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Old 18-11-2012, 17:06
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Could not agree more... Tonight it has to be her and Victoria the queen bitch in the bottom two
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:12
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Could not agree more... Tonight it has to be her and Victoria the queen bitch in the bottom two
That'd be a toughie for the judges - do they pick She Who Must Not Be Told The Truth for fear of her breaking down in a heap of tears or She Who Must Not Be Told The Truth for fear of being seen as 'fattist'?

Who goes...they decide - oops sorry, wrong show...
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:23
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Lisa may be a big lass but not even she can be two contestants at once!

Surely you mean Denise...



Robin "short"?? I thought he was on the average to tall side...
Yes, I meant Denise.

And now I feel a champion Charlie !
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:37
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It is really odd that Lisa is such a poor dancer and moreover gets high marks from the judges.

And fat people can be good dancers - certainly in Latin. A good friend of mine dances (real) Salsa several times a week, is Lisa-sized, and never short of partners on the dance floor. I don't understand how he can out in so much exercise and no lose weight. Well he does eat well and a lot.
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:45
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At least Lisa has one fan
Make that two. Not my favourite but I do enjoy watching her and find her enjoyment contagious.
Far too many on here judging her as "fake" when they have no idea what she is really like at all.
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:52
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And what's this 'little girl from Manchester' rubbish? Garnering the northern vote? I suppose there's a lorra lorra people up there.


Don't get me started on the little girl from Manchester, really wanted to throw up at that point

She may not win the show, but she'll be in the final, those judges got right on my nerves last night - can't be bothered to take any of it seriously now
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:52
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Could not agree more... Tonight it has to be her and Victoria the queen bitch in the bottom two
Whenever has Victoria been bitchy ? I've watched Strictly and ITT and have never seen it. Perhaps you could tell me when you saw this bitchiness ?

That'd be a toughie for the judges - do they pick She Who Must Not Be Told The Truth for fear of her breaking down in a heap of tears or She Who Must Not Be Told The Truth for fear of being seen as 'fattist'?

Who goes...they decide - oops sorry, wrong show...
So, Victoria shed a few tears ONCE on her first show when she was angry with herself for making mistakes and she's labelled as someone who "breaks down in a heap of tears", Yeah, right. Of course no-one else has ever cried on Strictly. As for "She Who Must Not Be Told The Truth" - she has been criticised by the judges and placed at the bottom of the leaderboard for the last two weeks and has taken her criticism well. She was full of smiles all last night and looked as though she was enjoying herself even though she had such bad comments from the judges.

I wouldn't defend her dancing (although it's not as bad as some people make out and I saw a lot of mistakes from other people last night that the judges didn't even comment on, like Lisa for instance) but I do object to people calling Victoria a bitch.
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:53
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I did notice she was conciously doing that cute/grin/gurn last night. But she added a lot of "Lisa from Manchester" and "Shocked weepy face" which she will use again until she wins.

Yes, I think she could well win, darlings.
Oh I think she is putting on an Oscar winning performance every week.
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:55
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I'm another Northerner who wont't be voting for her either and neither will my Mum! I'm fed up of the same old Latin routines now. She went wrong in that routine a few times and had no bounce in her legs. The samba rolls were terrible. She did the splits at the end to draw attention away from the main routine and it worked. I'm fed up of the judges ignoring her footwork.


BIB - exactly!! That's what the standing ovation was for, it wasn't for the routine.
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Old 18-11-2012, 17:58
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So, Victoria shed a few tears ONCE on her first show when she was angry with herself for making mistakes and she's labelled as someone who "breaks down in a heap of tears", Yeah, right. Of course no-one else has ever cried on Strictly. As for "She Who Must Not Be Told The Truth" - she has been criticised by the judges and placed at the bottom of the leaderboard for the last two weeks and has taken her criticism well. She was full of smiles all last night and looked as though she was enjoying herself even though she had such bad comments from the judges.

