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Old 23-11-2012, 00:02
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What will earn them the most revenue? - surely that's the calculation they have to make. There's no point in securing this slot if they are going to put something on which will only attract a few extra viewers. The fact that they are 'parking' Dave Ja Vu in the slot whilst they mull things over might indicate that there could be a bold move under consideration. Could they earn more from GOLD as a free channel, available to the majority of households (i.e. excluding Freeview lite) than they presently get via subs from Sky? Or could they go down the same route with GOLD as the others, being free on DTT but still subscription on satellite? Does anyone know how the numbers work out?
Nope, but as you say it needs careful consideration. If they put an under-performing channel on Freeview to boost it, will the increase in viewers be more than the increase they would see if they put an already-popular channel on? Are any of their channels not turning a profit on pay TV, which could be tipped into the black by putting it on Freeview?

They've always put their "bad" channels on in the past - a couple of new ones, Dave (rebrand of UKTVG2) and Really. However, it looks like TUTV's TV Favourites is diminishing even more, which could mean GOLD no longer being available terrestrially, so maybe UKTV are debating whether it is viable to take that FTA on Freeview?

Just as long as it doesn't end up being "Sterling" (which is what I'd guess UKTV would name their shopping channel)
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Old 23-11-2012, 07:22
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The big problem is that Dave Ja Vu currently timeshares with Really.

Really run 8 am to 2 am then Dave Ja Vu 2 am to 4 am. So if they extend Dave Ja Vu then Really will either be running just mornings or evening on freeview unless UKTV has got more capacity from somewhere.

Then there is the added problem that they may do this by lowering bite rates further so the freezes etc. on Yesterday will get worse. I find programmes jump and glitch if recorded for later, not always but its a real pain!

Finally which channel to put on as replacement to Dave Ja Vu, Blighty havign such low viewing numbers would be a reasonable choice. I know it's a channel about the UK but is it just back back shows like Spring Watch and Coast or what.

GOLD would be the preferred choice running either mornings or evening, if full time not available. I just hope they don't cut the broadcast hours of their other three services as you always miss a good show with that (As when Yesterday (UKTV History as was) was cut back to 12 hours a day when Dave started up, there always seemed to a good drama or documentary on just after it finished broadcasting on freeview that wasn't repeated.

Re Freesat- as I understand it their licence to broadcast allows them to be on pay TV and freeview but not freesat, don't know why but there you go.
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Old 23-11-2012, 08:06
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We don't know for sure, obviously, but I think it has to be assumed that the report is referring to new capacity, though what mux it is going to be on and where it has come from is a whole separate issue and one which could be discussed here on DS at great lenght! The exisiting stream of which Dave Ja Vu is a part might well be nothing to do with this - in which case that overnight slot will become redundant, at least while DJV is filling this new slot. That's the basis for yet another discussion!
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Old 23-11-2012, 08:59
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If YouView becomes really popular it might not matter that much anyway. The TalkTalk version already has an entertainment boost that includes the Sky Channels, Living, Gold, Blighty, Eden, Discovery, TCM etc. for 10 a month and no long term contract, all delivered over the Internet with usually excellent picture and sound quality. I say 'usually' because I have noticed the occasional freeze or instance of blockiness, which I am inclined to put down to teething troubles at the moment. With hundreds more Internet-delivered channels due to be launched over the next year or so, it seems to me that this is the way things are likely to go. Now I just need them to install fibre optic cables in my neighbourhood.
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Old 23-11-2012, 09:59
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could the new capacity be the 12am to 6am slot. that is being talked about http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1755319
i no it's only 6 hours but its a start.
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Old 23-11-2012, 10:09
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The big problem is that Dave Ja Vu currently timeshares with Really.

Really run 8 am to 2 am then Dave Ja Vu 2 am to 4 am. So if they extend Dave Ja Vu then Really will either be running just mornings or evening on freeview unless UKTV has got more capacity from somewhere.
UKTV have got more capacity. Their press release says so! http://uktv.co.uk/network/item/aid/654974
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Old 23-11-2012, 10:14
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UKTV have got more capacity. Their press release says so! http://uktv.co.uk/network/item/aid/654974
Interesting that they use the words 'while UKTV firms up permanent plans for the channel 25 slot'. That would imply it isn't going to be GOLD, as they would obviously use 20 for that.

If you take what they say at face value, it looks as if another channel will eventually replace DJV on 25.
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Old 23-11-2012, 10:50
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Hopefully they've bought the HD slot and are putting Dave HD on there...!

