I dont hate any of them, I just think based on whose left its about her time to go this week or next
The more threads about Victoria, the more likely she's going to go further
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What's more tiresomely repetitive, reading the EXACT same people make the EXACT same criticisms of Victoria over and over again, or watching one of Lisa's identikit FUN dance routines?
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“no, for me she wont , I really liked and admired her and thought she must be a real role model for young girls
I still like her but her persona has grated a lot at times and now dont see her as a potential role model and I find that really sad.
She needs to stop relying on others to prop her up mentally off the velodrome I think she did this show to quickly after the olympics”
“no, for me she wont , I really liked and admired her and thought she must be a real role model for young girls
I still like her but her persona has grated a lot at times and now dont see her as a potential role model and I find that really sad.
She needs to stop relying on others to prop her up mentally off the velodrome I think she did this show to quickly after the olympics”
I don't see how you can say that you don't see her as a potential role model. To me she and the other female athletes(and male athletes- excluding some footballers) are the definition of a role model !!! Someone who has achieved so much through hard work and dedication.
I would much rather see young girls looking to the likes of Victoria, Jessica Ennis, Rebecca Adlington and Katie Taylor (I'm Irish so had to include her) for a role model than the likes of the TOWIE lot or the Kardashians. At least they are in the public eye for their fantastic achievements and not just for just being on some reality TV show. Regardless of what happens in Strictly, it won't change what Victoria has achieved. I really don't think woman's cycling in Britain would be where it is today without her. When you look at the coverage the rivalry between her and Anna Mears got in the media over the Summer to me that can only be seen as a positive thing for women's sport. I could not have imagined a rivalry between two female athletes getting the same amount of coverage 10-20 years ago.
I think I said what I meant perfectly clear
where have I said I want any of the others you mentioned as role models, and kudos to her for doing what she did in sport
BUT she does seem to need others validation and approval too much for me to want her to be a role model for young girls or indeed children
I would far rather those same children were able to stand on their own feet more and not be as needy as she has been on the programme and hence for me I think she needed time to adjust to normal life before doing SCD.
I will say the same for Loius and his too cool for school attitude as well. If he doesn't want to engage with the programme then walk away but the whole half heartedness of it, despite the threat of tears at Wembley is annoying me too. He reminds me of my sons when they were about 13 and "whatever". I have seen lots on him having ADHD and really don't want to go down that route again as far as I can see he is simply not present and committed to the dance which is a shame. He needed time away from the Olympics as well before trying to do some of his growing up on the television
For both of them I think it was wrong to do the programme when they have no matter how good an idea it seemed at the start.
where have I said I want any of the others you mentioned as role models, and kudos to her for doing what she did in sport
BUT she does seem to need others validation and approval too much for me to want her to be a role model for young girls or indeed children
I would far rather those same children were able to stand on their own feet more and not be as needy as she has been on the programme and hence for me I think she needed time to adjust to normal life before doing SCD.
I will say the same for Loius and his too cool for school attitude as well. If he doesn't want to engage with the programme then walk away but the whole half heartedness of it, despite the threat of tears at Wembley is annoying me too. He reminds me of my sons when they were about 13 and "whatever". I have seen lots on him having ADHD and really don't want to go down that route again as far as I can see he is simply not present and committed to the dance which is a shame. He needed time away from the Olympics as well before trying to do some of his growing up on the television
For both of them I think it was wrong to do the programme when they have no matter how good an idea it seemed at the start.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I'd like to think so but I doubt it . Entering any reality show has consequences for all the celebs whether for good or bad. I think entering SCD may have tarnished her image in some peoples eyes, not mine I like her more.”
“I'd like to think so but I doubt it . Entering any reality show has consequences for all the celebs whether for good or bad. I think entering SCD may have tarnished her image in some peoples eyes, not mine I like her more.”
During 2012 I'd have been disappointed if SCD hadn't secured some Olympians. You'll have to remind me who has suffered because they've stepped into some dancing shoes when there's always sportspeople included and Michael is still there.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I think I said what I meant perfectly clear
BUT she does seem to need others validation and approval too much for me to want her to be a role model for young girls or indeed children
I would far rather those same children were able to stand on their own feet more and not be as needy as she has been on the programme and hence for me I think she needed time to adjust to normal life before doing SCD.”
