Re Craig, so do I! He really needs to confine himself to critiques on the show and to stop the meddling. All it takes is one vote to drop a place on the voters' leaderboard after all.

With Denise, it's not the previous experience that is the problem, it's her denial/dismissal of it at a time when first impressions were everything to the potential popularity of a contestant. The 'chair' comment may have been a flippant reply to someone's question but it has given the impression of deceit unfortunately and that's what is remembered.

I was surprised to see you arguing the point against me. I searched for your username and lo and behold found posts which are spiteful, overwhelmingly negative and some extremely personal and nasty.

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I could go on, there are literally pages of this venom. There are literally pages of many others posters who post continually on the same threads. For example; Katie price threads, Cheryl Cole threads or others who spread their venom around a little.


So the argument you made was completely without merit and considering the source should really be taken with a large pinch of salt.

lol nice try but I see no evidence of a sustained hateful campaign against any individual there. If I were trying to claim I was making neutral objective comments about a situation or a person then it turned out that I had hundreds of previous posts attacking that same person then you might have a point.

I agree with you. I've watched all the Strictly series, and I don't really engage with Denise at all. She's good, but only in a group where the standard is actually quite low. Previous winners (Kara Toynton is the one I remember) have been a lot better.

LOL Ha Ha. Trying to wriggle out of it!


Well, you don't set the criteria around here. Who cares about your so-called campaigns? The point is that you are guilty of posting plenty of spite and bile and spreading it around. So don't bother trying and to wheedle your way out of it again.

I agree. As a judge, it's not his place to make such comments. It also makes you wonder if the judges know the outcome of the vote. And it makes you wonder if the celebs & pros do too:

[quote]Denise Van Outen worries about not making the Strictly Come Dancing 2012 final, despite huge scores from the judges.Denise scored the highest marks of the series on Saturday night and the first tens so far this year with 39 points out of 40 for her Charleston....... And Denise apparently fears her lack of public support could cost her a place in the final.
“Denise saw this as her last chance as a big, high-profile TV gig. She was overheard stressing she didn’t have enough time to train with James,” a source said. The insider claimed that Denise was finding the moves easy, but feared after Kimberley was in the bottom two that she could also miss out on the final. “Previously Denise was tweeting about finding the moves tough, but compared to some of the others it was actually breeze for her.” The source added: “Now this has given her a knock and she’s scared if she doesn’t get to the final.” [/QUOTE

There's some odd things in that quote. It sounds like Denise knows the outcome of the public vote. Why doesn't she have enough time to train? The insider isn't be very kind when they say Denise is tweeting she found it tough. but actually is finding it easy comapred to the others. I wonder what she is expecting from her 'last chance as a big, high-profile TV gig'? A chance to save her career?

I assume you are deliberately missing the point to try and draw attention from your history of hatred against Denise.

You can try to divert all you like, but I think it's clear to everyone that you have an agenda against Denise and as such your opinions on her participation in the show are largely irrelevant.

I would say 300+ negative posts about the same person over several years and numerous different topics borders on an unhealthy obsession, no amount of your childish tit for tat nonsense can disguise that.

And I agree too!

I like her as a contestant, as I do most of the others, but I don't think she's as good as some people on here claim. She's nowhere near professional level & that argument falls flat purely on her standard of dancing, let alone the lack of serious dance training & dance roles on her CV.

Her Cha Cha Cha was a bit wooden & she didn't get the hip movement; & while everyone raved about her Charleston, I didn't think it was particularly good. (But I dislike Charlestons anyway so I'm not a good judge).

Ironically, the youtube footage that posters have dug out to show she's a pro dancer - have showed me that she's neither that experienced or that amazing.

I think the bitching is more about projecting stereotypes onto her rather than her dancing itself.

I think she, Louis, Kimberly are pretty even in terms ability - they all have their strong & weak points; & Dani too - although I can't say I get as worked up about Dani as the judges do.

I think the competition's wide open at this point.

As an ardent critic of DVO's participation in the show(not of her personally), I have followed all the threads, taken a fresh look at the issues, and decided on one final post - just to get it off my chest.
My better half and I watch strictly avidly every week, and when the dances are taking place we comment, criticise and rave with the rest of the nation. When DVO is on there is silence. We expect it to be excellent, not perfection but close. We are not surprised or ever likely to be. The judges struggle to find errors. This couple was scoring 32/40 prior to the first elimination of the series. Their video clips of their training are embarrassing, verging on unwatchable, with overdone claims of nervousness and "struggling" with the choreography, totally lacking credilbility which turn into 10's on a Saturday night.
All that said - she cannot win.
Had the BBC announced during the summer that the new female judge on the panel was to be Denise Van Outen, what would the public reaction have been?- WHAT!!!!!!!- DENISE VAN OUTEN - WHAT THE #### DOES SHE KNOW ABOUT BALLROOM DANCING?????? (probably alot more then we think).

We're obviously not watching the same show then, because I never expect excellence or perfection from her, & I have never seen it.

Your belief that she never struggles with the choreography or nerves is purely down to your own interpretation. You can have no idea what's going on inside her head, through a TV screen.

Personally, I think she has found some dances easier than others; I think she struggled with the Cha Cha Cha & the Charleston; I also think she has been genuinely nervous - who wouldn't be after learning a dance in a week & then performing it to an audience of 10 million?

The contestant who really stuck in my mind as not really struggling with any choreography was Harry.

This Saturday helped me put my finger on exactly what it is that makes me unable to warm to Denise. I enjoy Strictly when I see people being pushed out of their comfort zone and overcoming challenges. There are people like Louis who are technically skilled but need to lose their self-consciousness and become performers, there are people like Lisa who are natural performers but need to learn technique and then there are people like Michael who are doing something totally new that leaves them completely exposed. The excitement of the show comes in seeing a celebrity pull off a challenge. Denise is undoubtedly a very accomplished dancer but I feel she is operating totally within her comfort zone and there is no excitement to watching her perform.

thanks.

is it like a conspiracy - ie entered dishonestly by someone else for nefarious gain (eg by the bbc because she has a show starting on the bbc...)

or is she supposed to have dishonestly entered herself into the show... (eg by playing down her previous experience)

i don't believe the former and i don't believe or care about the latter mind...

I really couldn't care less. The posts including your own are out there in the public for all to see. I suspect you are now extremely embarrassed that you have been caught out for posting spiteful and nasty messages. I would advise you not to criticise others if don't like it when your own faults are pointed out.

I suggest you must guilty of a tit-for-tat and an unhealthy obsession as you are still engaging in this discussion.

Finally, may I point out that the DS forum is not for attacking other members? And until the mods take action, I shall no alternative but to defend myself against this vendetta and bullying.

Ewoo - you are apparently unaware of how you are come across: it's clear that you have a personal obsession with Denise.

Jambob's posts randomly criticised different people - she didn't focus on one person & obsess over them in at length the way you have done.

I've not seen any poster attack you, but if you're going to post relentless vitriol against 1 particular contestant then you have to accept that posters may complain about it, because it is quite boring for us to have to wade through...

Ok. I'm reporting the following posts to the mods and asking them to remove them. It seems to me this argument of Jambob's is going to get worse. I'm asking that all of Jambob's post and my replies are removed. Over to you mods.

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