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Old 19-11-2012, 17:27
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I don't suppose that it crossed the judges collective minds that the reason James and Ella didn't get the votes was because the public didn't like\understand what they were attempting. I never rated Ella anyway but honestly if they hadn't kept Rylan in over other acts then possibly Chris might have been goonered earlier and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Old 19-11-2012, 17:30
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I don't suppose that it crossed the judges collective minds that the reason James and Ella didn't get the votes was because the public didn't like\understand what they were attempting. I never rated Ella anyway but honestly if they hadn't kept Rylan in over other acts then possibly Chris might have been goonered earlier and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
It's been proven time and again (ask Steve Brookstein and others) that in general, those who vote on X-Factor don't actually ever buy music. To them, it's a nice wee TV show to watch on a Saturday night while having their fish and chips, and they can have a bit of fun by voting. X-Factor voters (in general, I know some really do enjoy the songs) are about as qualified to appreciate music as my cat is.
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Old 19-11-2012, 20:55
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The public are always getting it wrong. I know that's contradictory (maybe it's based on IQ or whatever) considering it is genuinely a public vote.

But the truth of the matter is, most of the voting is determined before anyone even sings. I don't just mean this series either (where the voting is opened at the start of the show). But people will vote their favourites not based on vocal performances of the night.

Furtherance of this is how wrong the American voting goes.

Generally, rock singers never do well in X Factor / Idol because they're in such a niche fanbase.
Country singers go far in America, even though they're average vocally.

Remember the reaction when Michael Johns left in week 7?
The audience knew that was abolsutely the wrong decision. But he didn't get enough votes. I still can't explain that.

Then you have novelty acts who I'm convinced go through as a result of planned collaborative railroading. Remember Rik Waller from Pop Idol? He was getting through because there were internet "fans" keeping him in deliberately. (Conspiracy theory... he went off the show ill)
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Old 19-11-2012, 21:16
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It's been proven time and again (ask Steve Brookstein and others) that in general, those who vote on X-Factor don't actually ever buy music. To them, it's a nice wee TV show to watch on a Saturday night while having their fish and chips, and they can have a bit of fun by voting. X-Factor voters (in general, I know some really do enjoy the songs) are about as qualified to appreciate music as my cat is.
"Qualified to appreciate music" That's an interesting concept - how do you validate someone's qualification? I'm of a mind to appreciate different people have different tastes, and that diversity is welcome.
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Old 19-11-2012, 21:20
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I was faintly amused that the judges were acting as though I'd forgotten to vote for Ella. I didn't forget to vote or think she was safe. I just didn't enjoy the way she'd turn every song into a slow mindless ballad.
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Old 19-11-2012, 21:21
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I don't suppose that it crossed the judges collective minds that the reason James and Ella didn't get the votes was because the public didn't like\understand what they were attempting. I never rated Ella anyway but honestly if they hadn't kept Rylan in over other acts then possibly Chris might have been goonered earlier and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
A good point.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:11
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I was faintly amused that the judges were acting as though I'd forgotten to vote for Ella. I didn't forget to vote or think she was safe. I just didn't enjoy the way she'd turn every song into a slow mindless ballad.
I was surprised James was in the bottom but it shows you who is voting. It doesn't matter anyway I guess that it will be a Rylan and Christopher final. Given the falling ratings this year maybe next year the producers may re-think their approach and show a bit more respect for the viewers.

The argument of entertainment over musical talent Will no doubt continue but it just shows you that X Factor has become a posh version of Britain's Got Talent. Next year we will see juggling parrots and contestants doing the hula hoop.

We need a musical talent program - the voice is good but maybe some hybrid between XF and the Voice.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:23
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The public generally get it 'right' as the producers always manage (somehow) to manipulate what we see and vote 'their way'.

However, it seems clear this year the producers do not want the public to vote for Christopher and this has not worked for some reason.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:33
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It's been proven time and again (ask Steve Brookstein and others) that in general, those who vote on X-Factor don't actually ever buy music. To them, it's a nice wee TV show to watch on a Saturday night while having their fish and chips, and they can have a bit of fun by voting. X-Factor voters (in general, I know some really do enjoy the songs) are about as qualified to appreciate music as my cat is.
intrigued as to how you back this "qualification" up. also how you are going to back up that voters dont buy music.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:46
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It's the producers/Syco's fault for copying the TOWIE style of presentation in the auditions and giving the likes of Rylan plenty of screen time. Also the wildcard decision has backfired on them.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:47
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The judges are way too invested. It's the fatal flaw of the whole show.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:47
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intrigued as to how you back this "qualification" up. also how you are going to back up that voters dont buy music.
I know loads of people who watch the show but I don't know anyone who admits to voting since the Leona Lewis days. Most people I've met (including myself) watch it for a laugh.

