Evening

Thanks to everyone that's posted articles over the last week!

For those still watching EE for them, the Masoods will be hosting a NYE party this year

Thanks Will be watching the Masood's scenes on iplayer when they return to screen!

And I will be imagining on NYE that somewhere out there the states or Brum, 'Mercy' will be playing and Christian will stride into a kitchen and snog Syed's face off And this time they'll have kitchen sex Oooo I may fic this!

Zainab should phone Chryed to wish them a Happy New Year

BIB: My sentiments exactly. We got several "explanations" (Christian being too involved with the wedding/Yasmin, Danny making Syed feel good about himself, Syed needing to "be himself" (), needing to push Christian's love for him, feeling compelled to sabotage his own happiness..and probably more that I've forgotten about) but none of them really made sense to me. So my explanation is that Syed had sex with him cos TPTB are *insert expletive here* and therefore I can ignore that it ever happened :sleep:

Interesting discussion though, about this and SBM And I agree with jenn and Laura on SBM too: it was Chryed's song, Christian gave it to Syed and Amira out of love for Syed, then Pete claimed it back for Chryed

Hello


Pete may have felt to talk about Danny again in the AB would have been too much like the wedding morning talk. Yes, I know Christian only then believed it was a kiss, but the reasons were still the same. Also Christian had brought up Syed's chronic lack of self confidences a few days earlier. For me the most important things was knowing that for Syed it was a mistake, he was in love with Christian and the wedding was the happiest moment of his life. But I am sorry to hear you did not get what you wanted from the last episode.

Pete said in a tweet that he thought Syed wanted to tell the truth, then saw how much pain that would cause. He was honest about the part which was important and how it made him feel,about his doubts. That Syed was so disgusted with himself that he couldn't bear to see that disgust in Christian's eyes. Also that Syed was desperate not to lose Christian and like his Mum he had form for sticking his head in the sand when things got tough. I thought it came across how messed up Syed was on the stag night, how sorry he was, the guilt and pain. It's just a shame the rubbish about Syed being too proud to say ILU had to follow. Not that I would have chosen any of the exit storyline.

I did not like mutual ILY being brought up during the 'Twist' episode either. But then I thought the whole episode was awfully written and I had already accepted that Syed had been with Danny before watching it. The worst episode of the whole storyline for me


Me so but would love to read a fic about it too

I can just about live with Syed finding himself being in such a dark, lonely place that he was desperate to escape, feeling unworthy of Christian, Yasmin and his family. But I do have a problem with the 'I needed to see if I could be me without you.' line or words to that effect. If Syed had left Christian and lived a single life or had fallen in love with another guy and had moved in with him, it would have made sense to say that afterwards when talking together. But he had Christian's love and devotion the whole three weeks he knew Danny, and Syed had been with four other ONS's before: so already know the difference between making love and sex. I thought the whole story was that Christian was special - Syed fell in love. So if Danny was a mistake, something that he was disgusted with himself about. Then what did he learn in that way.... Christian is still the only person he has even been in love with, the only man he has shared his life with and Syed still does not know what it is like to be a young gay man enjoying the single lifestyle.

Sorry for the ramble

Ooh I forgot that line.... We sure have been spoilt with one liners. Yeah you say that when you have been seperated from your partner and perhaps it wasn't greener on the other side. But really Syed gave in to lust and some escapism. Danny was there at the right time for his ego.

Morning and Happy Birthday Starfish

Hope you have a wonderful day hun


Thanks for this, I'll certainly watch.

BIB1: I needed to hear those things too! I just wanted some kind of self-reflection from Syed about the lying, to put his 'side'/thought process across!

BIB2: You see, this annoys me LOADS (sorry. This explanation came in a bloody TWEET - not the actual script....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I feel that the reason Syed lied should have been covered properly in the episodes, not the rubbish, the pure laziness of the 'too proud to say I love you' b******s that was actually what hurt Christian the most, apparently (well, that was stated in the JP article anyway:sleep. Sorry about the rant But the fact that we have to rely on a writer's tweet for explanations just makes me so damned annoyed

I agree that Syed's realisation of the enormity of what he had done was clear in the Stag night ep. But that needed to be 'joined up' with what he had actually done, which at that point, we still weren't sure of, other than stealing from his own family:sleep: I don't know, but as two handers go (I mean, the final ep - I'm moving about here, I know), I've seen better. Some actors have been allowed an entire episode

BIB3: I agree. That episode will go down as the worst Chryed episode for me, EVER. EE nearly destroyed them for me But thankfully, they are together now, sipping orange juice by a pool listening to Jane and Linda arguing!

Thanks for responding to my posts, btw!

