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The Ratings Thread (Part 43)
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Glenn A
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“the average year on year drop for X-Factor is 20%

The officials for Live Show 6 are down 25% and results down 30%, leaving it as it is will kill the show.

The problem is however messing with the judging line up, is part of the problem, mess with it again, and you could very well make it worse.

As for the final, whilst I am aware I said the average drop was 80% I would be surprise if the drop isn't 25% - 30%, take that 25% and you get a final results show of 10.07 (official's). TBH it feels like I might be, being kind only taking 25% of its audience off, it could very well loose 30%”

TXF is still big, but I think it's coming to the end of its shelf life. Meanwhile the even older IAC continues to surprise people by pulling in 8-9 million viewers to a format that largely died out in the late noughties.
Charnham
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Score:
“Not sure how that'll work with a public vote. Maybe nobody is being voted off in the first week so they can pre-record the first show?

Could just be a rehearsal - I know other shows have given out tickets to dress rehearsals before now (I remember a couple of people briefly thinking that Dancing on Ice was moving to Wednesdays a few years ago before they realised it was a rehearsal).”

how much are ITV paying people to attend filming?
Hassaan13
25-11-2012
Looking at that top 70 chart, I have a feeling The Voice won't be there for much longer, the Strictly and IAC finals might beat it.
cylon6
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“ where is that official?”

A TV site jumped the gun the official announcement comes out at midnight about the end of Merlin.

But it's no secret when you read the special effects guys were tweeting about it being the final time they would work on the show and the horses were being sold, location being winded down etc.
Charnham
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“A TV site jumped the gun the official announcement comes out at midnight about the end of Merlin.

But it's no secret when you read the special effects guys were tweeting about it being the final time they would work on the show and the horses were being sold, location being winded down etc.”

a link maybe?

I think its a real shame, even IF Morgana is defeated this season, it still feels like there is at least another series in it.
Chris1964
25-11-2012
[quote=Charnham;62571926]a link maybe?

I think its a real shame, even IF Morgan is defeated this season, it still feels like there is at least another series in it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am quite shocked. One more series was needed imo.
iaindb
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Looking at that top 70 chart, I have a feeling The Voice won't be there for much longer, the Strictly and IAC finals might beat it.”

Last year the consolidated figure for the IAC final was 11.1m including +1. This year it has the same slot but will probably have a lower lead-in so I don't think it will overtake The Voice's 11.99m. But maybe tonight's show will (in the consolidated figures).
Chris1964
25-11-2012
If Merlin has gone, big test for whatever follows as opposition to a certain to be revamped X Factor next year.
iaindb
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“If Merlin has gone, big test for whatever follows as opposition to a certain to be revamped X Factor next year.”

Bet it's In It To Win It.
Hassaan13
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“And you're surprised by this?

X Factor has shown precisely nothing this series to suggest viewers care as much as previous years, or are ever likely to care as much as previous years.

It's a shame you weren't a member in 2010. Me thinks you'd have had a lot more fun than you're having this year.”

I think these 'controversial' decisions are hampering the ratings more this year than help (which is what happened in previous years). The quicker they get rid of Rylan the better (that wouldn't be controversial in my opinion).

I'm more surprised that it's actually taken a drop from last week being the quarter finals, and the fact that the second bootcamp episode remains the highest rated show of the series so far. Usually the highest rated show (until the final) would be one of the results shows.

Series average stands at 9.64m in the officials (including HD) a the moment. BGT's series average this year was 10.18m (again, including HD). So I have a feeling BGT will beat it XF in series average for the first time.
morph1970
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Series average stands at 9.64m in the officials (including HD) a the moment. BGT's series average this year was 10.18m (again, including HD). So I have a feeling BGT will beat it XF in series average for the first time.”

Certainly not the first time.

In 2009 the series average for The X Factor was 13.00m, and for Britain's Got Talent the series average was 13.37m.
johnnymc
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“If Merlin has gone, big test for whatever follows as opposition to a certain to be revamped X Factor next year.”

Doctor Who celebrates its fiftieth anniversary on Saturday 23rd November next year, its an episode that probably will be pitched against the X Factor if not the series.
mossy2103
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“But it's no secret when you read the special effects guys were tweeting about it being the final time they would work on the show and the horses were being sold, location being winded down etc.”

Comments such as this one perhaps?

Quote:
“A member of Merlin's special effects team has hinted that Merlin's upcoming fifth series will be its last.

