Right I get you I read the first part of your post, this one: I said hopefully not I expect, in one go and was confused as you didn't put hopefully not. But now you've explained I get you.

Well prediction or not I don't really see the need in wanting programmes axed. If you don't like something don't watch it but why would you want a show that millions still watch and enjoy to be axed? Isn't that a bit selfish? I don't understand the logic of that.

My fault, no comma.


It's very selfish, but to be fair, most of those watch out of habbit, the way the ratings and storylines are going, it'd only effect dan2008 .

That must be quite a year on year drop for Eastenders. It does seem to be in quite a bit of bother at the moment. But I wouldn't worry too much about Christmas Day. Everything on BBC1 rates way above usual on the 25th and that's not going to change.

Further Christmas Day musings here and here

Assuming people are interested in Christmas as opposed to burying EastEnders....

I'll take a look

If you have had enough Eastenders skip this post.





Just been delving a bit deeper to see how each showing is getting on.

Eastenders November average overnight ratings:

November 2012 (1 Emmerdale clash)
BBC1 - 7.33m
BBC3 - 456k
Omnibus - 360k (of the 3 reported by DS)
Total - 8.15m

November 2011 (1 Emmerdale clash)
BBC1 - 8.32m
BBC3 - 808k
Omnibus - ??? (appears to be around 900k-1m)
Total - 10.0m

overnight BBC1 ratings year-on-year loss - 11.9%
overnight BBC3 ratings year-on-year loss - 43.6%
overnight omnibus ratings year-on-year loss - 60%
overnight total ratings year-on-year loss - 18.5%

Iplayer is UP approx 175k-190k year-on-year.

IAC and XF ratings will be interesting, as well as tonights ratings considering XF is being given a 'boost' by Corrie.

Saturday 1st December 2012
BBC One
17:30 - A Question of Sport: 3.31m (19.0%)
18:00 - Pointless Celebrities: 4.90m (24.9%)
18:50 - Strictly Come Dancing: 9.89m (41.7%)
* peak: 11.05m (44.9%) at 19:50
20:00 - Merlin: 5.53m (22.9%)
20:45 - Lottery Draws: 3.62m (15.3%)
20:55 - Casualty: 3.58m (14.9%)
21:45 - Live at the Apollo: 2.43m (10.4%)
22:15 - BBC News: 2.82m (12.5%)
22:30 - Match of the Day: 3.49m (24.7%)

BBC Two
19:30 - Dad's Army: 1.27m (5.2%)
20:00 - Attenborough: 60 Years in the Wild: 1.45m (6.0%)
21:00 - QI XL: 1.46m (6.1%)
21:45 - Michael Jackson: Bad 25: 807k (4.6%)

ITV1
17:30 - The Golden Rules of TV: 1.53m (8.9%)
18:00 - You've Been Framed!: 2.21m (11.6%)
18:30 - Take Me Out: 2.69m (11.7%) , +1: 195k (0.8%)
20:00 - The X Factor: 7.75m (32.4%) , +1: 246k (1.0%)
* peak: 8.62m (35.4%) at 21:20 exc +1
* peak: 8.95m (36.7%) at 21:20 inc +1
21:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!: 9.44m (40.5%) , +1: 365k (2.3%)
* peak: 10.22m (44.7%) at 22:15 exc +1
* peak: 10.65m (46.6%) at 22:15 inc +1
22:30 - ITV News: 2.49m (12.9%)
22:45 - The FA Cup Highlights: 506k (3.5%)

Channel 4
21:00 - FILM: Star Trek: 989k (4.7%)

Channel 5
21:00 - International Boxing: 1.25m (5.7%)

ESPN
16:30 - Reading vs Manchester United: 480k (2.5%)
* peak: 789k (4.1%) at 18:10

ITV2
21:30 - The Xtra Factor: 183k (0.8%)
22:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here Now!: 1.37m (8.2%)

Sky Sports 1
13:30 - Live Rugby Union: 464k (4.0%)
* peak: 941k (7.3%) at 16:00

Sky Sports 2
12:30 - Live Ford Football Special: 878k (9.0%)
* peak: 1.45m (13.5%) at 14:30

Disaster

I never would have imagined it would have gone lower being the semi-final. The weather wasn't too good either.

9.8m for IAC and 8m for XF with +1 included. Both should be half a million higher, although Strictly was slightly below where it's been for the past couple of weeks too so seems to be a general trend.