BIB: Yeah, I understand that I swing from thinking, well it's there now - Syed slept with Danny - so I need to understand it, and then I swing to, it was a lousy exit storyline and EE decided to have Syed sleep with Danny because it is the usual, standard, unimaginative EE's dross. If Chryed had been a couple I didn't ship, I would have just been bored by the whole story and wanted them to leave together asap. As a fan of Chryed, I was outraged through most of the story and wanted them to leave together asap.

Hi I can see your frustration Nowhere to Hide. The hard part is this is it the last of Chryed forever and still too many questions. Mainly regarding Syed. He is such a complex character and you never know what he is thinking and doesn't like dealing with the heavy stuff.

Peter Lawson was very good in giving everyone an understanding of Syed but he shouldn't have to. We should be able to watch the episode and understand the character and not left reeling what just happened. I am currently watching the sorry tale again on my tv. Tonight was the Halloween episode I guess knowing the ending makes it more enjoyable but the inbetween is the hard part

BIB: Ah, yes, another fabulous one liner

The funny part about Syed is that during his falling in love with Christian 'story', he did speak. In fact, if you look back he spoke quite a bloody lot!! We had the Massala (apologies for sp.) Queen talk, he spoke to the Imam, he confessed to Zainab, he broke down to his parents etc. etc. - we knew exactly how he was feeling, that's how I could sympathize so much with his character and his plight. He is a quiet character but until the Kirkwood era he spoke! We knew his motivation and his feeling and he did speak to others about them!!! It is frustrating AussieEnder!!

I hope you are enjoying the re-watch. I don't think I could go back to the last story Maybe the wedding, in isolation. I have to confess that I laughed when Christian turned round to Syed and was all beaten up - he looked like he was going to a Halloween party - I bet JP enjoyed the make-up Obviously, I had already lost the will to live with the story by that point But as i keep saying, I'm happy they left together

Thanks, I'll be watching for them!


Yeah, pretty much Basically I don't think about it too much or I'll either get mad or upset :sleep:


Good post You do a good job of explaining!

The 'too proud to say ILY' thing was just the stupidest thing ever. :sleep: No explanation for it either other than Syed going "oh, yeah, I was too proud, deal with it "

I never would have helped to conquer Amira Syed, as did
Christian, I would say just the opposite of what he liked to Syed for
that the further detested.YES, I'm bad!

Hello AussieEnder, Mrs Partridge, NowhereToHide, Jenn, coulditbemagic and anyone lurking


As amazingly kind and generous it was of Pete to try and help us understand the exit story I agree that it should not have been necessary. We should have seen the explanations on screen for ourselves not pieced it together though tweets and actors interviews. But if Marc did not know why Syed suddenly could not tell Christian he loved him, what hope did any of us have.

Unfortunately Chryed were never going to get the screentime even on their last ep to give Pete the time to address everything. And he seemed to be one of the few writers in the end who gave Chryed care and attention. But as you say with Marc and Johnny leaving together, Chryed could have that very rare thing on EE- a happy ending.



You have to give EE credit for always managing to surprise us, every time we thought we had got though the worst of the exit story they carried on giving :sleep:

Starfish: I hope you had a very Happy Birthday

Hello, interesting conversation about Syed's motives.

To be honest, I think, in spite of the awful end story, it can easily be argued that Syed's situation, his feelings about himself, the whole, mixed up mess is actually realistic.

People often eff up when there are many things going wrong, which make them question themselves, and then act badly and then try to understand it all.

I read the thread and watched the whole exit story, and yes it was pretty hard to take, and there were glaring flaws, but, I don't know, it wasn't so bad for me.

And the last few eps when Syed actually got a hold of himself I thought were good.

And I now actually sort of love the end - and I feel they were left in a very hopeful and real place.

Good Morning All

Thank you so much for the Birthday wishes yesterday Mrs P and LoveChryed. xx I shouldn't be here but I've also been having a lurk on and off - some interesting conversations going on.

Rhumba, I think I feel pretty much the same as you at the moment. The only thing that didn't ring true for me was Syed being 'too proud' to say he loved Christian and to be honest I felt it was more about the stringing out the episodes at that point. Everything else - it was possible, although of course it would have worked a million times better if they'd been consistently on screen from March to Sept and we'd seen the build up of Syed feeling suffocated by his family, disappointment and confusion over the stall and more of the pressure on him to make that succeed. I'm also of the view that it was his desire to make everything perfect that led him down the path of concealing things from Christian again, and this was ironically because he DID want so much to be this perfect partner, father, etc.....he got things out of perspective and let himself get isolated inside his own head.

