No, im saying viewers may be more attracted to the option of watching 3 shows, rather than just the 1, which they can watch via catch up. Adverts don't come into play in officials.

Well the simple fact is they've been trying to fill the void they've had since BB left. Which, even at the end gave them countless hours of well better than average figures. This propped up their programming for over 10 years.

They can say they've replaced this with great drama, and there have been a few instances, but that's not going to fill up all those hours, so they've had to flog other progs to death.

Don't get me wrong, BB is awful compared to what it used to be, but it's still a big miss for c4, and a big gain for c5.

dot worry I would have made the same mistake.

on to ratings

it is a shame the crash was not better promoted, maybe the BBC does not wish to over do Lauren/Joey promotion.

ITV 1 looks lower than you would expect, given it has Im a Celeb..., but not a massive deal.

Not sure you can say Coach Trip is never off the tv. It hasn't been on since Jan/Feb of this year. I think the problem with 5pm is you just don't know what you're getting. There's no structure to it. If they had a pool of 6/8 shows (they must be near to that with 4 in a Bed and Jamie's 15 minute meals) they could pair them up neatly and show them in clear pods. Right now it seems they just chuck anything, anywhere. And if there's a gap a CDMW repeat is grabbed from the shelf.

BB was falling in the ratings and was becoming a liability for Channel 4, but they never had a successful replacement strategy and just rely on fading shows to fill the void. I often wonder if more sport would be an easy way to fill gaps and get a better ratings share.

Well I think the last series they had was up on the previous. Still massively above their average, how can that be a liability? Even the c5 figures would be okay for them now.

It's like people saying x-factor should be cancelled, it's still much better than the rest of their programming, so why?

I hate x-factor with a passion, and as I say BB hasn't been good for 10 years, but this is a ratings thread shouldn't we just talk about shows on ratings, rather than if we don't like them?

I like that. Makes things a bit awkward for ITV.

That's my exact prediction too! I really, really hope Miranda is on Christmas Day - that show is perfect for Christmas Day and the audience size would be good if it was in an EastEnders sandwich.

It amazes me how BBC One just fall off the cliff as soon a CBBC approaches at 3. It's almost as if the older audience know it's time to evacuate before the little terrors take over!

I strongly suspect when the Kids TV goes it will be the same old tat in those slots for BBC One. It would be great if they could try something different in that new slot like a daytime chat show. I presume the Kids TV rates quite low. Does anyone have any ratings for CBBC on BBC One.

When it goes next year I wonder if pointless will get a boost from a slightly higher lead in. And will it help BBC One's channel share? I don't really think it will make that much difference. It all depends on how popular this BBC Two repeats schedule is. I can see it doing rather well. If I was unemployed I would watch it!

Ken

Someone said earlier on that Miranda will be starting on Christmas day. I think this is a mistake they should have run the series and held one back for Christmas so it could gain some traction.

But I can kind off see why they have done it. The problem is that the programs Top rating so far I think was 5m ish for the repeat of the Christmas special. So Miranda if you think about it is a bit off an unknown so is therefore a risk.

I seriously think ITV could win Christmas this year with EE still Looking weak. Oh! its exciting.

Ken

Due to end 21/12/12 according to the Christmas Radio Times thread.

Quite a moment in tv history, and it will be interesting to see what takes it place and how it will rate.

EDIT: They should stick Paddington on just before the news for old times sake

That would be a great Christmas present for this BBC fan here cos it might make the BBC think twice about including dreary Eastenders in their Christmas Day schedule next year.

The problem with saying it's not better promoted, is I don't know either of those names, so why would it matter?? Eastenders used to have household names who you knew even if you didn't watch the show. Then their trdgedies could put viewing figures up.

Actually a little bit like JR in Dallas RIP.

Here are the ratings for CBBC on BBC One for yesterday:

15:30 - Lockie Leonard: 318k (4%)
16:00 - Blue Peter (repeat from the day before) - 360k (3.7%)
16:30 - Junior Masterchef - 713k (6%)
17:00 - Newsround - 745k (5.5%)

Junior Masterchef is simulcast on CBBC and BBC One so that should impact on its ratings (the combined officials take it to a million as on Wikipedia). A number of these shows get better ratings on BBC One than on CBBC, for example, Blue Peter the day before would presumably only got 100-200k, so this 'repeat' has most likely gotten more viewers than the initial airing. They might end up sticking a 10-minute Newsround on CBBC (it's shown as 15 minutes but ends quite before that).

