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OMG Rylan- Miming and Weight jibe
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rivercity_rules
18-11-2012
Loved the comments, he's stood and taken the criticism each week with a laugh from Borelow, who is full of the personal attacks,

It was clearly a joke, and taken as one by every, except those out to find any reason to pick apart Rylan. His fans know he's not the best singer, or the brightest person, but it seems his haters enjoy picking on every bit of him they can, be it his image, his sexuality or taking things he says the wrong way on purpose, just to be offended.

How is he embarassing to the gay community? Should all gay men go on tv and act the opposite to the stereotype just to do some people "proud"?

Isn't he actually doing more for the gay community by being himself, not being afraid to try and hide his sexuality or the way he is, despite how it may be perceived?
LouisFelch
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“ How is he embarassing to the gay community? Should all gay men go on tv and act the opposite to the stereotype just to do some people "proud"?

Isn't he actually doing more for the gay community by being himself, not being afraid to try and hide his sexuality or the way he is, despite how it may be perceived?”

Well there's your answer; ''stereotype''. Rylan can't be himself as you suggest if he's also being a stereotype.
Sheechiibii
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by LouisFelch:
“Well there's your answer; ''stereotype''. Rylan can't be himself as you suggest if he's also being a stereotype. ”

You misunderstand what stereotypes are. They're not based on nothing, they come from people of a certain group acting a certain way and then other people comming to believe that all people in that group will act that way. That means that there has to be people who do fit the stereotype or it wouldn't exist in the first place.

Also, something I said in another thread: voting costs 35p it's not a lot of money, so people aren't exactly wasting a fortune by voting.
Shomofo
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by steve2013:
“I have to disagree most that mime can't infact sing. There's plenty of singers out there that have sold milions upon millions of records that are horrible singers live so rylan did have a point.”

The one that springs to mind most for this is Cheryl Cole!
She's Gary's best mate so the miming and auto-tune can't bother him that much as he has dueted with her (so must realise how bad she is!).
LouisFelch
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by Sheechiibii:
“You misunderstand what stereotypes are. They're not based on nothing, they come from people of a certain group acting a certain way and then other people comming to believe that all people in that group will act that way. That means that there has to be people who do fit the stereotype or it wouldn't exist in the first place.

Also, something I said in another thread: voting costs 35p it's not a lot of money, so people aren't exactly wasting a fortune by voting.”

Whoaaa mama! I think you misunderstand the term stereotype; its usual a negative projected on a person or group of people by other sections of society. Unfortunate examples; the Irish drink a lot, jewish people are money obsessed, Scottish people are miserly, German people are humourless, other races are lazy etc etc. There is absolutely NOTHING positive about a stereotype no matter what spin you try and put on it. Its a lazy offensive way of generalising people.
Sheechiibii
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by LouisFelch:
“Whoaaa mama! I think you misunderstand the term stereotype; its usual a negative projected on a person or group of people by other sections of society. Unfortunate examples; the Irish drink a lot, jewish people are money obsessed, Scottish people are miserly, German people are humourless, other races are lazy etc etc. There is absolutely NOTHING positive about a stereotype no matter what spin you try and put on it. Its a lazy offensive way of generalising people.”

Stereotyping is not by nature negative. It's just assumptions about a group of people, some are negative, some are positive. For example: gays are camp - that's a stereotype but it's not negative, women can multitask - a positive stereotype, Italians ar great cooks - anoter positive stereotype. And they come from a group of people doing or being or acting a certain way, and others assuming everyone in that group is the same.
LouisFelch
18-11-2012
=Sheechiibii;62419921 [QUOTE women can multitask - a positive stereotype.[/quote]

You had to get that in there didn't ya!
Sheechiibii
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by LouisFelch:
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You had to get that in there didn't ya!”

There are many examples of positive stereotypes. It's not negative or positive, it's what the assumption is that makes it good or bad. The issue at hand was whether or not Rylan was being himself. Just because he fits the stereotype, doesn't mean he is not being himself, because all stereotypes come about because there are people who fit them.
LouisFelch
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by Sheechiibii:
“There are many examples of positive stereotypes. It's not negative or positive, it's what the assumption is that makes it good or bad. The issue at hand was whether or not Rylan was being himself. Just because he fits the stereotype, doesn't mean he is not being himself, because all stereotypes come about because there are people who fit them.”

To see if he's being himself we'd have to watch all the other shows he's appeared on in his quest for fame. I think if he grew up in London or some other large city and saw a bit more of life and a wider community he wouldn't be as affected as he is. He, Paul O'Grady and Graham Norton are all examples of gay men who grow up in provincial towns with limited access to a wider society and instead identify with characters and performers on tv and film. That ain't me talking sh!te, its well documented.
Eve Elle
18-11-2012
I lol'ed!

