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Is Louis still likely to win??
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Originally Posted by Gellymiss:
“Excellent post. Agree wholeheartedly and there is a friendship there between the two. The above poster who said it was the worst has obviously never watched Nicky and Karen on ITT
As someone who words with ADHD kids, I have a lot of sympathy for him and it's not something that's easily understood....so the "he's dull and won't smile" comments tend to get my hackles up. But it's not as if he's going to go around broadcasting that for the sympathy vote.
I count 4 gymnastic moves though in their dances. The Cha cha cha had a bit of a handstand and splits in it; and the Dirty Dancing had that amazing leap off the stage with the splits. Along with last night and the Halloween, that's four and I kindof agree with Darcy (though didn't like the wording) that they need to lay off these until the end. I wonder if they were forced last night to include them as they were a major crowd pleaser and the audience went nuts.
They looked devastated and I hope it's the kick up the butt that they need. I still feel for him though, trying to maintain his street cred in the Strictly world. I imagine he battles Flavia alot on avoiding the cheese factor of it all. I couldn't see him agreeing to Vincent's PINK ensemble”
“Excellent post. Agree wholeheartedly and there is a friendship there between the two. The above poster who said it was the worst has obviously never watched Nicky and Karen on ITT
As someone who words with ADHD kids, I have a lot of sympathy for him and it's not something that's easily understood....so the "he's dull and won't smile" comments tend to get my hackles up. But it's not as if he's going to go around broadcasting that for the sympathy vote.
I count 4 gymnastic moves though in their dances. The Cha cha cha had a bit of a handstand and splits in it; and the Dirty Dancing had that amazing leap off the stage with the splits. Along with last night and the Halloween, that's four and I kindof agree with Darcy (though didn't like the wording) that they need to lay off these until the end. I wonder if they were forced last night to include them as they were a major crowd pleaser and the audience went nuts.
They looked devastated and I hope it's the kick up the butt that they need. I still feel for him though, trying to maintain his street cred in the Strictly world. I imagine he battles Flavia alot on avoiding the cheese factor of it all. I couldn't see him agreeing to Vincent's PINK ensemble
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Can't see Louis in pink.
I left out Dirty Dancing because I didn't really consider that a gymnastics move - just a recreation of the original dance - but I'd forgotten about the cha cha cha.
I get increasingly irritated with the VT's that depict him as sulky, bolshie teenager. He's 23 for heaven's sake; he's competed in 2 Olympic Games; picked up medals in both and captained the team in London; from 3 World Championships he's won silver and bronze; and 4 silver and a gold from 3 Europeans. 6 years ago at the tender age of 17 he took an individual gold and a team bronze.
Does this sound like the brat some perceive him to be? Not imo.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
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I get increasingly irritated with the VT's that depict him as sulky, bolshie teenager. He's 23 for heaven's sake.”
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I get increasingly irritated with the VT's that depict him as sulky, bolshie teenager. He's 23 for heaven's sake.”
Last night's VT was the only one I liked with him carrying her through the streets.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Flavia has choreographed gymnastic 'tricks' into two routines only which is why I found Darcy's comment 'save them for later' puzzling.
I don't find him bland - though he is self contained and an essentially private person: no doubt long hours spent training, often alone, have contributed to what some see as a reserved and diffident personality. The ability to shut out the rest of the world is a necessity when handling the onerous pressures and high expectations that we, the public, place on the shoulders of our international athletes. Does that make Louis bland, boring or dull etc. (all epithets I've seen applied to him) certainly not by my definition. On the contrary I detect a laconic sense of humour, a laughing up his sleeve as amateur psychologists try to determine what makes him tick.
He's not cheesy like Richard; he doesn't bare his emotions for all to see like Victoria; he's not manically enthusiastic a la Lisa. He's simply himself and I'm surprised that so many just don't get that.
He was captain of the men's Olymppic Gymnastics team and with that comes the responsibility to lift, encourage and motivate other team members; to build their confidence and instil in them the belief that anything is possible. That captaincy was not lightly given and I'd rather hear an assessment of Louis' motivational skills from his fellow gymnasts than from those who base theiir opinion on nothing more than a heavily edited tv show.