It's hard to imagine anyone who is interested in music voting for The X Factor any more.

Our cats have great taste in music by the way.
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Old 20-11-2012, 12:48
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I don't suppose that it crossed the judges collective minds that the reason James and Ella didn't get the votes was because the public didn't like\understand what they were attempting. I never rated Ella anyway but honestly if they hadn't kept Rylan in over other acts then possibly Chris might have been goonered earlier and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I'd agree that viewers may have recoiled at Ella's reworking of a dance classic, and possibly James may have seemed like an understated 'busker' (unlike his phenomenal sing-off).

But that isn't necessarily the whole picture.

The problem is this whole favourites thing, established by the bookies, with the odds overpublicised through the media. Who the favourites are is often based upon a small core sample of betters early on, so small it would never be used as a valid sample in any opinion poll.

More people then bet on the established favourites, especially in X Factor where they're hoping for a 'christmas box' win, and then other viewers give up voting for those with poor odds, thinking "what's the point?", until the bookie's predictions become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think it's reasonably certain that those hoping to secure a win at the bookies may be as inclined to repeat dial as a lovestruck girl fan admiring a boyband.

One thing which can work against the favourites, the handbrake on its corrupting influence, is that fans of the long-established favourites can become complacent, imagining they don't need to spend money this week by voting because there's bound to be loads of other fans doing so instead. This may have happened with Ella.

Then there's the demograph of the fans - without a fanbase you cannot win, and as has been shown by published figures at the end of previous series something like 80-90% of all votes cast take place on Final Night, so your fanbase has to get you that far to be in with any chance of appealing to a wider group of voters. A young girl, or any female for that matter, isn't going to capitalise on the female vote, not unless she's in Little Mix and garnering 'girl power' in a series which otherwise had a host of 'unavailable' (mostly gay) males. So perhaps Ella was always destined to go out around about now no matter what she did or how she performed.
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:19
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I was faintly amused that the judges were acting as though I'd forgotten to vote for Ella. I didn't forget to vote or think she was safe. I just didn't enjoy the way she'd turn every song into a slow mindless ballad.
The conceited arrogance of the judges is what has ruined this series of X Factor. Talk about sore losers. I didn't vote because I didn't like Ella's performance last week.
If Ella had been allowed to show us one of her own penned songs in "Guilty Pleasures" week then at least we would know what Ella is all about and wants to do in the future.
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:26
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There is a breathtaking arrogance about the comments from the judges about Christopher, especially from Tulisa and Louis.

It's as if they are saying the show belongs to them and the producers, and the public are ruining the contest by voting for people who are not part of this year's "script".
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:36
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I know loads of people who watch the show but I don't know anyone who admits to voting since the Leona Lewis days. Most people I've met (including myself) watch it for a laugh.

It's hard to imagine anyone who is interested in music voting for The X Factor any more.

Our cats have great taste in music by the way.
Hi, I'm Kodi, I'm someone who is interested in music and I vote every week. It's nice to be imaginary.
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:37
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Hi, I'm Kodi, I'm someone who is interested in music and I vote every week. It's nice to be imaginary.
You're not a real person.
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:39
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I know loads of people who watch the show but I don't know anyone who admits to voting since the Leona Lewis days. Most people I've met (including myself) watch it for a laugh.

It's hard to imagine anyone who is interested in music voting for The X Factor any more...
I'd claim, or admit to, an interest in music, from Bach and Mahler to Neil Young and Kiss The Anus Of A Black Cat. And I watch XF and I vote: in the first instance for anyone whose musical inspiration I trust and whose prospering on the show and possible subsequent career piques my interest. Once any such performers are gone I'll vote, if at all, for anyone who for whatever reason I look forward to seeing and hearing week by week. It certainly wasn't Ella, who to me with a few years' further experience of life on the planet may be ready to be considered a work in progress, and in a thousand years it wouldn't have been James. I browse sites like Bandcamp now and again in the hope of finding worthwhile independent musicians who haven't attracted much notice, and the James Arthur Band would have taken me about thirty seconds to rank with the hordes of the unsigned and unsignable who aren't any better for that.