I do think as horrible as it was for some people to watch, with everything coming to a head, the money troubles, the wedding looming....it was plausible for me that Syed suddenly had a crazed moment with Danny. I particularly liked the self-sabotage aspect as I do think there was always an element of this with him and if you suffer from low self-esteem or, in Syed's case should I say more accurately, if you are vulnerable to having your self-esteem plummet (and this was activated by Michael's awful speech) - then you can go into self-destruct mode (speaking from experience here............). I think Syed saying this would have shown Christian that he was open to having that insight about himself, especially as Christian had brought it up in the previous episode's with the chronic lack of self-confidence comment.

I think Christian was terribly hurt by the timing but I think he did understand what had happened with Syed, and I feel he would have been able to accept that it was perhaps inevitable that Syed had done something like that for a whole host of reasons - as he'd had such a wide range of partners and such freedom, I feel certain he would have been able to forgive and understand. His head would have understood, but his heart would still have hurt for much longer, but I think Syed re-claiming the vows and making it clear he meant his words was the right way to get through to Christian.

I also felt they both were more realistic about themselves, and their relationship dynamics, by the end. I felt a sense of them growing up, facing the hard realities of how they sometimes interracted badly, and having some humour about it all. The fact that it wasn't all hearts and flowers, made it all the more real for me, and that they understood that despite the messes they sometimes got into, what they had was worth fighting for and it was worth continuing on together.

Thanks for the news about the Masood's being in NYE KBambi - I'd love it if we got a mention of Chryed (only if it's in a good way of course!).

Well, couldn't resist coming on and having a ramble...got to go now and get on with r/l stuff - take care all.

Love has Prevailed. xxx

Syed and Christian were at the wedding of Ricky and Bianca?

Yes I think they were both there, Syed with the Masood's and Amira.... definitely remember Christian lighting candles in the Vic at the reception after....think it was the ep before the live ep in Feb 2010

ETA Yes, had a look at the clip and they were both there at the church, practically the whole cast was!

Thank you! If someone could be so kind and show a photograph

Afternoon all.

Thanks for the news about the Masoods being in the NYE eps this year. A happier one than last year anyway. Hopefully a Chryed mention.

Hope you had a good birthday Starfish. Its my birthday tomorrow so 2 December babies i see. Its good to get presents twice this month.

So Lily went to see Santa and she was surprisingly well behaved. I expected her to cry but she smiled and giggled when Santa held her and talked to her. She got a present and we put it under the tree. He also gave Jayden one for him to open on Christmas Day even though he wasnt there.

Wonderful post Star, I feel pretty much the same, yes.

Bib 1 - This was a flaw, because it appeared so unnecessary. However, I can argue for it.

At this stage Syed was still all over the place and lashing out (at others here too). Perhaps because he was steeped in shame, and also full of obscure resentment as well. 'Yeah, I'm crap, but don't tell me what to do'.

I see all this now as sort of shame hangover, which he reacted to in a teenagery petulant way, AND he was still confused about his own motives about it all.

Now it wasn't good and it wasn't attractive, but, well, not totally unrealistic or OOC.


He was seen after this drastically, and seriously considering and accepting what he wanted and making HUGE steps to act in an adult way, to build a serious, honest relationship with Christian. He said several times that he'd been having a serious think about it all, and it showed.

This was glorious to me, because it was this abandonment of self destructive, self absorbed behaviour, and positive movement forward, in spite of the awful events, that gave me proper faith in Syed (again).

As a character and a man who could SEE himself and who wanted to be the best of himself and who really loved and wanted Christian.

So for me in a sense it WAS pride, which is a very brittle thing.

I had a friend who I used to joke with about life (when ours were both rather messed up) and we used to say, 'I have my PRIDE, no self respect but PRIDE', and we'd laugh like drains, because it was sort of true.

And meant in the same sort of a way. And that sort of 'pride' is self sabotaging, they sort of go together.


Yep, I could see this, and accept it as this.

Logging off now. Keep the thread going everyone. Lets see if we can make 1,000,000 posts. When do we hit by the way? Hope im not wrong and we havent missed it. Im always late to the party with these things. Speak soon. I'll be 25 when i next write in. Man am i getting old. Bye bye.

Hello

Thank you Rhumba and starfish for your insightful posts

I think for me the exit story just highlighted all the things that I disliked about EE under BK:A lack of a voice for Syed (as NowhereToHide mentioned yesterday Syed's motivations and feelings were clearly shown in the original story.) lack of screen time and build up to new stories, too many plot driven storylines, no consistency of storytelling from one ep to the next and the lost of many of the talented writers from the show. And there were no way to fix any of it as it was the end for Chryed and for me as a viewer.

But I am thankful we still had Marc and Johnny's wonderful acting and Pete's great understanding of Chryed. And in the end got a believable happy ending in an episode I loved. If only Pete could have wrote every ep However I feel about the last storyline or BK's lack of care,it takes nothing away from the beautiful love story or from this lovely thread.