Having said all this, as I've posted elsewhere I was very disappointed with the AS. I hope he and Flav up their game in the weeks to come.
Please don't take this personally - it is not intended as a personal attack; I'm simply taking the opportunity to air my point of view and your post gave me that chance.
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“Flavia has choreographed gymnastic 'tricks' into two routines only which is why I found Darcy's comment 'save them for later' puzzling.
I don't find him bland - though he is self contained and an essentially private person: no doubt long hours spent training, often alone, have contributed to what some see as a reserved and diffident personality. The ability to shut out the rest of the world is a necessity when handling the onerous pressures and high expectations that we, the public, place on the shoulders of our international athletes. Does that make Louis bland, boring or dull etc. (all epithets I've seen applied to him) certainly not by my definition. On the contrary I detect a laconic sense of humour, a laughing up his sleeve as amateur psychologists try to determine what makes him tick.
He's not cheesy like Richard; he doesn't bare his emotions for all to see like Victoria; he's not manically enthusiastic a la Lisa. He's simply himself and I'm surprised that so many just don't get that.
He was captain of the men's Olymppic Gymnastics team and with that comes the responsibility to lift, encourage and motivate other team members; to build their confidence and instil in them the belief that anything is possible. That captaincy was not lightly given and I'd rather hear an assessment of Louis' motivational skills from his fellow gymnasts than from those who base theiir opinion on nothing more than a heavily edited tv show.
Having said all this, as I've posted elsewhere I was very disappointed with the AS. I hope he and Flav up their game in the weeks to come.
Please don't take this personally - it is not intended as a personal attack; I'm simply taking the opportunity to air my point of view and your post gave me that chance.
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Thank you for being so polite and writing such a good post!
I agree that he is himself and that there is nothing wrong with that. Also that all the training he does has an impact on shutting out the rest of the world. I also didn't realise he has ADHD.
Having said that, I think he needs to find a way to come out of his shell and include the audience more. I appreciate he's a private/reserved person and that bland might have been a bit harsh but he's got it in him to feel/enjoy the dance more. I thought he did this in the dance he did in the Haloween week. Maybe Flavia should have a story-line for each dance to help with this?
Thank you for having a friendly debate with me. I've seen a lot of people being very defensive on this forum!!
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Flavia has choreographed gymnastic 'tricks' into two routines only which is why I found Darcy's comment 'save them for later' puzzling.
I don't find him bland - though he is self contained and an essentially private person: no doubt long hours spent training, often alone, have contributed to what some see as a reserved and diffident personality. The ability to shut out the rest of the world is a necessity when handling the onerous pressures and high expectations that we, the public, place on the shoulders of our international athletes. Does that make Louis bland, boring or dull etc. (all epithets I've seen applied to him) certainly not by my definition. On the contrary I detect a laconic sense of humour, a laughing up his sleeve as amateur psychologists try to determine what makes him tick.
He's not cheesy like Richard; he doesn't bare his emotions for all to see like Victoria; he's not manically enthusiastic a la Lisa. He's simply himself and I'm surprised that so many just don't get that.
He was captain of the men's Olymppic Gymnastics team and with that comes the responsibility to lift, encourage and motivate other team members; to build their confidence and instil in them the belief that anything is possible. That captaincy was not lightly given and I'd rather hear an assessment of Louis' motivational skills from his fellow gymnasts than from those who base theiir opinion on nothing more than a heavily edited tv show.
Having said all this, as I've posted elsewhere I was very disappointed with the AS. I hope he and Flav up their game in the weeks to come.
Please don't take this personally - it is not intended as a personal attack; I'm simply taking the opportunity to air my point of view and your post gave me that chance.”
“Flavia has choreographed gymnastic 'tricks' into two routines only which is why I found Darcy's comment 'save them for later' puzzling.
