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Has Louis peaked?
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ESPIONdansant
20-11-2012
Alli, LOL!!!

Reading a novel set in Amish-country! What a coincidence. And you're so right.

A bit too cutting-edge (if you're being kind) or bonkers (if you're me).
Lindy_Loue
20-11-2012
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“It's interesting you mentioned about Louis needing to learn to show his emotion.

But I hope he doesn't learn to 'fake' it. That is crucial for someone who's not staged schooled to try this 'fakery' (or acting). Because if he seldom experienced an outward manifestation of emotions, then if he tries to methodise the 'expression' of it (learn to fake it), it will become apparent to us that he's faking it. Does that make sense?

What I am trying (and I think failing) to say, is that someone who's good at teaching others to visualise something (such as a sports pyschologist or a hypnotist etc.) could get to know Louis better, ask him to, say, recall the few precious moments when he experienced genuine joy.

It's likely that while he was still a child, he would have moments of sheer happiness, safe in the knowledge that he's completely 'allowed' to 'let it go'. This may be trips to a themed park where he had a 'joyride' or maybe the first time he saw father christmas and felt this sense of awe and felicity. Now a good, say, hypnotherapist would be able to help or guide Louis in this 'age regressive' visualisation exercise and invoke a GENUINE sense of that past experience/feeling, and learning to 'allow himself' the freedom to express it without any internal (self) and/or external (environment/spectators watching him etc.) inhibitions.

Once this feeling/past experience of happiness and joy is invoked, then when it's associated with a certain trigger (such as a ballroom hold and his tilt to the left of his head), then he would be able, NOT TO FAKE IT, but to invoke the genuine feeling/past experience of joy, and this would definitely help audience/viewers at home 'connect' to him when he perform a dance.

Hmm, am I rambling? *hears sounds of muffled snoring*

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Well, I for one read to the end, and I think you made some good points . The last thing I want is for Louis to become a faker!!
Alli-F
20-11-2012
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“It's interesting you mentioned about Louis needing to learn to show his emotion.

But I hope he doesn't learn to 'fake' it. That is crucial for someone who's not staged schooled to try this 'fakery' (or acting). Because if he seldom experienced an outward manifestation of emotions, then if he tries to methodise the 'expression' of it (learn to fake it), it will become apparent to us that he's faking it. Does that make sense?

What I am trying (and I think failing) to say, is that someone who's good at teaching others to visualise something (such as a sports pyschologist or a hypnotist etc.) could get to know Louis better, ask him to, say, recall the few precious moments when he experienced genuine joy.

It's likely that while he was still a child, he would have moments of sheer happiness, safe in the knowledge that he's completely 'allowed' to 'let it go'. This may be trips to a themed park where he had a 'joyride' or maybe the first time he saw father christmas and felt this sense of awe and felicity. Now a good, say, hypnotherapist would be able to help or guide Louis in this 'age regressive' visualisation exercise and invoke a GENUINE sense of that past experience/feeling, and learning to 'allow himself' the freedom to express it without any internal (self) and/or external (environment/spectators watching him etc.) inhibitions.

Once this feeling/past experience of happiness and joy is invoked, then when it's associated with a certain trigger (such as a ballroom hold and his tilt to the left of his head), then he would be able, NOT TO FAKE IT, but to invoke the genuine feeling/past experience of joy, and this would definitely help audience/viewers at home 'connect' to him when he perform a dance.

Hmm, am I rambling? *hears sounds of muffled snoring*”


But a child or adult with ADHD or other learning difficulties may not be able to access those feelings, my son can't. He can't empathise or read feelings in others either.
Lindy_Loue
20-11-2012
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“It didn't really fill the space but then he didn't have dancing girls and glitter everywhere. His dance mood was set up to be very stark whereas Michael, Richard, Denise and Lisa had awesome lighting, backing dancers and props-a-plenty. Louis and Flavia were like an Amish couple staggering on stage in the middle of a Girls Aloud concert. ”



Now I knew it reminded me of something.....! They were definitely set up not to impress, why that was, we will never know...
ellieb123
20-11-2012
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“It didn't really fill the space but then he didn't have dancing girls and glitter everywhere. His dance mood was set up to be very stark whereas Michael, Richard, Denise and Lisa had awesome lighting, backing dancers and props-a-plenty. Louis and Flavia were like an Amish couple staggering on stage in the middle of a Girls Aloud concert. ”



Either that or Louis was the caretaker for Wembley arena who had snuck his partner in after hours to have a quick go on the dance floor while no-one was looking!
SCD-Observer
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“But a child or adult with ADHD or other learning difficulties may not be able to access those feelings, my son can't. He can't empathise or read feelings in others either.”

I know of an adult friend with ADHD (albeit a mild form) who's very expressive in his everyday life. He had difficulty staying focused as a child and he said he could get restless in school, especially when forced to sit down and stare at the black board and felt the teacher just droned and droned...

But that gradually got better and he grew and now you can't really see him as anything different from others. In fact, if he didn't say, you wouldn't have know he suffered from ADHD as a child.
poshnosh
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“It didn't really fill the space but then he didn't have dancing girls and glitter everywhere. His dance mood was set up to be very stark whereas Michael, Richard, Denise and Lisa had awesome lighting, backing dancers and props-a-plenty. Louis and Flavia were like an Amish couple staggering on stage in the middle of a Girls Aloud concert. ”

More like Girls Aloud staggering on stage in the middle of an Amish concert
Alli-F
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I know of an adult friend with ADHD (albeit a mild form) who's very expressive in his everyday life. He had difficulty staying focused as a child and he said he could get restless in school, especially when forced to sit down and stare at the black board and felt the teacher just droned and droned...

But that gradually got better and he grew and now you can't really see him as anything different from others. In fact, if he didn't say, you wouldn't have know he suffered from ADHD as a child.”



I did say may.
SCD-Observer
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“I did say may.”

I know you did.
Alli-F
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I know you did. ”

Louis is NOT expressive in his everyday life which is why I wondered if he was closer to my son than your friend. Some people grow out of it, some don't.
SCD-Observer
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Louis is NOT expressive in his everyday life which is why I wondered if he was closer to my son than your friend. Some people grow out of it, some don't.”

I don't disagree.

In case I got the wrong end of the stick again, I wasn't contradicting you, I was just making comments to illustrate that while SOME might not respond (like you son), others do. It's more like an add-on, not a challenge to you.
Alli-F
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I don't disagree.

In case I got the wrong end of the stick again, I wasn't contradicting you, I was just making comments to illustrate that while SOME might not respond (like you son), others do. It's more like an add-on, not a challenge to you.”


Oh...ok. Sorry
Gellymiss
21-11-2012
I would like to think Louis was one of the lucky ones, but the article in the Radio Times with his noticeable difficulty in concentrating on rehearsing and his Mother trying to cajole him is a dead giveaway.
*Venetia*
21-11-2012
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Ok I do see where you are coming from BUT I want Loius to connect with the dance he is dong now , to be present in the moment of each dance.

He is concentrating for me so much on the technicalities of each dance he isn't in the moment at all.

Dance isn't just a series of moves attached to other moves, and sadly this is what Loius is giving us allbeit, very well executed moves.

Not only does he need to feel each dance he needs to emote that he is doing it.

He may still win if he doesn't but for me he wouldn't be a winner I enjoyed”

Very well worded.

This is how I feel about his dancing too
HeidiB
22-11-2012
Louis did great with his Tango in which he had to act.

I think he can do this any week as long as he has music he likes.
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