends, despite (or because of) the fact Michael ran with the vanity theme by insisting Nicky doesn't go anywhere without a mirror. And when not talking to script, Nicky seems a nice guy and very real. For example, during an ITT interview, when Zoe mentioned "Dad" he immediately asked how Johnny was. It was spontaneous, a complete reflex and genuine too. Far from the vain, 'all about me', persona some people perceive in Nicky.”

Thanks for that Smokey - that is unfair if it was Bruno's "fault". But anyway, maybe it also has to do with the fact that his profi partner doesn't havemuch following.
poshtamfan
19-11-2012
Originally Posted by SheShe:
“I've thought that too. I thought that jive was poor. Don't see any chemistry between these two at all.”

I challenge anyone to perform in those ridiculous shoes/boots.
They did not look comfortable to walk in. I am sure if he had been with one of the established pros they would have protested but Karen is new and inexperienced so she would not want to argue with wardrobe. I think there is loads of chemistry when it matters on the dance floor. No they are not part of the Luvy set. Not every nationality goes in for hugging etc people other than their own families. One of the reasons I like this pair. No acting, no pretending they will be bosom buddies for the rest of their lives. Hardly ever happens. There are exceptions of course. I think Ian and Zoe are still good friends but that is unusual. Most of the time people get on well but go their separate ways when Strictly is cover.
Mystical123
19-11-2012
Originally Posted by nellyxfactor:
“Cant believe how bad their jive was tonite and Karen was not much better than Nicky ”

I have to agree, I thought Nicky was much worse than he looked in training, and I still don't rate Karen as a choreographer or a dancer. If she wasn't dancing down to his level (which she shouldn't have been because it would only make him look even worse) then she was seriously below-par in their jive.

He would have been lucky to get a 6 if I was judging, the technique was once again all over the place.
poshtamfan
20-11-2012
Karen Hardy agreed with Len. She said Nicky and Karen's music was too fast for a proper jive. Craig was wrong again just as he was wrong about the content of their rumba when he gave them 4. I never liked the way Craig spoke to the contestants but I used to respect his views. Not any more. He picks up every fault Nicky has but ignores faults in others. He penalised them in their rumba for lack of content while others get praised for the routine's entertainment value. Double standards Craig. Not impressed.
fatskia
20-11-2012
Karen Hardy made the point that when the music is fast you dont do a full kick and retraction but instead do a smaller flick. The point being that Craig was wrong in what he said Nicky should have done.

You can see Karen doing the smaller flicks at times in this Jive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL2x_Yvm2xQ
vibbles
20-11-2012
I did enjoy the jive, what I don't understand is having listened to Karen tonight how did Craig get it so wrong, surely He must have seen it was a Rock and Roll jive
Miriam_R
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by PinkyPig:
“He puts me in mind of craig Kelly!”

I think Craig was in a league of his own. He at times was just so deluded. Nicky I don't think is of the same mindset, he just maybe doesn't realise that looking like you enjoy yourself and really going for it in a dance doesn't equate to executing something technically well.
Tissy
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“Karen Hardy agreed with Len. She said Nicky and Karen's music was too fast for a proper jive. Craig was wrong again just as he was wrong about the content of their rumba when he gave them 4. I never liked the way Craig spoke to the contestants but I used to respect his views. Not any more. He picks up every fault Nicky has but ignores faults in others. He penalised them in their rumba for lack of content while others get praised for the routine's entertainment value. Double standards Craig. Not impressed. ”

He is the same with Louis most weeks too

I thought it was only Louis he treated this way so will have to watch out for him and Nicky next week.
tangoqueen
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I have to agree, I thought Nicky was much worse than he looked in training, and I still don't rate Karen as a choreographer or a dancer. If she wasn't dancing down to his level (which she shouldn't have been because it would only make him look even worse) then she was seriously below-par in their jive.

He would have been lucky to get a 6 if I was judging, the technique was once again all over the place.”

I agree Mystical that Nicky looked worse on the night than in training. I also think that it should not have been a rock and roll style jive! you don't have to dance rock and roll to this song (see clip below!). It has been a separate dance on Strictly - 2009 Ricky Whittle and Chris Hollins so is not in the tens dances they are supposed to be doing. I haven't liked Karen's choreo (except the qs) - but I DO rate her as a Latin dancer - she was particularly outstanding in Burn the Floor. I just don't think she has come across well on Strictly so far. Partly because I agree with many that Nicky never even looks at her - there's no chemistry at all and although I really love her, I don't like the partnership.