Wallace And Gromit were in an Eastenders sandwich on Christmas Day 2008 (and look what ratings they got!!). Was that the last year Christmas Day Eastenders was split in two?

Don't forget, these ratings will include adults watching too. Parents watching with their kids or adults who can't find anything else they like on the other channels.

Loads of adults know Blue Peter and Newsround from their childhood and they can be just as informative and entertaining as grown-up programmes whilst Junior Masterchef is a variation on a popular grown-up show.

Indeed. However the problem that they may have after the CBBC segment on BBC1 is stopped (21st December as mentioned), the ratings for these shows could either rise or drop. Blue Peter has only managed 300k once this year, and Junior Masterchef hasn't managed more than 300k on CBBC alone, and there is no chance of it ever reaching 700k on CBBC at this rate. Big hitters, however, such as the more recent Wizards vs Aliens, Sarah Jane Adventures and Tracy Beaker Returns didn't seem to have been affected much in a way.

I agree, but Channel 4 do need something other than the stale shows they show too much of. At least TXF, BB and the like are successes for their channels, but aren't shown almost every day, though repeating these would be a huge task, unlike CDWM, which has hundreds of half hour shows that can be repeated forever.
TXF isn't a show I mind too much. I can tolerate it as background noise in the pub and totally see the appeal. Also from the ratings point of view, not many shows have matched it in recent years.

What happened to The Bank Job on Channel 4 ? Is it axed ? It made for an alternative to Million Pound Drop which has now been massively over exposed.

The last I heard they were going to rework it for daytime but that's a good six months ago so presumably it's been axed - though it's poor ratings weren't far off what MPD has been getting lately.

On that front good to see it doesn't look like C4 are squeezing another series in before Christmas, though Alan Carr will host a Mash Up special with the Loose Women as contestant in the New Year.

That's an exceptionally low rating for BBC1 10pm news.

I thought that in general the BBC1 10pm news rating was very resilient even when faced with a very poor lead-in. For some reason on this occasion it wasn't.

Also noteworthy that ITV1 news was at 10.30pm. So might have thought that would help the BBC1 bulletin (as some viewers who usually watch ITV1 at 10pm would switch).

For some reason (again!) they didn't.

Maybe everyone just felt they would prefer IAC to the latest news on the EU budget!!!

5 minute breakdowns for last week's The X Factor and Strictly:

Saturday 17th November 2012
Strictly Come Dancing
18:30 - 7.76m (35.88%)
18:35 - 8.65m (38.61%)
18:40 - 9.28m (41.06%)
18:45 - 10.00m (43.01%)
18:50 - 9.73m (41.86%)
18:55 - 10.00m (42.45%)
19:00 - 10.26m (43.72%)
19:05 - 10.44m (44.10%)
19:10 - 10.71m (45.05%)
19:15 - 10.68m (44.67%)
19:20 - 10.67m (44.51%)
19:25 - 11.14m (46.37%)
19:30 - 11.01m (45.84%)
19:35 - 11.04m (45.96%)
19:40 - 11.39m (47.49%)
19:45 - 11.19m (46.24%)
19:50 - 11.45m (47.09%)
19:55 - 10.54m (44.86%)

The X Factor
20:00 - 6.56m (27.23%)
20:05 - 8.28m (33.73%)
20:10 - 8.18m (33.86%)
20:15 - 7.73m (32.34%)
20:20 - 8.92m (35.85%)
20:25 - 8.93m (36.02%)
20:30 - 8.97m (35.96%)
20:35 - 7.67m (31.73%)
20:40 - 8.98m (35.62%)
20:45 - 9.36m (38.09%)
20:50 - 7.73m (33.04%)
20:55 - 9.16m (37.68%)
21:00 - 8.37m (35.19%)
21:05 - 8.50m (35.17%)
21:10 - 9.44m (38.49%)
21:15 - 7.98m (33.76%)