I wouldn't defend her dancing (although it's not as bad as some people make out and I saw a lot of mistakes from other people last night that the judges didn't even comment on, like Lisa for instance) but I do object to people calling Victoria a bitch.
I wouldn't call her a bitch, but the crying label is accurate. She hasn't cried on Strictly because people have treated her too gently, but if you look at her stuff in the press she's constantly either crying or worrying about crying or telling people that she cried.
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Old 18-11-2012, 18:03
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Lisa isn't naff naff naff, she's fun, fun, fun - that's why the live audience responds so warmly.
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Old 18-11-2012, 18:15
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Lisa isn't naff naff naff, she's fun, fun, fun - that's why the live audience responds so warmly.

You could say the same about Richard Arnold, he never fails to make me laugh - and he looks like he's having a ball.

But he gets the marks and comments he deserves - Lisa gets ridiculously over-marked and over-praised by the judges, people are becoming sick of it.
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Old 18-11-2012, 18:20
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Lisa isn't naff naff naff, she's fun, fun, fun - that's why the live audience responds so warmly.
Agree - Lisa is full on fun, and a half decent dancer BUT the dance she did last night was not a Samba!! A couple of ill-executed Samba rolls do not a Samba make! It was pure disco and should have been marked as such. Louis did a Samba full of Samba content and only Len noticed. Can't remember how the overall marks panned out, but I'm willing to bet Lisa got more marks.

I'd be very happy for Lisa to win - but she's got to dance the dance she's been given - not the same thing every week!
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Old 18-11-2012, 23:01
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Addressing some points I've read so far...

Lisa did have samba content. Admittedly the side by side stuff took up a fair chunk of the routine, but everything else was samba. She had one or two iffy bits, the main bit being just before she went into the splits. Everything else was fabulous.

The judges had no issues giving Russel Grant, Anne Widdecombe, and John Sargent, very critical comments and they where all large. So the, frankly weird, theory that the judges don't want to be seen as 'fatist' doesn't stand.

For some dance moves, her body will not behave like a smaller dancers, doesn't mean she isn't doing the moves, and doing them well she is. You can't expect some of her lines to look like they would on a smaller dancer. For example, as she mentioned last night, she has a large bosom, and that creates a different aesthetic in some ballroom holds. She is still arching back though.

Dancing is subjective. She is a good dancer, but she (arguably) is the best performer there. Her technicality may get average scores, but her performance and energy is shining through for a lot of people, judges included, hence her marks. Some of those in this thread may not see it, but as I say, it's subjective. If you don't like her or her dancing, then you are quite within your rights not to. But you shouldn't be shocked or angry that other people like it/her. You certainly shouldn't assume it's related to her weight. I personally don't get all the fuss about Louis, but I get that others do.

All her dances are not the same, check her waltz and tango.

A lot of you in this thread are taking her weight very seriously, with comparable po-faces to match. Who gives a damn, really? I'd enjoy her dances just as much if she was a size 8. It's just a TV program people. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Strictly obsessive, but some of you really do wind yourselves up! Lol. Perhaps very few people give a damn about her weight, and it's only some of you in this thread that care, and therefore assume she is getting the 'fatty sympathy vote'. It's always wrong to assume your disposition reflects the status quo

I do agree they have to change up the choreo a little, and keep the side by side stuff to a minimum. She has improved a lot, as I just looked over her dances, but she now needs to focus more on technicality, whilst retaining her energy and performance.

Lisa looked gorgeous last night, even with the stage make up, lol.

There, think I've addressed all the points I wanted to.
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Old 18-11-2012, 23:19
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Addressing some points I've read so far...

Lisa did have samba content. Admittedly the side by side stuff took up a fair chunk of the routine, but everything else was samba. She had one or two iffy bits, the main bit being just before she went into the splits. Everything else was fabulous.

The judges had no issues giving Russel Grant, Anne Widdecombe, and John Sargent, very critical comments and they where all large. So the, frankly weird, theory that the judges don't want to be seen as 'fatist' doesn't stand.

For some dance moves, her body will not behave like a smaller dancers, doesn't mean she isn't doing the moves, and doing them well she is. You can't expect some of her lines to look like they would on a smaller dancer. For example, as she mentioned last night, she has a large bosom, and that creates a different aesthetic in some ballroom holds. She is still arching back though.