Freelance special effects tech Andy Adam tweeted: "A bit gutted, final ever block in France will be without me.....!"

The fantasy drama is shot in Cardiff and on location at the Château de Pierrefonds in France.

Update:

Don't panic, Andy has since commented: "Sorry guys....but my tweet was about me, not the show....I am moving on to another show, because of work commitments it would have been MY last ever block in France..."

Really sorry for the false alarm!
”

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headli...after-series-5
nick202
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“Doctor Who celebrates its fiftieth anniversary next on Saturday 23rd November next year.”

That's a point - had completely forgotten about DW's 50th. If they do a 13-week run starting on August 31st, episode 13 will fall on the 23rd November, and then there'll be a month's break for the Christmas special, so Merlin-wise it looks like they might be clearing the decks (although if the news is true, it's a shame they didn't just hold off until Jan 2014 for a sixth run).
Charnham
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Comments such as this one perhaps?


http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headli...after-series-5”

this is why I hate Twitter, I will wait for official news from the BBC.
cylon6
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Comments such as this one perhaps?

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headli...after-series-5”

Yes like that one. And the other ones that I've read.

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“this is why I hate Twitter, I will wait for official news from the BBC.”

Big news at midnight.
cylon6
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“a link maybe?

I think its a real shame, even IF Morgana is defeated this season, it still feels like there is at least another series in it.”

It's been deleted. But all will be revealed at midnight.
Charnham
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Yes like that one. And the other ones that I've read.



Big news at midnight.”

sadly I wont be up at midnight (early start tomorrow) but I will pop in, in the morning, have a little look.
mossy2103
25-11-2012
There will be some red faces if there is no such announcement at midnight.
Charnham
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“There will be some red faces if there is no such announcement at midnight. ”

a few million disappointed ones if it does get announced.
Steve Williams
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'm assuming ITV didn't have first choice rights on Celtic's matches, otherwise they would have probably chosen the Barcelona match on Matchday 3.”

They do have first choice rights to Celtic games because they're broadcasting to Scotland - but it wouldn't have been a shoo-in anyway because Man U vs anyone would still get bigger ratings than Barcelona vs Celtic, I think.

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I always felt ITV were better with the news at 12.30 and then Loose Women at 1pm as an alternative to the 1pm news. Surely any Loose Women fan who isn't going to watch the news isn't going to be staying tuned at 1.30pm, so surely better to get the head start on the BBC with the lunchtime news then offer an alternative to their news at 1pm which could hold viewers through their afternoon daytime line up.”

I've always wondered this, it also doesn't help that Loose Women doesn't start on a BBC1 junction and surely the kind of thing they talk about is too similar to what they've just been doing on This Morning, it's more or less the same programme. And the news at 1.30 always makes it look out of date compared to the Beeb.

Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Wow spectacularly awful for Me & Mrs Jones, just what went wrong with that show ?”

It didn't help that it missed a week for Children in Need so I wonder if many viewers thought it might already have finished. That scheduling was not very sensible, it should have started a week earlier. And also it's far too slight a sitcom to work on primetime BBC1 opposite I'm A Celeb, Hebburn would have been a more mainstream proposition, I think.

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“The Sun lists 8 past celebrities but 1 newcomer. Add in Fabrice and, assuming The Sun's story is true that's 10 celebs in total, in which case it has to be a 90 minute special, surely.”

I dunno, though, because as you say The Sun mentions this Champion of Champions business, and they're going way back too with the likes of Tash Kaplinsk, whereas you'll notice that story about Muamba mentions other celebs "yet to be announced". And it would be very strange, I think, to have former champions plus Muamba and someone from JLS competing together, people who have won the series against people who have never danced before. And how would they sell it, Champion Of Champions Plus Two Others?

That's why I still wonder if we're actually going to get two Strictlys over Christmas, a Christmas special and then also a Champion of Champions, what with this being the tenth series.

Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“Someone said earlier on that Miranda will be starting on Christmas day. I think this is a mistake they should have run the series and held one back for Christmas so it could gain some traction.

But I can kind off see why they have done it. The problem is that the programs Top rating so far I think was 5m ish for the repeat of the Christmas special. So Miranda if you think about it is a bit off an unknown so is therefore a risk.”