“I think I said what I meant perfectly clear
BUT she does seem to need others validation and approval too much for me to want her to be a role model for young girls or indeed children
I would far rather those same children were able to stand on their own feet more and not be as needy as she has been on the programme and hence for me I think she needed time to adjust to normal life before doing SCD.”
It’s well know that she has had issues with self-confidence so this is more the likely the reason why she needs validation and approval from others I watched the documentary on her before the Olympics where she said something along the lines always thinking others were disappointed in her even when they weren’t. Hence needing to be told otherwise. I think the self confidence issues she has overcome make her even more of a potential role model as it shows young people that even though you lack confidence in your ability, if you really want something and are willing to work hard you can achieve it.In regards to needing time to adjust to normal life before SCD. I saw some article where she said it was her safety net should the Olympics have not gone to plan and she was using it as a way of readjusting gradually after having such a structured life for the last 10 years. I can see her point in wanting something to fall back as I’ve heard a lot of the athletes say that it can get a bit depressing after the Olympics. Kind of a case of you've worked for something for 4 years and when its over its like oh what do I do now???
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I will say the same for Loius and his too cool for school attitude as well. If he doesn't want to engage with the programme then walk away but the whole half heartedness of it, despite the threat of tears at Wembley is annoying me too. He reminds me of my sons when they were about 13 and "whatever". I have seen lots on him having ADHD and really don't want to go down that route again as far as I can see he is simply not present and committed to the dance which is a shame. He needed time away from the Olympics as well before trying to do some of his growing up on the television
For both of them I think it was wrong to do the programme when they have no matter how good an idea it seemed at the start.”
“I will say the same for Loius and his too cool for school attitude as well. If he doesn't want to engage with the programme then walk away but the whole half heartedness of it, despite the threat of tears at Wembley is annoying me too. He reminds me of my sons when they were about 13 and "whatever". I have seen lots on him having ADHD and really don't want to go down that route again as far as I can see he is simply not present and committed to the dance which is a shame. He needed time away from the Olympics as well before trying to do some of his growing up on the television
For both of them I think it was wrong to do the programme when they have no matter how good an idea it seemed at the start.”
Yes I agree Louis does seem totally disengaged when he is dancing but then again he has probably had it drilled into him over the years not to show emotion when he is preforming his gymnastics routine so it is probably hard to change his mind set to showing emotion when he is dancing.
I don’t think it was wrong for them to be doing the show. I’m sure they see it as an opportunity to do something new and with them being athletes they are really only in the public eye a lot every 4 years for the Olympics so they might as will capitalize on that while they can.
I dont agree that Victoria shows if you work hard you can get there, bless her she IS working hard but the ability to dance well has so far eluded her.
I just think both of the Olympians are so new from the Olympics and are having such adjustments to make and I don't think for their own selves they need to do it on the television , so for me doing SCD has made them less of a figure to be a role model as I wanted my childrens role models to be more well rounded.
I just think both of the Olympians are so new from the Olympics and are having such adjustments to make and I don't think for their own selves they need to do it on the television , so for me doing SCD has made them less of a figure to be a role model as I wanted my childrens role models to be more well rounded.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I dont agree that Victoria shows if you work hard you can get there, bless her she IS working hard but the ability to dance well has so far eluded her.”
“I dont agree that Victoria shows if you work hard you can get there, bless her she IS working hard but the ability to dance well has so far eluded her.”
when i said that Victoria shows hard work can get you there i was referring to her sports career. Yes I agree with the exception of the quickstep and the tango she hasn't been good when it come to dancing. But fair play to her doing something out of her comfort zone
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I just think both of the Olympians are so new from the Olympics and are having such adjustments to make and I don't think for their own selves they need to do it on the television , so for me doing SCD has made them less of a figure to be a role model as I wanted my childrens role models to be more well rounded.”
“I just think both of the Olympians are so new from the Olympics and are having such adjustments to make and I don't think for their own selves they need to do it on the television , so for me doing SCD has made them less of a figure to be a role model as I wanted my childrens role models to be more well rounded.”