Dancing is subjective. She is a good dancer, but she (arguably) is the best performer there. Her technicality may get average scores, but her performance and energy is shining through for a lot of people, judges included, hence her marks. Some of those in this thread may not see it, but as I say, it's subjective. If you don't like her or her dancing, then you are quite within your rights not to. But you shouldn't be shocked or angry that other people like it/her. You certainly shouldn't assume it's related to her weight. I personally don't get all the fuss about Louis, but I get that others do.

All her dances are not the same, check her waltz and tango.

A lot of you in this thread are taking her weight very seriously, with comparable po-faces to match. Who gives a damn, really? I'd enjoy her dances just as much if she was a size 8. It's just a TV program people. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Strictly obsessive, but some of you really do wind yourselves up! Lol. Perhaps very few people give a damn about her weight, and it's only some of you in this thread that care, and therefore assume she is getting the 'fatty sympathy vote'. It's always wrong to assume your disposition reflects the status quo

I do agree they have to change up the choreo a little, and keep the side by side stuff to a minimum. She has improved a lot, as I just looked over her dances, but she now needs to focus more on technicality, whilst retaining her energy and performance.

Lisa looked gorgeous last night, even with the stage make up, lol.

There, think I've addressed all the points I wanted to.
Good points.
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Old 19-11-2012, 02:04
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Well according to the judges it fine to have fun fun fun and go worng if you are Lisa ,If on the other hand you are Louis then it has to be perfect and not a toe or digit out of place .Double standards at their very highest was in action last night
Very true and it's such a shame. The expectation the judges put on some of the couples is unfair.
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Old 19-11-2012, 03:20
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Addressing some points I've read so far...

Lisa did have samba content. Admittedly the side by side stuff took up a fair chunk of the routine, but everything else was samba. She had one or two iffy bits, the main bit being just before she went into the splits. Everything else was fabulous.

The judges had no issues giving Russel Grant, Anne Widdecombe, and John Sargent, very critical comments and they where all large. So the, frankly weird, theory that the judges don't want to be seen as 'fatist' doesn't stand.

For some dance moves, her body will not behave like a smaller dancers, doesn't mean she isn't doing the moves, and doing them well she is. You can't expect some of her lines to look like they would on a smaller dancer. For example, as she mentioned last night, she has a large bosom, and that creates a different aesthetic in some ballroom holds. She is still arching back though.

Dancing is subjective. She is a good dancer, but she (arguably) is the best performer there. Her technicality may get average scores, but her performance and energy is shining through for a lot of people, judges included, hence her marks. Some of those in this thread may not see it, but as I say, it's subjective. If you don't like her or her dancing, then you are quite within your rights not to. But you shouldn't be shocked or angry that other people like it/her. You certainly shouldn't assume it's related to her weight. I personally don't get all the fuss about Louis, but I get that others do.

All her dances are not the same, check her waltz and tango.

A lot of you in this thread are taking her weight very seriously, with comparable po-faces to match. Who gives a damn, really? I'd enjoy her dances just as much if she was a size 8. It's just a TV program people. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Strictly obsessive, but some of you really do wind yourselves up! Lol. Perhaps very few people give a damn about her weight, and it's only some of you in this thread that care, and therefore assume she is getting the 'fatty sympathy vote'. It's always wrong to assume your disposition reflects the status quo

I do agree they have to change up the choreo a little, and keep the side by side stuff to a minimum. She has improved a lot, as I just looked over her dances, but she now needs to focus more on technicality, whilst retaining her energy and performance.

Lisa looked gorgeous last night, even with the stage make up, lol.

There, think I've addressed all the points I wanted to.



Oh dear
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Old 19-11-2012, 07:45
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There are those who have no ears to hear (they like Girls Aloud!).
Then there are those who have no eyes to see!
They're all really special. Ya know what I mean. SPE-SHULL.
We should be gentle with them.
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Old 19-11-2012, 08:59
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Addressing some points I've read so far...

Lisa did have samba content. Admittedly the side by side stuff took up a fair chunk of the routine, but everything else was samba. She had one or two iffy bits, the main bit being just before she went into the splits. Everything else was fabulous. The judges had no issues giving Russel Grant, Anne Widdecombe, and John Sargent, very critical comments and they where all large. So the, frankly weird, theory that the judges don't want to be seen as 'fatist' doesn't stand.

