According to the schedules posted yesterday, ee is movig around a lot over Christmas with random 9pm starts. All this moving around will cause more confusion for fans and make it difficult for its ratings to improve much

They should move it to 9pm every day running up to Christmas and throw lots of promotion at it.

That would be very interesting.

Ken

Good Heavens very sad ratings for CBBC there.

How the mighty has fallen. Grange Hill, Byker Grove and Blue Peter used to draw audiences of 3 million.

How can the BBC Trust stand by and watch CBBC slowly die?

Evidence enough that CBBC should remain on BBC1.

Didnt effect it last year. Xmas eve(Sat) 8:45 start. Xmas day and boxing day 9:00pm start and then the Next episode at 7:30 got over 10m and peak of 11.2

Doesn't that happen every Christmas?

Not really, CBBC's figures on BBC One are very similar too, dragging BBC One's all-day share down significantly:

15:05 - Deadly 60: 517k (7.0%)
15:35 - Blue Peter: 324k (3.8%)
16:00 - Horrible Histories: 389k (3.8%)
16:30 - VIP People: 430k (3.6%)
17:00 - Newsround: 706k (5.2%)

Really? The argument that things are moving away from an overnight system is trotted out a lot, and it is of course true, but it's no more true than when it comes to young people and especially really young people. They probably more than anyone watch things on demand as it's all they've ever known. Got to move with the times........

Earlier this week the question on Pointless was Eastenders characters and the actors who play them and TWO of the contestants (who went on to give correct answers) said they never watch Eastenders except when they're visiting relatives. Alexander Armstrong mentioned Christmas.

Looking at the BARB website I see that last year EE got an uplift of a bit less than 2m on Christams Day.

Eastenders, if provisional schedules prove to be correct, looks to have a better lead-in and lead-out this Christmas Day compared with last, but maybe it would do the programme good to be routed by Downton as it might give the BBC the kick up the backside they need to sort the programme out.

If they're not committed to the soap very much as some posters in here are saying, then maybe they should be brave and give the programme the chop.

Coronation St fans are the most paranoid of the lot. I don't know why it has such a defensive fan base as anyone who doesn't like it can see what a badly acted, cheaply made load of old tat it is, same with Emmerdale and EE, but at least their fans are less aggressive. I think because CS is the oldest soap and is strongly Northern its fans are the most defensive of it.

In the overnights for w/e 25th November CBBC has 8 of the places in the Top 10 Children's Programmes chart, with the other 2 belonging to CBeebies.

All these CBBC programmes have at least a quarter of a million viewers and account for between 13.5% and 21% of all kids watching TV at the time. Seems fair enough to me. Yes, children's programme had higher ratings in the past, but so did all genres including the soaps. 9m overnights for Corrie? P**s-poor compared to what it was attracting 10 years ago, But that's the result of the expansion of multichannel TV.

Well I wouldn't go that far! It may just be that I'm a Celebrity is giving ITV1 an all-round boost in primetime which is plausible in my opinion. Same day last year though:

BBC One
20:00 - EastEnders: 7.96m (33.9%) down 1.15m
20:30 - The Two Ronnies Sketchbook: 3.32m (14.1%) down 0.45m
21:00 - Have I Got News For You: 4.68m (18.8%) down 0.60m
21:30 - Live at the Apollo: 3.22m (13.3%) down 0.13m

ITV1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 7.6m (35%) down 0.62m
19:30 - Coronation Street: 8.39m (37.4%) up 0.33m
20:00 - Wild Britain with Ray Mears: 3.23m (13.8%) up 0.23m
20:30 - Coronation Street: 8.5m (35.9%) up 0.28m
21:00 - I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!: 8.41m (34.8%) up 0.73m

It probably is worth noting too that Corrie has had a fairly big storyline this week, but I don't believe it has been trailed. Also, despite Corrie being ahead in the ratings, it won't stop the TV Guides from splattering EastEnders over the front.

I'm a Celebrity's final last year had 9.67m (40.8%), so 0.73m up is about 10.4m.