If it wasn't Louis and Victoria then it was going to be other Olympians. I think the BBC would have done anything to get some Olympians on this years show.
I am a massive sports fan so to me I'll always see both Louis and Victoria as role models because of their achievements in their respected sports regardless of them taking part in SCD
Originally Posted by lechatnoir:
“What's more tiresomely repetitive, reading the EXACT same people make the EXACT same criticisms of Victoria over and over again, or watching one of Lisa's identikit FUN dance routines?”
“What's more tiresomely repetitive, reading the EXACT same people make the EXACT same criticisms of Victoria over and over again, or watching one of Lisa's identikit FUN dance routines?”
Lisa wins hands down
Gold medal for Lisa
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“During 2012 I'd have been disappointed if SCD hadn't secured some Olympians. You'll have to remind me who has suffered because they've stepped into some dancing shoes when there's always sportspeople included and Michael is still there.”
“During 2012 I'd have been disappointed if SCD hadn't secured some Olympians. You'll have to remind me who has suffered because they've stepped into some dancing shoes when there's always sportspeople included and Michael is still there.”
It was inevitable that there would be a couple.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I just think both of the Olympians are so new from the Olympics and are having such adjustments to make and I don't think for their own selves they need to do it on the television , so for me doing SCD has made them less of a figure to be a role model as I wanted my childrens role models to be more well rounded.”
“I just think both of the Olympians are so new from the Olympics and are having such adjustments to make and I don't think for their own selves they need to do it on the television , so for me doing SCD has made them less of a figure to be a role model as I wanted my childrens role models to be more well rounded.”
Parents, other close family members and teachers should be the main role models for children. We should not be outsourcing the responsibility to show our children how to conduct themselves to sports stars.
The only things we should look to sports stars to demonstrate to our children are:
1 - Hard work and commitment are necessary to succeed
2 - Hard work and commitment are not sufficient to succeed
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“Parents, other close family members and teachers should be the main role models for children. We should not be outsourcing the responsibility to show our children how to conduct themselves to sports stars.
The only things we should look to sports stars to demonstrate to our children are:
1 - Hard work and commitment are necessary to succeed
2 - Hard work and commitment are not sufficient to succeed”
“Parents, other close family members and teachers should be the main role models for children. We should not be outsourcing the responsibility to show our children how to conduct themselves to sports stars.
The only things we should look to sports stars to demonstrate to our children are:
1 - Hard work and commitment are necessary to succeed
2 - Hard work and commitment are not sufficient to succeed”
do you know what my children are both grown up and said we were both brilliant role models as parents thank you very much
However children are influenced by those they see especially those on the television etc whether they are sportsmen/women
Just watched Brendan and Victoria's interview on yesterday's ITT there. Brendan has taken to being horribly passive aggressive to Victoria, hasn't he?
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I'd like to think so but I doubt it . Entering any reality show has consequences for all the celebs whether for good or bad. I think entering SCD may have tarnished her image in some peoples eyes, not mine I like her more.”
“I'd like to think so but I doubt it . Entering any reality show has consequences for all the celebs whether for good or bad. I think entering SCD may have tarnished her image in some peoples eyes, not mine I like her more.”
I really don't think this is the case apart from a handful of posters on DS. As far as the vast majority of the public are concerned she is first & foremost an Olympic Cycling champion not a Striclty contestant and fast forward a few Months even more so.
TBH I don't really think that Strictly ever damages a career in the way that I'm a Celeb or Big Brother Can.
She may have some detractors on here but she's clearly been getting the votes so popular with the public & maybe it will help her get other media work now she's retired. Even if she doesn't she'll still be liked & admired by much of the public whtever happens.
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“During 2012 I'd have been disappointed if SCD hadn't secured some Olympians. You'll have to remind me who has suffered because they've stepped into some dancing shoes when there's always sportspeople included and Michael is still there.”
“During 2012 I'd have been disappointed if SCD hadn't secured some Olympians. You'll have to remind me who has suffered because they've stepped into some dancing shoes when there's always sportspeople included and Michael is still there.”