Matt told me once that you have to dance down to your celeb because they can't do what you can do - as you saw in the pro tour how the pros can really dance, or look back to when they were competing - example here of a jive to Jailhouse Rock where he is clearly dancing way off his ability to choreography that Christine could do. They have to match them as a visual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVrASR6ZAvU

I just think Nicky is flat footed and doesn't seem to execute the techniques we have seen Karen telling him about. And that is his fault. I have seen that Karen has tried to teach him the correct technique - same with Natalie and Michael - but look how Michael, in the beginning a truly shocking dancer, has listened and put those things into action whereas Nicky has not.

For that jive, overall I gave it a very generous 5! And that was pushing it!
tangoqueen
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“Karen Hardy agreed with Len. She said Nicky and Karen's music was too fast for a proper jive. Craig was wrong again just as he was wrong about the content of their rumba when he gave them 4. I never liked the way Craig spoke to the contestants but I used to respect his views. Not any more. He picks up every fault Nicky has but ignores faults in others. He penalised them in their rumba for lack of content while others get praised for the routine's entertainment value. Double standards Craig. Not impressed. ”

Not true - same tempo - and classic jive done to this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVrASR6ZAvU
CaroUK
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“Karen Hardy agreed with Len. She said Nicky and Karen's music was too fast for a proper jive. Craig was wrong again just as he was wrong about the content of their rumba when he gave them 4. I never liked the way Craig spoke to the contestants but I used to respect his views. Not any more. He picks up every fault Nicky has but ignores faults in others. He penalised them in their rumba for lack of content while others get praised for the routine's entertainment value. Double standards Craig. Not impressed. ”

Craig isn't qualified to judge ballroom dancing - and its things like this which show up his lack of knowledge.

Its not surprising that some of the pros have made comments about his comments and marks - even the normally quiet Flavia made some comment about Craig after 6 gate - she basically said said he didn't know what he was talking about in a very nice way!

Anyone who can mark someone down for an excellent dance with a thumb sticking up whilst overmarking others who make massive mistakes because they are "fun" really doesn't deserve respect anyway.
olivej
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by FunkyFoxtrot:
“It wasn't that bad, either that or you was watching a different jive to me.”

it was that bad!!!! Nicky was flatfooted and stompy and Karen wasnt much better in all honesty.

I was at Wembely and during the dance off I made a point of just looking at her feet - dreadful!
Lorelei Lee
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“Not true - same tempo - and classic jive done to this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVrASR6ZAvU”

Ewww...I remember hating that jive, but more because of the celebrity performing it than anything else

Point stands though - I know Karen was the world jive champion or whatever the proper title is, but I thought saying you couldn't do classic jive to JR was pushing it a bit. That's the second time (after the rumba comments) that Karen's stuck her neck out for Nicky and I do think he might be a bit of a favourite of hers.

Interesting point about the boots Nicky was wearing - perhaps it would all have looked a bit less stuck to the ground in decent shoes.
Liliaprincess
21-11-2012
I'm actually feeling a bit sorry for Nicky as he looks to have lots of potential. He has energy, musicality and seems to be taking it seriously. I just think that Karen isn't teaching him properly. True his kicks and flicks were not correct but I wouldn't be surprised if she hadn't even told him he was doing it wrong.

If he had any other professional I think he would be improving each week.
tangoqueen
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“Ewww...I remember hating that jive, but more because of the celebrity performing it than anything else

Point stands though - I know Karen was the world jive champion or whatever the proper title is, but I thought saying you couldn't do classic jive to JR was pushing it a bit. That's the second time (after the rumba comments) that Karen's stuck her neck out for Nicky and I do think he might be a bit of a favourite of hers.

Interesting point about the boots Nicky was wearing - perhaps it would all have looked a bit less stuck to the ground in decent shoes.”

I felt a bit differently LL because I was the guest of her and Matt that night lol ! she's always been such a sweetheart to me - she is really kind and lovely! but...I understand lol - I can't stand people sometimes who other people find fantastic.

yes the point does stand - I do think sometimes they just say what fits that year to please people - do you remember in the first 3 or 4 series Len would go positively apoplectic (sp?!) if anyone deviated from what the dance should be - and now....it's hit and miss depending on whether he favours the celeb or not!

I'll go back and check those boots out - but Karen Hardy? shut up!
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