I don't find him bland - though he is self contained and an essentially private person: no doubt long hours spent training, often alone, have contributed to what some see as a reserved and diffident personality. The ability to shut out the rest of the world is a necessity when handling the onerous pressures and high expectations that we, the public, place on the shoulders of our international athletes. Does that make Louis bland, boring or dull etc. (all epithets I've seen applied to him) certainly not by my definition. On the contrary I detect a laconic sense of humour, a laughing up his sleeve as amateur psychologists try to determine what makes him tick.
He's not cheesy like Richard; he doesn't bare his emotions for all to see like Victoria; he's not manically enthusiastic a la Lisa. He's simply himself and I'm surprised that so many just don't get that.
He was captain of the men's Olymppic Gymnastics team and with that comes the responsibility to lift, encourage and motivate other team members; to build their confidence and instil in them the belief that anything is possible. That captaincy was not lightly given and I'd rather hear an assessment of Louis' motivational skills from his fellow gymnasts than from those who base theiir opinion on nothing more than a heavily edited tv show.
Having said all this, as I've posted elsewhere I was very disappointed with the AS. I hope he and Flav up their game in the weeks to come.
Please don't take this personally - it is not intended as a personal attack; I'm simply taking the opportunity to air my point of view and your post gave me that chance.
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Great post Ignazio. I totally agree.
I can cope with stoic Louis but I also feel that if he were able to show a little more expression it would complement his good dance skills so much more. But I know it's difficult for him, just as it is for Victoria and in some cases for Michael too. What I feel most sad about it that I think he deserves to be thought of as the polite, funny and good guy and not gain the inaccurate reputation of a being stuck-up sulk.
I don't know what happened last night, but I get the feeling something was off kilter...shame, but then the whole show was a bit of a mess IMO.
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“If he gets through this week, I think he does have a chance of lifting the trophy.
He can dance nicely but hasn't made me go wow just yet - he's a lovely guy and I really like him - but I don't think he's quite as good as people are making out.
I thought that smooth last night was absolutely AWFUL. There was little smooth in it for me - and I hated the style.
But then, I love the traditional style of the smooth. I do understand where they were coming from - but it's not what I like, so it was a horrible smooth for me.
Didn't enjoy it at all - and I like the dances to be as they SHOULD be, otherwise you cannot compare them.
For once, I thought their leaderboard placings were right.
Lisa is a good dancer naturally, although last night's offering was a shocker. Michael is what Strictly is about - someone who is an abysmal dancer to start with, but who is coming on in leaps and bounds. I thought he was a few points overmarked last night personally - but I like him.
I like Michael better than Louis because he has improved more. Louis for me is good but has stayed still.
Like them both very much though.”
“If he gets through this week, I think he does have a chance of lifting the trophy.
He can dance nicely but hasn't made me go wow just yet - he's a lovely guy and I really like him - but I don't think he's quite as good as people are making out.
I thought that smooth last night was absolutely AWFUL. There was little smooth in it for me - and I hated the style.
But then, I love the traditional style of the smooth. I do understand where they were coming from - but it's not what I like, so it was a horrible smooth for me.
Didn't enjoy it at all - and I like the dances to be as they SHOULD be, otherwise you cannot compare them.
For once, I thought their leaderboard placings were right.
Lisa is a good dancer naturally, although last night's offering was a shocker. Michael is what Strictly is about - someone who is an abysmal dancer to start with, but who is coming on in leaps and bounds. I thought he was a few points overmarked last night personally - but I like him.
I like Michael better than Louis because he has improved more. Louis for me is good but has stayed still.
Like them both very much though.”
I agree with all your points but particularly that Louis really isn't that great a dancer. He does the steps very well but really doesn't feel the dance at all. I don't enjoy watching him for that reason.
I think Flavia probably lets him do the gymnastics as that is what he feels comfortable with and he doesn't feel comfortable with dancing.
He can probably still win as it seems the public like him the most but unless he shows a bit more joy in his dances to come I would be quite unhappy about it.
I am beginning to think that Louis is regretting his decision to do Strictly. Perhaps he was talked into it by his mother. However I dont think it fits in with his 'cool' image and he is very reluctant to let that go. People are beginning to hint at issues behind the scenes and I think Flavia is trying very hard to get him to 'perform' and coming up against a brick wall.