I'm A Celebrity would probably have broken 11m had they done the final tonight - I don't see why they do it on a Saturday instead. The Katherine Jenkins thing could air over Christmas.

Bit of a blow for Strictly, absolute disaster for TXF.

It was the semi final!

Wonder if Christmas party season is now denting the weekend numbers?

Bit of a disaster all round for ITV. I've mentioned XF, but Xtra Factor's figure was expected with IAC on at the same time, and Take Me Out is really suffering, that's got to be it's lowest overnight figure ever!

The IAC final last year:

9.66m (40.8%): +1: 232k (1.4%)
*peak: 10.23m (42.94%)

Surely not from 8 to 9:30, then suddenly another 1.69m tune in for IAC.

The fifth live show had:

7.6m (32.3%), +1: 357k (1.8%)
*peak: 8.09m (34.1%)

So it was close to being the lowest rated live show of the series.

The disaaaaaaarstrous txf ratings show why the BBC schedulers are a bunch of numpties for needlessly caving in next Sunday night.

Chumps.

What is their schedule like next Sunday night?

Channel 5's boxing coverage peaked at a strong 1.63m (8.1%).

After the boxing, BAMMA 11 averaged 402k (3.5%) and beat ITV1.

And from the alternative perspective:

Saturday 1st December 2012 - Adults 16 to 34
BBC One
17:30 - A Question of Sport: 220k (7.5%)
18:00 - Pointless Celebrities: 377k (11.1%)
18:50 - Strictly Come Dancing: 924k (22.9%)
* peak: 1.10m (26.9%) at 19:50
20:00 - Merlin: 753k (17.1%)
20:45 - Lottery Draws: 280k (6.6%)
20:55 - Casualty: 336k (7.7%)
21:45 - Live at the Apollo: 339k (7.9%)
22:15 - BBC News: 246k (5.9%)
22:30 - Match of the Day: 680k (23.2%)

ITV1 (inc +1)
17:30 - The Golden Rules of TV: 184k (6.3%)
18:00 - You've Been Framed!: 313k (9.7%)
18:30 - Take Me Out: 905k (22.9%)
* peak: 1.17m (28.7%) at 19:30
20:00 - The X Factor: 1.83m (41.6%)
* peak: 2.21m (46.1%) at 21:20
21:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!: 2.08m (48.6%)
* peak: 2.33m (52.9%) at 21:55

So at least XF advertisers might be happy.

Stannah Stairlifts and Saga must be gutted Strictly doesn't have ads! (-;

Very poor for X Factor, 25% drop from last year which is the worst drop for any live show this series. If it replicates that for the Sunday final next week it'll miss 10m, even including +1.

As for the 16-34 numbers, yes it's very strong there and indeed it's quite clear what ITV have in mind with their TMO/XF/IAC line-up in peak advertising time but it should be a lot stronger.

IAC scheduling backfiring as well.

I think XF destroyed it with the scheduling for the first few live shows. A 10:35pm finish was ridiculous.

Sorry to add yet another EE post - it will bring home the bacon on Christmas Day, but longer term it needs a serious overhaul. I can see three key issues:-
1. Derivative storylines - the big plots this Christmas ( the Kat reveal and the death) are retreads of stories which have been done before much more effectively.

2. The lack of heart - except for Ann Mitchell, there just aren't any of those characters who give the show warmth.

3. Repetitive storylines - Jamie Foreman has gone on record recently to say he felt he was effectively replaying the same scenes every few episodes as Derek. This is the case with stories being artificially extended way beyond their lifespan.

I do think promoting Lorraine Newman from kirkwood's second in command was a mistake - the show needed a fresh pair of eyes at the top as soon as he left.

And the upmarket 16-34's that watch Strictly compared to the downmarket 16-34's that watch X Factor.

Think about this people. The X Factor is down but EastEnders would kill for these ratings now!

Bad night for Itv1. Golden Rules and YBF got terrible ratings. Take me out got its worst ratings of the series and thrashed by BBC. XFactor worst semi final ratings ever. IAc is it worst final ratings in 5 series. At such a crucial time of the year, these ratings are not good enough and advertisers must be fuming.

Strictly should be averaging 11m now. Could BGT be the highest rated reality show of 2012? Don't rule it out.

Yes advertisers must be fuming at missing out on that extra 0.2m on IAC's final compared to last year, maybe ITV will let them have about 20p off their next batch of adverts.