Wow wave, the evidence is right in front of you this time and still you deny it.
There's a reason I don't let myself get involved in these 'friendly debates'.
There's a reason I don't let myself get involved in these 'friendly debates'.
EE 4G prices not as bad as portrayed
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Even in the face of a direct quote from those who are in a position to say, Wave knows better. An article he posted about and relied upon for his point in a post yesterday is not accepted when posted in reply to him today.
You'll never be able to have a sensible discussion under these terms.
You'll never be able to have a sensible discussion under these terms.
So why has EE with it's new capacity LTE and data speed technology that is better than all other operators decided to limit data to its customers?
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
I like how you still haven't acknowledged that Three is actually working at 17% capicuty as the link you posted points out.
This is going to be a long night...
This is going to be a long night...
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“The big question is if it's technically feasible to offer unlimited data why the majors have not chosen to compete head on? They have done with calls and texts so why not data, even EE with LTE has steered clear of that proposition.”
“The big question is if it's technically feasible to offer unlimited data why the majors have not chosen to compete head on? They have done with calls and texts so why not data, even EE with LTE has steered clear of that proposition.”
Reasons i feel they have not are:
EE to recoup the cost of the 4G investment, 2G overhaul and 3G merge and they maybe feel they don't need to because of new product interest ie first UK LTE. Why allow unlimited if you can get people to run out of allowance even quicker. Orange is a premium brand apparently so you won't see any Full Monty style plans being actively marketed.
O2 to pay for catching up in 3G and they have business users that don't care. Do not currently have the capacity at most sites, already struggling money wise as a group, why give cheap data if you can gloss it up and charge more for it. (O2 moments, tickets etc etc)
Voda to pay for 4G as they will be going all out for maximum 4G spectrum which will cost and they have many 2G and business customers that don't just change plans on the sight of a new offer... ie status quo/don't care.
Traditionally Voda and O2 have also been slower to adapt to new offerings/competition. ie Vodafone Red is only just starting to match the plans introduced a year or two ago by Three and others.
Originally Posted by tarzion:
“Then why not have different tarrifs catering for the different user bases one who talk and text a lot and the other who use data a lot?”
“Then why not have different tarrifs catering for the different user bases one who talk and text a lot and the other who use data a lot?”
Dunno, nobody consulted me!
Because 4G will be expensive (as it's new, 1 exclusive operator, EE or any other new operator need to recover investment cost) they are trying to mitigate this by offering Unlimited Texts/Calls. You wouldn't see much of a reduction if they offered less mins/texts and would be from a marketing stand point weaker.
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“Mobile phones are still used for lots of voice calls and texting..... despite the age of the Internet and Facebook messaging etc.
I teach youngsters in an FE college and the biggest distraction in classes is still the use of SMS, Facebook is becoming more popular for messaging but SMS and BBM are currently the biggest distractions because most young people have those facilities presently and they are free to use on handsets they can afford without having to subscribe to expensive monthly contracts.”
“Mobile phones are still used for lots of voice calls and texting..... despite the age of the Internet and Facebook messaging etc.
I teach youngsters in an FE college and the biggest distraction in classes is still the use of SMS, Facebook is becoming more popular for messaging but SMS and BBM are currently the biggest distractions because most young people have those facilities presently and they are free to use on handsets they can afford without having to subscribe to expensive monthly contracts.”
I bet the majority of them are on BBM or Whatsapp, which is data, not texts.
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“Why have the UK's biggest mobile network operators chosen to limit data on their price plans?”
“Why have the UK's biggest mobile network operators chosen to limit data on their price plans?”
As I have been saying since the announcement, 4G is a new technology to us here, when technology is new you expect to pay a premium and have the capabilities capped.
Just look at 3G, I can remember when data cost an absolute fortune.
You cannot claim that any of the other networks are going to offer unlimited data, because you do not know.
Just because they offer it on their 3G offering doesn't mean it will carry over to 4G.
I won't be getting 4G any time soon, until it becomes less of a premium product and more mainstream, like 3G has become.
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“How are O2 overpriced when they do Unl Mins&Texts & 1GB Data for £20pm on a 12 month contract (2GB- £25pm)
Another example is that when you run out of data you can pay £3 extra for 50mb (one 1 min HD Youtube video). On three you can pay £3 when you run out of data for truly unlimited data!”
“How are O2 overpriced when they do Unl Mins&Texts & 1GB Data for £20pm on a 12 month contract (2GB- £25pm)
Another example is that when you run out of data you can pay £3 extra for 50mb (one 1 min HD Youtube video). On three you can pay £3 when you run out of data for truly unlimited data!”
Actually, I was forgetting about the O2 Simplicity plan. I take it back, it's just that I have my wife's and daughter's phones both on O2 and for historical reasons paying £42 per month, but I haven't got around to changing them to SIM only plans (they've only just gone out of contract).
Not quite sure where you get the £3 for 50MB for excess data. The link below on their page says 4GB for £20 -
http://shop.ee.co.uk/ee-nano-sim/4ge...onthly/extras/
BTW I will tell you whether I perceive EE's 4G of good value when I have been using it for a while (I am waiting for my SIM to arrive).
Actually, looking again, Simplicity's not that much better compared with Orange. £25 for 2GB but on a 12 month contract. I pay £31 for the flexibility of 30 days for the same data, but I only have to use Orange Wednesday once in a month to negate the difference. And did I mention that O2 seem to have lousy coverage (for where I go anyway).
The thing is though, these are just stock prices which are normally high end.