Yes, he needs to loosen up and perform and not just execute the steps otherwise people will start making the kind of remarks about him that were made about Holly last year - still (on balance) think he is final material.
Originally Posted by serafimo:
“It's only really Craig that's been giving him consistently lacklastre marks - last week he got 3 nines from the other judges. This week was a bit of a disaster, but as long as he & Flavia learn from it I don't think it will dent his overall chances too much.”
“It's only really Craig that's been giving him consistently lacklastre marks - last week he got 3 nines from the other judges. This week was a bit of a disaster, but as long as he & Flavia learn from it I don't think it will dent his overall chances too much.”
Agreed. Louis should still make it to the last 3 or 4 (a Louis/Denise final would be preferable though).
Even though he is my favourite I dont think he will win. I think he will come about 4th or 5th and the winner will be one of these Lisa, Dani, Kimberly or Denise.
But I still think we havent we saw the best of him yet and it could be that Louis will peak in the next couple of weeks. Whatever happens I will still be voting for him until he gets eliminated.
But I still think we havent we saw the best of him yet and it could be that Louis will peak in the next couple of weeks. Whatever happens I will still be voting for him until he gets eliminated.
As much as it seems like on the whole the women are more talented and more popular this year, I don't think the producers would really let an all-female final happen.
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“I agree with the bit you wrote about Louis, but I don't agree about Michael. He's got a horrible run of dances left - 4 Latin, tango & VW and of those he has left I think only the VW will suit him. He's good at the floaty ballrooms, I'm not sure about the tango.
But making the final is up to Louis now. He has to come out and smash one performance, like he did with the tango r I sense people will start to drift away from supporting him. I think he has it in him, depends on how much he wants it and how much he's enjoying the whole experience.”
“I agree with the bit you wrote about Louis, but I don't agree about Michael. He's got a horrible run of dances left - 4 Latin, tango & VW and of those he has left I think only the VW will suit him. He's good at the floaty ballrooms, I'm not sure about the tango.
But making the final is up to Louis now. He has to come out and smash one performance, like he did with the tango r I sense people will start to drift away from supporting him. I think he has it in him, depends on how much he wants it and how much he's enjoying the whole experience.”
Yes, Michael still has a few unfortunate dances to do - but he has learnt so much and has imporved dramatically. That's what catches the public's imagination. Possibly Louis may be outstripped by such a contestant who comes up fast on the outside...
I began loving Louis, convinced he would win, but I really am not sure now, esp. after that risky AS. Who knows what is still to come?
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“I agree with all your points but particularly that Louis really isn't that great a dancer. He does the steps very well but really doesn't feel the dance at all. I don't enjoy watching him for that reason.
I think Flavia probably lets him do the gymnastics as that is what he feels comfortable with and he doesn't feel comfortable with dancing.
He can probably still win as[b] it seems the public like him [/B]the most but unless he shows a bit more joy in his dances to come I would be quite unhappy about it.”
“I agree with all your points but particularly that Louis really isn't that great a dancer. He does the steps very well but really doesn't feel the dance at all. I don't enjoy watching him for that reason.
I think Flavia probably lets him do the gymnastics as that is what he feels comfortable with and he doesn't feel comfortable with dancing.
He can probably still win as[b] it seems the public like him [/B]the most but unless he shows a bit more joy in his dances to come I would be quite unhappy about it.”
I'm not convinced about that, watching back last night I sense a big momentum behind Michael IF he can keep it up.
Louis is just not a performer. He does nothing for me because I don't think he's enjoying it at all.
I don't think he will win. He just doesn't have the personality, neither does Victoria. I think Dani will win to be honest. We all know that Denise is already a trained dancer and she won't win overall
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I am beginning to think that Louis is regretting his decision to do Strictly.”
“I am beginning to think that Louis is regretting his decision to do Strictly.”
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“Louis is just not a performer. He does nothing for me because I don't think he's enjoying it at all.”
“Louis is just not a performer. He does nothing for me because I don't think he's enjoying it at all.”