I don't know if it affected their careers but these people went down in my estimation after being in SCD, Jan Raven, Nancy Dell'Olio, Jerry Hall, Gary Rhodes, Joe Calzaghe, Dominic Littlehood .
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I don't know if it affected their careers but these people went down in my estimation after being in SCD, Jan Raven, Nancy Dell'Olio, Jerry Hall, Gary Rhodes, Joe Calzaghe, Dominic Littlehood .”
“I don't know if it affected their careers but these people went down in my estimation after being in SCD, Jan Raven, Nancy Dell'Olio, Jerry Hall, Gary Rhodes, Joe Calzaghe, Dominic Littlehood .”
nancy and jerry both went up in mine. in entirely different ways, but you really can't put them in the mix with the rest of that bunch of no-hopers. at least nancy and jerry had a sense of humour. each!
Originally Posted by primer:
“nancy and jerry both went up in mine. in entirely different ways, but you really can't put them in the mix with the rest of that bunch of no-hopers. at least nancy and jerry had a sense of humour. each!”
“nancy and jerry both went up in mine. in entirely different ways, but you really can't put them in the mix with the rest of that bunch of no-hopers. at least nancy and jerry had a sense of humour. each!”
Jerry didn't really make any impression on me, but I agree Nancy was a hoot!
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Jerry didn't really make any impression on me, but I agree Nancy was a hoot!”
“Jerry didn't really make any impression on me, but I agree Nancy was a hoot!”
Jerry was fabulous, she left far to early for me.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I don't know if it affected their careers but these people went down in my estimation after being in SCD, Jan Raven, Nancy Dell'Olio, Jerry Hall, Gary Rhodes, Joe Calzaghe, Dominic Littlehood .”
“I don't know if it affected their careers but these people went down in my estimation after being in SCD, Jan Raven, Nancy Dell'Olio, Jerry Hall, Gary Rhodes, Joe Calzaghe, Dominic Littlehood .”
Couldn‘t stop thinking something ghastly happened to sportspeople but if it's your personal list ... although there can’t be too many men who would describe a romance with Kristina as losing.
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“do you know what my children are both grown up and said we were both brilliant role models as parents thank you very much”
“do you know what my children are both grown up and said we were both brilliant role models as parents thank you very much”
Excellent. I'll be glad if mine say the same!
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“However children are influenced by those they see especially those on the television etc whether they are sportsmen/women”
“However children are influenced by those they see especially those on the television etc whether they are sportsmen/women”
Indeed, but there are clearly good, bad and harmless influences to which our children are exposed. It's up to us parents to explain (repeatedly if necessary) why particular behaviour that our children may copy is inappropriate or unwise etc. And to be honest, what "celebs" get up to is pretty trivial in terms of influence on children compared to what children get exposed to at school and when interacting with friends and family. But I'm pretty sure you know this already.
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“Couldn‘t stop thinking something ghastly happened to sportspeople but if it's your personal list ... although there can’t be too many men who would describe a romance with Kristina as losing.”
“Couldn‘t stop thinking something ghastly happened to sportspeople but if it's your personal list ... although there can’t be too many men who would describe a romance with Kristina as losing.”
Jade Johnson crocked her knee and never really competed afterwards.
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“Couldn‘t stop thinking something ghastly happened to sportspeople but if it's your personal list ... although there can’t be too many men who would describe a romance with Kristina as losing.”
“Couldn‘t stop thinking something ghastly happened to sportspeople but if it's your personal list ... although there can’t be too many men who would describe a romance with Kristina as losing.”
interesting to see that Gary Rhodes, Jan Ravens and Dom Littlewood are largely absent form television these days whether it is their choice of the bookers choice
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“interesting to see that Gary Rhodes, Jan Ravens and Dom Littlewood are largely absent form television these days whether it is their choice of the bookers choice”
“interesting to see that Gary Rhodes, Jan Ravens and Dom Littlewood are largely absent form television these days whether it is their choice of the bookers choice”
Dom Littwood is still seen regularly on Fake Britain. (Mostly daytime stuff).
Well, I say well done to Victoria, to Louis and to Michael in particular, non-dancers that have improved week by week.
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