Found it to be just a playful exchange, nothing to get butt hurt over.
staceyxxx23
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by LouisFelch:
“To see if he's being himself we'd have to watch all the other shows he's appeared on in his quest for fame. I think if he grew up in London or some other large city and saw a bit more of life and a wider community he wouldn't be as affected as he is. He, Paul O'Grady and Graham Norton are all examples of gay men who grow up in provincial towns with limited access to a wider society and instead identify with characters and performers on tv and film. That ain't me talking sh!te, its well documented.”

I've watched Signed By Katie Price and can confirm that he is being completely himself.

He's said himself; if he were that good at acting, he'd be in Hollywood by now.
Sheechiibii
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by LouisFelch:
“To see if he's being himself we'd have to watch all the other shows he's appeared on in his quest for fame. I think if he grew up in London or some other large city and saw a bit more of life and a wider community he wouldn't be as affected as he is. He, Paul O'Grady and Graham Norton are all examples of gay men who grow up in provincial towns with limited access to a wider society and instead identify with characters and performers on tv and film. That ain't me talking sh!te, its well documented.”

I don't think where you grow up has much effect on how you turn out as far as being camp or otherwise. I know a lot of people in the gay community, most of whom grew up in the same city, and they're all different. There are as many camp gays as not and it doesn't seem to depend on anything other than who they are as a person. They're not acting a cerain way because they've seen it on tv, they're just being who they are.
BlueStreak
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by LouisFelch:
“To see if he's being himself we'd have to watch all the other shows he's appeared on in his quest for fame. I think if he grew up in London or some other large city and saw a bit more of life and a wider community he wouldn't be as affected as he is. He, Paul O'Grady and Graham Norton are all examples of gay men who grow up in provincial towns with limited access to a wider society and instead identify with characters and performers on tv and film. That ain't me talking sh!te, its well documented.”

LOL! Essex is hardly the back of beyond........hell, they even have electricity there don't ya know
curvybabes
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“I lol'ed!

Found it to be just a playful exchange, nothing to get butt hurt over. ”

totally agree, Its all a bit of banter Rylan & Gary actually do get on
stated21
18-11-2012
IMO everyone stereotypes, if somebody was to say to someone who had not heard about or seen Rylan, that he is Gay and from Essex, everyone would have an image of him in their head, His from essex and cuz of TOWIE, more and more people stereotype essex people, I think his being himself
Eve Elle
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by curvybabes:
“ totally agree, Its all a bit of banter Rylan & Gary actually do get on”

If you ask me it's just want the show needs, a sense of fun.
curvybabes
18-11-2012
Yeah if it wasnt for Rylan it would have been so boring this year
Oldnjaded
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by ForGodsSake:
“Gary may have been fat, but he lost weight.
Rylan will always be ugly.”

Indeed. Rylan will also never be able to sing, write music or be famous for more than 5 minutes.

Cocky little tw*t.
GibsonSG
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by stated21:
“haha I loved the way Rylan put the cards on the table, telling Gary how it is, its true what he said about singers miming in the real world and then he digs a hole in Garys heart by saying his too skinny to be Gary, classic moment ”

Arrogant, disrespectful punk. Rylan that is.
LouisFelch
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“LOL! Essex is hardly the back of beyond........hell, they even have electricity there don't ya know ”

They clearly don't have mirrors though. He's actually from here, so not the sprawling metropolis you're suggesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corringham,_Essex
staceyxxx23
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Indeed. Rylan will also never be able to sing, write music or be famous for more than 5 minutes.

Cocky little tw*t. ”

Rylan can sing and write music actually. Plus his personality and image are 100000x better than Gary's will ever be. & You can't predict the future, so your last point is irrelevant.

Pretty ironic since Gary is one of the most cocky and arrogant celebrities of all time, while Rylan is one of the least; he's always convinced he's leaving the show each week.
JustArun
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by staceyxxx23:
“Rylan can sing and write music actually. Plus his personality and image are 100000x better than Gary's will ever be. & You can't predict the future, so your last point is irrelevant.

Pretty ironic since Gary is one of the most cocky and arrogant celebrities of all time, while Rylan is one of the least; he's always convinced he's leaving the show each week.”

Great post.
BlueStreak
18-11-2012
Originally Posted by staceyxxx23:
“Rylan can sing and write music actually. Plus his personality and image are 100000x better than Gary's will ever be. & You can't predict the future, so your last point is irrelevant.

Pretty ironic since Gary is one of the most cocky and arrogant celebrities of all time, while Rylan is one of the least; he's always convinced he's leaving the show each week.”

Well said.

'claps hands'

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