Sunday 18th November 2012
Strictly Come Dancing
19:20 - 8.88m (32.69%)
19:25 - 9.50m (35.07%)
19:30 - 9.69m (35.09%)
19:35 - 9.98m (35.80%)
19:40 - 10.54m (38.22%)
19:45 - 10.53m (37.76%)
19:50 - 10.77m (38.59%)
19:55 - 9.50m (34.88%)

The X Factor
20:00 - 8.35m (30.58%)
20:05 - 9.00m (32.30%)
20:10 - 9.41m (33.35%)
20:15 - 9.16m (32.59%)
20:20 - 8.64m (31.01%)
20:25 - 9.68m (34.01%)
20:30 - 8.75m (31.44%)
20:35 - 10.08m (34.81%)
20:40 - 9.53m (33.63%)
20:45 - 11.14m (37.78%)
20:50 - 11.69m (39.27%)
20:55 - 10.21m (35.95%)

Includes +1.

Also, here's Take Me Out's timeshift for 10th November, overnights versus officials:

18:50 - 2.33m (9.74%) vs 2.47m (9.70%) - timeshift of 141k
18:55 - 2.51m (10.37%) vs 2.83m (10.98%) - timeshift of 327k
19:00 - 2.67m (10.93%) vs 3.01m (11.45%) - timeshift of 338k
19:05 - 2.87m (11.68%) vs 3.19m (12.05%) - timeshift of 318k
19:10 - 2.51m (10.25%) vs 2.65m (10.15%) - timeshift of 144k
19:15 - 2.87m (11.44%) vs 3.22m (11.95%) - timeshift of 348k
19:20 - 2.85m (11.37%) vs 3.11m (11.57%) - timeshift of 256k
19:25 - 2.93m (11.88%) vs 3.11m (11.88%) - timeshift of 179k
19:30 - 3.34m (13.41%) vs 3.66m (13.67%) - timeshift of 316.5k
19:35 - 3.20m (12.95%) vs 3.42m (12.95%) - timeshift of 219k
19:40 - 3.25m (13.15%) vs 3.46m (13.14%) - timeshift of 209k
19:45 - 3.55m (14.22%) vs 3.77m (14.13%) - timeshift of 219.5k
19:50 - 3.28m (13.24%) vs 3.42m (12.92%) - timeshift of 139k
19:55 - 3.99m (16.03%) vs 4.31m (16.21%) - timeshift of 326.5k
20:00 - 4.60m (19.24%) vs 4.74m (18.82%) - timeshift of 144k

For a show that skews young, that is a very small timeshift - not enough to make it into ITV1's Top 30 for the week, which is embarrassing for the show that serves as The X Factor's lead-in.

Thanks for those numbers. They are as to be expected low but will they as you say probably get lower numbers on CBBC. But I do think it's a good thing it's moving on regardless of how sad and nostalgic us oldies get. Times have moved on and I bet you CBBC numbers would be a lot bigger with BBC iPlayer added in. But I really think the time has come for BBC One and Two to bid fair well to children's TV because there is a decreasing need for it on those channels because of CBBC and Cbeebies.

The thing I have a problem with is if they don't try some new things in those slots. They now have a chance to win those slots and offer some quality programming for adults. I bet they wont bother. It will be flog it and the rest of the BBC Two gang.

One other point. Seeing how well the repeats of breakaway are doing on BBC Two it would be nice to see BBC One alternate it with pointless and maybe put Perfection in there as well. But the again if you are going to keep all of the BBC Two stuff why take it off BBC Two!

Ken

Was wondering yesterday how Newsround might rate with people waiting for Pointless - not that high it seems. As for CBBC overall the BBC look at the number of kids watching, not the headline figures - so although Blue Peter might get more viewers for it's BBC1 outing, more kids probably watch it on CBBC.

The BBC News at 10 is always slightly dependent on the lead-in. There's been a few occasions recently when the News has been a bit below average because the 9pm shows are being dented by I'm A Celeb. I think it's a testament to BBC News that the show can still get over 3m when the lead-in was well below 2m.