Popular music has never before been so fragmented as it is now, even among the genres that XF tries more or less earnestly to include. I have trouble seeing any prospect of huge sales for any of the remaining contestants, other than perhaps Union J as the boyband market is large and one that often unites considerable swathes of its target audience behind one or two selected groups. It shouldn't be surprising that in the absence of outstandingly good contestants there are votes in plenty for Chris, who appeals to a demographic that grew up accustomed to a much less divided sense of what pop was, and for Rylan, much of whose appeal isn't strictly musical at all. The show is still entertaining, but this year at least the shortcomings and quirks of its would-be megastars are serious, on occasions dire, enough that such enjoyment as is gleaned by viewers often won't be about the music at all. Okay, the whole music industry is hardly about the music, but none out of Ella, James, Jahmene and Chris strikes me as conspicuously marketable as a personality either.
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:54
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Gary Barlow said a few weeks ago that a good act will go out and Rylan will be still there. His words have come true, he has been in the business long enough to know which act is going to appeal to the public. Tulisa should not have voted Jade out, I thought at the time this is going to come back and sting her in the backside.
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:58
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I was faintly amused that the judges were acting as though I'd forgotten to vote for Ella. I didn't forget to vote or think she was safe. I just didn't enjoy the way she'd turn every song into a slow mindless ballad.
Couldnt agree more, what is up with the girl and that rag bag mentor of hers

I was expecting her to do a Ballad version of Rock Around The Clock next week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 20-11-2012, 13:58
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It's not like we're voting for the elections or something. None of it matters in the end.
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Old 20-11-2012, 14:04
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intrigued as to how you back this "qualification" up. also how you are going to back up that voters dont buy music.
If the number of voters were turned into music buyers then there would be better sales figures. It is a fact, believe it or not if you will. The X-Factor show voting figures do not correlate to the albums and CD's that are sold off the shelf.
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Old 20-11-2012, 14:37
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I was faintly amused that the judges were acting as though I'd forgotten to vote for Ella. I didn't forget to vote or think she was safe. I just didn't enjoy the way she'd turn every song into a slow mindless ballad.
I have to agree. I like her personally but to me she sounded incredibly flat at times and I wouldn't call her 'shrill' exactly but she did at times sound harsh to my ears.

IMO I think her best performance was Rule the World and her own composition she sang in her audition.

I was surprised James was in the bottom but it shows you who is voting. It doesn't matter anyway I guess that it will be a Rylan and Christopher final. Given the falling ratings this year maybe next year the producers may re-think their approach and show a bit more respect for the viewers.

The argument of entertainment over musical talent Will no doubt continue but it just shows you that X Factor has become a posh version of Britain's Got Talent. Next year we will see juggling parrots and contestants doing the hula hoop.

We need a musical talent program - the voice is good but maybe some hybrid between XF and the Voice.
- I can see it now!

Agree with your last paragraph too - does anyone actually take the XF seriously as a musical talent show? I don't, I just see it as a way to line Simon Cowell's/ITV's pockets and a rather pleasant way to while away an hour or so. Nowadays I never automatically think the contestants are going to be successful and TBH I think Cowell expects too much from them. They need to be a 'big star' who will sell 'millions of records' Why? What's the matter with having a couple of singles and a moderately successful album? (oh I know, less bucks for Cowell ). Leona was a one off but now he seems to think it's the benchmark for the programme! She's had a few successful years but even her star seems to be fading a bit and his new success internationally now appears to be One Direction - who didn't actually win!

It's the producers/Syco's fault for copying the TOWIE style of presentation in the auditions and giving the likes of Rylan plenty of screen time. Also the wildcard decision has backfired on them.
Very good point.

There is a breathtaking arrogance about the comments from the judges about Christopher, especially from Tulisa and Louis.

It's as if they are saying the show belongs to them and the producers, and the public are ruining the contest by voting for people who are not part of this year's "script".
Again another spot on post. Their arrogance is p!ssing me off much more than Christopher does.

Gary Barlow said a few weeks ago that a good act will go out and Rylan will be still there. His words have come true, he has been in the business long enough to know which act is going to appeal to the public. Tulisa should not have voted Jade out, I thought at the time this is going to come back and sting her in the backside.
Cannot argue with this. She was so confident in Ella's popularity that I don't think it entered her head that ultimately he was a danger to her. Live and learn eh Tulisa? Everyone is a danger to your act!
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Old 20-11-2012, 15:13
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It's the producers/Syco's fault for copying the TOWIE style of presentation in the auditions and giving the likes of Rylan plenty of screen time. Also the wildcard decision has backfired on them.
The wild card definitely hasn't backfired on them. Look at the money coming in via Christopher's fans - he's getting loads more votes than others, so financially there's no way it backfired. The viewers chosecChris and are continuing to love him and vote for him. End of!
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Old 20-11-2012, 15:15
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Gary Barlow said a few weeks ago that a good act will go out and Rylan will be still there. His words have come true, he has been in the business long enough to know which act is going to appeal to the public. Tulisa should not have voted Jade out, I thought at the time this is going to come back and sting her in the backside.
She also should not have saved Rylan over Kye. He was great and I still miss him
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