For some dance moves, her body will not behave like a smaller dancers, doesn't mean she isn't doing the moves, and doing them well she is. You can't expect some of her lines to look like they would on a smaller dancer. For example, as she mentioned last night, she has a large bosom, and that creates a different aesthetic in some ballroom holds. She is still arching back though.

Dancing is subjective. She is a good dancer, but she (arguably) is the best performer there. Her technicality may get average scores, but her performance and energy is shining through for a lot of people, judges included, hence her marks. Some of those in this thread may not see it, but as I say, it's subjective. If you don't like her or her dancing, then you are quite within your rights not to. But you shouldn't be shocked or angry that other people like it/her. You certainly shouldn't assume it's related to her weight. I personally don't get all the fuss about Louis, but I get that others do.

All her dances are not the same, check her waltz and tango.
A lot of you in this thread are taking her weight very seriously, with comparable po-faces to match. Who gives a damn, really? I'd enjoy her dances just as much if she was a size 8. It's just a TV program people. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Strictly obsessive, but some of you really do wind yourselves up! Lol. Perhaps very few people give a damn about her weight, and it's only some of you in this thread that care, and therefore assume she is getting the 'fatty sympathy vote'. It's always wrong to assume your disposition reflects the status quo

I do agree they have to change up the choreo a little, and keep the side by side stuff to a minimum. She has improved a lot, as I just looked over her dances, but she now needs to focus more on technicality, whilst retaining her energy and performance.

Lisa looked gorgeous last night, even with the stage make up, lol.

There, think I've addressed all the points I wanted to.
Oh dear, a bijou lecturette! The bits in bold indicate places where my jaw dropped in amazement. Due to the fun, fun, fun approach in the Latin dances, I simply could not take the tango and waltz seriously and thought they were doing a deliciously subtle send-up. I should have known better than to attribute any capacity for subtlety to this pair. Roll on the rumba, I say!
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Old 19-11-2012, 09:08
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They were absolutely dreadful, which is ok, not everyone can be brilliant. However, what is becoming tiresome is the overmarking and gushing praise from the judges..totally unfair to the other contestants who are dancing way better and getting lower marks for their efforts.
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Old 19-11-2012, 09:10
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I wonder if the judges constantly lavishing praise on Lisa no matter what she produces could have had a negative affect on her dancing?

It's very unusual to see someone actually getting worse week to week. Maybe a bit of honesty would have been of some benefit to her.
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Old 19-11-2012, 09:20
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I don't think she is getting worse it is just that some around her are improving and she isn't. The fact that she has timing isn't surprising anymore. That is supposed to be a good base to build on not the end product. I think the judges are overmarking her and Victoria - cos they want to be popular.
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Old 19-11-2012, 09:25
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I don't think she is getting worse it is just that some around her are improving and she isn't. The fact that she has timing isn't surprising anymore. That is supposed to be a good base to build on not the end product. I think the judges are overmarking her and Victoria - cos they want to be popular.
For me it was her worst performance to date. It was littered with mistakes, looked appallingly clumsy and the hair and make-up folk were really having a laugh. Bless her, (don't dislike Lisa) but she looked a right state - what's with the constant Shirley Temple curls
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Old 19-11-2012, 09:27
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Very true and it's such a shame. The expectation the judges put on some of the couples is unfair.
Yes your right it is.
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Old 19-11-2012, 09:34
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I thought it was overmarked because her arms - which are nothing to do with her large bosom or wider hips - were absolutely appalling, not stretched and barely placed (and made all the more noticeable because her feet were actually doing a reasonable amount of samba content fairly well).

The samba rolls were probably always going to be difficult because Lisa has very short arms in proportion to her body and legs, and Robin couldn't really get her to reach round herself enough to get a proper 'roll' action going on. But that was no excuse for the arm movements in the rest of the routine.

Her enormous smile and joie de vivre mean it's never exactly painful to watch her, because she's never self-conscious about her delivery. Still, it's absolutely fair to say that it shouldn't be a substitute for decent technique and I think it's only a couple of weeks before she's properly found out for that.
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