I don't think so, Gavin and Stacey was mentioned before and also the likes of Catherine Tate have done alright on Christmas Day when before they'd only been on BBC2. Even The Royle Family was quite a big risk on Christmas Day when they first showed it there in 1999, there'd only been one series on BBC1 before, but it still got good ratings opposite Millionaire in its pomp.

Originally Posted by garyessex:
“Is that a new Live at the Apollo?”

Well, new in the sense that that particular episode hasn't been on before but not in the sense that there are any new ideas or comedians on it. This is the problem, they repeat it so often and every episode's the same so nobody cares about a new episode.

Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“The BBC Christmas schedule is formulaic, has been the same schedule for last seven years where is the new ideas? C'mon needs more imagination to get viewers to watch. Eastenders has hardly a festive spirit with a great big murder at Christmas, I predict viewers will choose Downtown or switch their X boxes, Wii games on. BBC needs to rethink what they produce.”

Have you ever met Brekkie? I think you'd get on terribly well. And this is rubbish anyway, this year we're going to get at least some of Call the Midwife, Room On The Broom, Mr Stink, Miranda and Mrs Brown's Boys, none of which have been on Christmas Day before. BBC1 always show new things on Christmas Day, the longest running thing in primetime is Doctor Who which started in 2005 which is still not as long a run as the likes of The Generation Game (eleven consecutive Christmas Days between 1971 and 1981) and Only Fools and Horses (nine consecutive Christmas Days from 1985 to 1993).

Whereas ITV is Corrie, Emmerdale, Downton and probably Family Fortunes and You've Been Framed. EXACTLY the same as last year.

Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“To be fair though, in previous years the Saturday evening schedule did not have has many big hitters competing for the 6-9pm slots in the Autumn (Casualty could only really be scheduled after 8pm anyway), and this year was the first autumn with Doctor Who for many years..”

Yes, the reason Casaulty is on so late is that now we have Merlin, and before that Who, whereas going back into the mid-nineties, after Strictly it would go straight to the lottery and Casualty and that would be over near enough nine o'clock to put another drama on, which they would often do, a la Sea of Souls or something. And they could still do that now if Merlin wasn't there. But I still wonder whether drama or comedy work post-watershed on Saturdays anyway when you're less likely to see every episode, at least with Casualty you can just dip in and out of it.

Originally Posted by Score:
“Not sure how that'll work with a public vote. Maybe nobody is being voted off in the first week so they can pre-record the first show?”

Don't think they need to bother with a phone vote on celebrity diving, do they? Either you dive well or you don't. I'm thinking this will entirely be pre-recorded.
Brekkie
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“It's official.

Merlin will end once and for all this Christmas with a two part special.
”

Well they could only get away with using the same plot 13 times a series for so long - better to quit before any real damage is done. And fair play to producers to having a five year plan and sticking to it when it could probably have gone on another year or two.

I guess The Three Musketeers is lined up to replace it next year (or even Doctor Who - what's happening with that next year?), or of course they could play hard ball and move Strictly to a roughly 7-9pm slot. Failing that they can easily just put a lottery quiz in the slot again - not very imaginative but the most economic way to fill the slot I'm sure.


P.S. Looks like another drama with a five year plan may be losing one of it's central characters next year:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s183/...th-series.html
dullagj2
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“Big BARB YTD update:

BARB - Top 70 Official Ratings of 2012


23 - 9.11m - Emmerdale (05/01/12) - ITV1/HD”

Thanks for the list Andy

I can't believe the live episode wasn't their highest this year.
Agent F
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Score:
“I think next year could potentially be even worse. If they leave things as they are I suspect they'll be looking at similar declines again which will put it at an unacceptable level for the price they're paying. They could bring Cowell back, give it a bit of a refresh and run it in November-March. That could work and would probably at least stall the decline but it f*cks up their schedules for the rest of the year, with a gaping hole in September/October and would require moving BGT. It would also mess around with ITV's ad revenue.

They certainly can't just leave it though. I read that Syco were hoping to have a new contract finalized in the first half of next year, which seems fairly unlikely. BGT will probably be monitored pretty closely too. It did well this year but if it drops like XF next year then that'll provide further issues.”

I'm hoping BGT will be fine, although there's always the chance of TXF's decline having a knock-on effect. But with its strongest panel ever all returning there's no reason why we should see any big falls next year.
iaindb
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Thanks for the list Andy

I can't believe the live episode wasn't their highest this year.”

I'm seeing Emmerdale Live as 9.47m on ITV1/HD (8.83m + 0.64m)
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