I think I'm A Celeb should be considered for one of our awards this year. For such an old format that has outlived all its contemporaries, IAC is amazing, consistently attracting 8-9 million viewers.

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That just implies to me BBC1 is rather weak with post-watershed content over the period if they can afford to put EE at 9pm.

Anyway, Merry Christmas everyone. ITV have launched their festive idents today. It has been tipped that the BBC will tonight too - so we'll be sick of them all a good fortnight before Christmas.

Many of these shows would not get the same amount of ratings on CBBC. Horrible Histories would regularly get over 400k (but that is in a later slot), Blue Peter has only once this year gotten over 300k, Deadly 60 hasn't got anywhere near 500k on CBBC. Many young people do prefer the sci-fi/fantasy dramas such as Wolfblood, Wizards vs Aliens and the ratings reflect that. Tracy Beaker Returns, however, did really well for the channel, and they are doing a follow-up (though I'm not sure it will rate as well).

This week's overnights for Wizards vs Aliens (Monday & Tuesday):

Monday: 351k (2.2%)
Tuesday: 390k (2.5%)

Ironic that IAC is boosting ITV and damaging East Enders thanks to an East Enders actress reveling how good an actress she is (as in her character is nothing like the real person) whereas the show tossed out early the Corrie actress who appeared not to have been acting much at all by the looks of her real self.

Since when did Blue Peter get 3 million? But the only chance they ever have of any show getting over a million on CBBC is if it's promoted among the BBC well like Wizards vs Aliens was. There are a number of shows which would need it, such as the entertainment shows.

Thanks DMN. Call The Midwife on the face of it, likely to seriously hurt Corrie then. However there must be a fairly large number of viewers, likely those who watched DOI and Wild At Heart who have no interest in Call The Midwife. ITV may still have a good portion of its regular soap audience available.

At its height Grange Hill attracted 8 million viewers and was the most popular kids show in the early 80s. Teachers said they hated it, but somehow knew everything about the characters.

There's only so many ways you can spin the EastEnders figures. It's not doing well and this is against minimal competition.

Channel 4's The Snowman and the Snowdog is in the schedule for Christmas Eve at 7pm followed by a 'making of' documentary at 7.30pm. It gets a repeat airing Christmas Day at 1.45pm.

Puts it up against BBC One's premiere of A Christmas Carol & Emmerdale / Corrie on ITV.

Channel 4 Christmas Day

10:00 Gordon's Christmas Cookalong
13:45 The Snowman and the Snowdog
14:15 Film: The Wizard of Oz
16:15 Alternative Christmas Message
16:20 Deal or No Deal Big Christmas Dinner
17:20 Channel 4 News
17:30 Film: Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
21:00 Alan Carr: Chatty Man
22:00 Friday Night Dinner
22:30 Rude Tube

The Wizard of Oz is shown on TCM virtually every other week

Grange Hill really did change the world of childrens tv and it was getting figures similar to that of the current run of XF at its height in the three channel age-including many adults because it was so dramatically different to all the stuff before it.(I can remember keeping in touch with GH a number of years after I left school). As I understand it though, the remit of childrens tv these days is only up to age 11 or maybe 12 so equivalent GH stuff probably would not be considered.

Did someone say ITV have got Toy Story 2 as well as the first one? If so do we know where that is currently scheduled?

Obviously the listings aren't confirmed yet but it's clear that ITV have a lot of filler, and their lineup overall doesn't look great. They have some good stuff but they haven't necessarily scheduled it particularly well. BBC1 looks good although I would like to see Mrs Brown's Boys get a Christmas Day slot.

There is also a bit of conflicting information going around as the listings last night had John Bishop's Panto comedy down for Saturday 29th, whereas the ITV Press Centre have it down for Boxing Day at 9pm. The latter would certainly be a better slot for it.

I still think EastEnders will get up to 10m over Christmas. I think Coronation St will hold up reasonably well over Christmas, although it will dip a bit on Christmas Day. Emmerdale will have its usual Christmas fortnight collapse, and then perk up again in January.

I would put an eek smiley on this post, but there aren't any left.

A few weeks back people were asking for this film so people should watch it.