I don't understand this logic. Just because Louis isn't a smiley person or an extrovert on the dance floor doesn't mean he's regretting anything or isn't enjoying the performances. Not everyone can be all jazz hands even to a small degree - it's as difficult for him as it is for Lisa to bend her knees, Nicky to get on his toes, Victoria to look relaxed etc. etc.
Originally Posted by Noone:
“I don't understand this logic. Just because Louis isn't a smiley person or an extrovert on the dance floor doesn't mean he's regretting anything or isn't enjoying the performances. Not everyone can be all jazz hands even to a small degree - it's as difficult for him as it is for Lisa to bend her knees, Nicky to get on his toes, Victoria to look relaxed etc. etc.”
“I don't understand this logic. Just because Louis isn't a smiley person or an extrovert on the dance floor doesn't mean he's regretting anything or isn't enjoying the performances. Not everyone can be all jazz hands even to a small degree - it's as difficult for him as it is for Lisa to bend her knees, Nicky to get on his toes, Victoria to look relaxed etc. etc.”
His face never changes. I mean, I do expect a smile. Sometimes.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“His face never changes. I mean, I do expect a smile. Sometimes.”
“His face never changes. I mean, I do expect a smile. Sometimes.”
I know. But it's not what he's been about for 17 years of 'performing' gymnastics and it's not his basic character (I think he's shy, but I know others don't). Annnd, as I said, he might actually think he has been smiling.
Originally Posted by Noone:
“I know. But it's not what he's been about for 17 years of 'performing' gymnastics and it's not his basic character (I think he's shy, but I know others don't). Annnd, as I said, he might actually think he has been smiling.”
“I know. But it's not what he's been about for 17 years of 'performing' gymnastics and it's not his basic character (I think he's shy, but I know others don't). Annnd, as I said, he might actually think he has been smiling.”
Everyone else in 10 series has had to work at it....if they expect to be any good.
Nancy & I are on the same wavelength here. Everyone who comes on strictly has to do something outside their comfort zone & Louis is not immune
Originally Posted by Noone:
“I don't understand this logic. Just because Louis isn't a smiley person or an extrovert on the dance floor doesn't mean he's regretting anything or isn't enjoying the performances. Not everyone can be all jazz hands even to a small degree - it's as difficult for him as it is for Lisa to bend her knees, Nicky to get on his toes, Victoria to look relaxed etc. etc.”
“I don't understand this logic. Just because Louis isn't a smiley person or an extrovert on the dance floor doesn't mean he's regretting anything or isn't enjoying the performances. Not everyone can be all jazz hands even to a small degree - it's as difficult for him as it is for Lisa to bend her knees, Nicky to get on his toes, Victoria to look relaxed etc. etc.”
I think it is obvious that he is not enjoying his performances. It is uncomfortable to watch.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“I'm not convinced about that, watching back last night I sense a big momentum behind Michael IF he can keep it up.
Louis is just not a performer. He does nothing for me because I don't think he's enjoying it at all.”
“I'm not convinced about that, watching back last night I sense a big momentum behind Michael IF he can keep it up.
Louis is just not a performer. He does nothing for me because I don't think he's enjoying it at all.”
Well it seems that he is popular on this forum anyway but like you he does nothing for me and I would much rather watch Michael or infact most of the others who seem to be giving it their all and enjoying the experience.
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“Well it seems that he is popular on this forum anyway but like you he does nothing for me and I would much rather watch Michael or infact most of the others who seem to be giving it their all and enjoying the experience.”
“Well it seems that he is popular on this forum anyway but like you he does nothing for me and I would much rather watch Michael or infact most of the others who seem to be giving it their all and enjoying the experience.”
I haven't been wowed yet at all by him.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“I haven't been wowed yet at all by him.”
“I haven't been wowed yet at all by him.”
Me neither! My only real wow moment this series was Michael & Natalie's QS because the improvement was astonishing!
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“Me neither! My only real wow moment this series was Michael & Natalie's QS because the improvement was astonishing!”
“Me neither! My only real wow moment this series was Michael & Natalie's QS because the improvement was astonishing!”
Ah yes, that was also the first routine I replayed. The second one, last night. Now if only he can get the latin..
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