Third parties such as CPW and P4U do cheaper deals for 3G contracts.
Other lesser known third parties do much better deals for 3G
People who upgrade to 3G usually get a good retention deal. e.g i'm paying half the standard price.
Plus on 3G contracts you don't have to be tied in for 12 months.
So the 4G contracts are not good value at all.
The £3 for 50mb was mentioned at the launch event and is in EE's infograph thingy. Not sure why it's not on the site but i think its an option when you run out of data.
Third parties such as CPW and P4U do cheaper deals for 3G contracts.
Other lesser known third parties do much better deals for 3G
People who upgrade to 3G usually get a good retention deal. e.g i'm paying half the standard price.
Plus on 3G contracts you don't have to be tied in for 12 months.
So the 4G contracts are not good value at all.
The £3 for 50mb was mentioned at the launch event and is in EE's infograph thingy. Not sure why it's not on the site but i think its an option when you run out of data.
Originally Posted by Bagsbunny:
“People slating the EE 4g prices (I work for 'em) always leave out the value of the unlimited calls and texts, and focus only on the data allowance, as if that's all you were getting. Now, I'm a good example of someone who doesn't do much calling,internet is my main activity on my phone. But,believe it or not, there are people who also like/need to talk a lot. Their perception of value may therefore be different.”
“People slating the EE 4g prices (I work for 'em) always leave out the value of the unlimited calls and texts, and focus only on the data allowance, as if that's all you were getting. Now, I'm a good example of someone who doesn't do much calling,internet is my main activity on my phone. But,believe it or not, there are people who also like/need to talk a lot. Their perception of value may therefore be different.”
But 4G is all about data is it not?
It's quite possible that their 4GEE pay monthly plans will go the same way as their 4G mobile broadband plans and see increases in the data allowance. Especially if the Christmas take up of 4G isn't as high as they are expecting. Who knows, by holding off for a while you might be able to force them into expanding their plans into a more appealing deal?
It was always a good plan for them to keep it high until after Christmas then reduce it a bit in the New year.. then reduce a little/offer more again when the other networks come online (not that i feel the other networks on 4G will be that much cheaper)
Originally Posted by Bagsbunny:
“Dunno, nobody consulted me!”
“Dunno, nobody consulted me!”
Originally Posted by Bagsbunny:
“People slating the EE 4g prices (I work for 'em) always leave out the value of the unlimited calls and texts, and focus only on the data allowance, as if that's all you were getting. Now, I'm a good example of someone who doesn't do much calling,internet is my main activity on my phone. But,believe it or not, there are people who also like/need to talk a lot. Their perception of value may therefore be different.”
“People slating the EE 4g prices (I work for 'em) always leave out the value of the unlimited calls and texts, and focus only on the data allowance, as if that's all you were getting. Now, I'm a good example of someone who doesn't do much calling,internet is my main activity on my phone. But,believe it or not, there are people who also like/need to talk a lot. Their perception of value may therefore be different.”
You are defending EE's pricing...
As the one who started this thread I thought I'd report back on my first bill. I am delighted because it came in at exactly £31 which is my contracted monthly amount. The reason I am pleased with this is because I was previously on the Orange iPhone 31 plan which theoretically is the same cost, but looking back at my bills for the last 9 months they averaged £51. And this was mainly for out of plan charges for calling my answerphone and data overruns. Given that EE have promised to warn me before I go over my data quota, it looks like LTE is actually going to save me money and yet give me more data.
Out of interest though, can't say that LTE has actually given me much practical improvement, don't really notice any difference in Leeds to when I am away from Leeds.
Out of interest though, can't say that LTE has actually given me much practical improvement, don't really notice any difference in Leeds to when I am away from Leeds.
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“As the one who started this thread I thought I'd report back on my first bill. I am delighted because it came in at exactly £31 which is my contracted monthly amount. The reason I am pleased with this is because I was previously on the Orange iPhone 31 plan which theoretically is the same cost, but looking back at my bills for the last 9 months they averaged £51. And this was mainly for out of plan charges for calling my answerphone and data overruns. Given that EE have promised to warn me before I go over my data quota, it looks like LTE is actually going to save me money and yet give me more data.
Out of interest though, can't say that LTE has actually given me much practical improvement, don't really notice any difference in Leeds to when I am away from Leeds.”
“As the one who started this thread I thought I'd report back on my first bill. I am delighted because it came in at exactly £31 which is my contracted monthly amount. The reason I am pleased with this is because I was previously on the Orange iPhone 31 plan which theoretically is the same cost, but looking back at my bills for the last 9 months they averaged £51. And this was mainly for out of plan charges for calling my answerphone and data overruns. Given that EE have promised to warn me before I go over my data quota, it looks like LTE is actually going to save me money and yet give me more data.
Out of interest though, can't say that LTE has actually given me much practical improvement, don't really notice any difference in Leeds to when I am away from Leeds.”
This^
LTE is great for heavy data users who download/stream etc... Not for average users who use maybe 1GB/2GB per month. People are just being bought by the faster speeds and then signing up to ridiculously priced contracts when it won't actually benefit them at all.
Yes there are some benefits. But unless you use data like above then you're not going to notice a difference. For example on LTE when tethering you can have multiple users and not notice slowdowns, you can stream/download large files on only 1 bar etc... Except on EE you do that and you run out of data. Then have to pay extortionate amount to get more.
Like i've said , LTE is great, just not with the current data caps, pricing and limited coverage. Maybe in 1 year from now i'll consider it.
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