Surely you can't mean Queen Victoria our Olympic champion!!
We could never do that after that wonderful entrance on a bike.
You must never forget we have an Olympic champion in our midst, far more interesting then then doing a silly paso doble, and any way she might cry to be in the bottom 2 and we can't have that at fantastic Wembley.

When the OP stated that it was cruel what they did to Kimberley, I thought they were referring to her having to sing with Ms Tweedy!

Yes it's a carefully worded phrase which a lot of people will assume means 'random' but doesn't have to mean that at all. They just pick an order which provides some tension and/or shock.

Usually they could do it a few ways. Anything which doesn't end with eg Richard vs Denise as the last two waiting, as that wouldn't have many people worried. Although that would be the obvious way to do it if through some freak vote order it really was Denise in the dance-off.

If anything I thought it was crueller when Kimberley was in the bottom two, because with Michael still there too everyone there was sure he was set to face off against Fern. It could have been seen coming this time.

That was quite cruel I agree lol.

They could not have avoided Kimberley in the last three last week - if she was in the last two. Natalie's mouth stayed open for several seconds in surprise.

On the last two, I suspect that the lower on the judges' scores table gets called first into the dance-off. No big surprise.

I suspect after Kimberley and Nicky nobody is going to be too surprised at being in the last two or three. It is time they started putting Denise and Lisa in the last three.

No way! please not Lisa.

Cruel...perhaps that's the price of getting a free plug for your latest record/tour plus an appearance on the show for the rest of the spicechildmixgirls

oh my god i dont know why this made me burst out laughing

Yes cruel but thats the way the show works which all the dancers should know. Prob doing her a favour though by gaining her some sympathetic votes next week. What do you expect for someone who is gaining massive media attention for her bands new record single, album, tour, as well as her own solo stuff...prob saving her record company a few bob!

I thought she was the sensible one from her band and would have signed up for SCD next year when her schedule would be free, but obviously not

I think Kimberley is sensible.

Lisa was a couple of weeks ago. She nearly collapsed with relief if I recall

I agree worse things happen at sea and in close proximity to Jimmy Saville but it was still no way to treat a lady.

You say that but Vicky was the last one before Kimberley to know she was safe and I don't think that was as cruel.

That made me laugh. I do like the way Kimberley keeps her cool though. And she has an amazing voice, very sexy. I think Kimberley is a pretty good all-rounder and is just taking it all in her stride.

In that second group I think it was Victoria first read out as safe, then, Louis. Then Nicky and Karen in the bottom two.


I could be wrong but I think both groups when Tess is calling out the bottom couple are in no particuar order.

Because if the bottom three are the actual bottom three then Louis would have been in the bottom three this week which I'd be suprised at

He would have been fourth-bottom by that logic, as you've already got Richard in B2 by that point with Nicky and Kimberley both still to be called by the time Louis was saved.

Right you are, completely forgot about the first couple.

But as I said, I I don't think either groups are read out in order of phone votes ranking because Tess again said with the second group "in no particular order".

So I think the only thing that is certain is that Richard and Nicky were in the bottom two and the third lowest ranked person could have been Kimberly, Louis, Victoria, or someone else from the first read out group. I think the producers just like to tease and keep us guessing and I wouldn't be suprised if what comments the judges give the couples (and sometimes controversy of those comments) will have a bearing on what order the names are called out.

If someone actually knows for certain that the final two of the second group are the bottom three (along with the first called out couple) in the phone votes then that would be interesting to know. Because then Michael was in the bottom three last week.

This is all too complicated for me to work out.

not necessarily freaky, just because she got the 39 from the Judges, if very few people voted for her for whatever reason(50% of votes come from the public), and someone like, Say, Danni who was just behind got a massive vote with other votes shared amongst the higher placed, then she would have a chance of being in the bottom 2, a very small chance but possible, maybe that is why she got the 10's for what I thought was not a very interesting charleston, where others got less for better dances, they want to keep her in so mark her as highly as possible.

Well unless the English language means something else to you ' no particular order' should be the same as picking from a hat but I don't believe them.

If they are picking an order then it isn't 'no particular order' is it? - they may as well say 'in an order picked especially to put the wind up you'

I'm not quite sure how this is the same No-one is saying that it's cruel that Kimberley was the last to be called, it was just cruel considering it followed her shock dance-off.

But Michael and Richard were in the bottom 2 for 2 or 3 weeks running and were called last, why is Kimberley special just out of interest, ( is it because Michael did n't cry?

Perhaps the producers are unhappy with her performances and lack of training time as many viewers seem to be?
Also crying is seen as good emotional TV.
Really cant wait for the voting figures to be published after the finish.

I took 'no particular order' as a mathematical term meaning not according to some mathematical ranking system e.g. random, descending order of combined score, descending order of public vote etc.

As with many things the BBC does, they can't win with the viewers. They can't say 'in an order to create the most tension' or 'in an order designated by producers which may or may not create tension'. That would be ridiculous. But if they didn't say something about the order, you'd have all kind of nutters on here arguing about whether it's random, or whether it tells us anything about public vote/combined scores. Hell, there's already some people on here who think the last person called safe was in the bottom three.

The point is, in terms of other manipulations the producers do, it's a very small thing to get upset about. I actually think they are quite transparent about it.

Good luck to the poster 'waiting for the voting figures to be released at the end of the series'. I've been waiting since 2004...

Seems to be happening anyway!