Wishful thinking, I know...!
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Old 23-11-2012, 11:41
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Hopefully they've bought the HD slot and are putting Dave HD on there...!

Wishful thinking, I know...!
It wouldn't be on channel 25 if it was an HD channel

Most likely the new stream will be on ARQ-A, only 11 video streams, versus 12 on SDN and ARQ-B. Dave Ja Vu is already on ARQ-A so no retuning necessary.

Edit: The Adult Party stream is also vacant from 7am to midnight on ARQ-A (source bsaoc.com)
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Old 23-11-2012, 12:05
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It wouldn't be on channel 25 if it was an HD channel

Most likely the new stream will be on ARQ-A, only 11 video streams, versus 12 on SDN and ARQ-B. Dave Ja Vu is already on ARQ-A so no retuning necessary.

Edit: The Adult Party stream is also vacant from 7am to midnight on ARQ-A (source bsaoc.com)
Yes, there's definitely at least one free slot on ARQ-A which would be the most likely candidate. SDN has a slot available in Not-Wales, but that would be less desirable for UKTV and all their other Freeview channels are with Arqiva.

This is ignoring the possibilty that another channel could be closing down.
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Old 23-11-2012, 12:08
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It has been reported over on the BT Vision forums that Alibi, Gold and Watch have been confirmed that they will stream live on BT Vision over IPTV in 2012/13.

That effectively rules them out, so leaves Blighty, Eden, Good Food and Home as options. As has been said I doubt they would want to add Good Food as there is already Food Network.

Home already has a LCN so surely they would just use that. Leaving Blighty or Eden. In my view, Eden would be the best addition and directly compete with Quest.
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Old 23-11-2012, 14:58
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A controversial suggestion but I wonder if UKTV are thinking about creating a new brand?

I can't help thinking the likes of UK Play was ahead of its time, trouble was most of it's viewers were on ONdigital, which led to the demise of the channel when it closed. But with DTT in a much stronger position ten years later, maybe now could be the time for something similar to return?

There are a few other genres such as kids/movies/sports/news that UKTV don't have much to do with. Of those, probably a kids channel is the most likely, but who knows?!
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Old 23-11-2012, 15:09
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Of those, probably a kids channel is the most likely, but who knows?!
But the UKTV press release mentions using LCN 25, which would not be allowed for a children's channel.
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Old 23-11-2012, 15:33
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But the UKTV press release mentions using LCN 25, which would not be allowed for a children's channel.
Yes that's true. I was just putting some thoughts out there.

I think what other posters have said about it being Blighty, Eden, Home or Good Food is probably most likely.

But as UKTV are going to have a think about what they do, then I am simply pointing out that something else might appear.
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Old 23-11-2012, 17:12
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Yes that's true. I was just putting some thoughts out there.

I think what other posters have said about it being Blighty, Eden, Home or Good Food is probably most likely.

But as UKTV are going to have a think about what they do, then I am simply pointing out that something else might appear.
While I understand that the current uktv channels are tied up with sky and unable to launch on freesat due to contracts etc, it would be a shame for uktv not to consider launching a new channel for this venture and at the Same time putting it on freesat. Eg UKTV one/ prime and have it as a best of the bunch style channel. This allows them to use stuff from both blighty, Eden and even good food as well as some things from gold, watch and alibi, nothing wrong with going as far to include the odd thing from date, really and yesterday.

This then becomes an all round general entertainment channel, focusing on the best, (to you and me advertising the rest of the network channels lol) uktv has to offer. This would also be a great step in testing the water with freesat, which a channel like this would do well on especially as it would be the only uktv channel on the platform.

Now before you say anything I know watch and alibi have a lot of American imports and the like, but there are some show they could use and also allows for " sponsored by alibi, available on sky channel blah".

Would be good but we all know it ain't gonn happen lol...
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Old 23-11-2012, 17:31
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Now before you say anything I know watch and alibi have a lot of American imports and the like, but there are some show they could use and also allows for " sponsored by alibi, available on sky channel blah".

Would be good but we all know it ain't gonn happen lol...
That sounds remarkably like the UK TV Preview Channel - good concept completely ruined by the huge red border they had on screen!

Of course the thinking about it could equally mean "we have decided to put Eden (for arguments sake) on there, but we have another 18 months on contract with Sky for that to be encrypted so we'll shove Dave Ja View on there in the interim - we may as well leave the window open to do something different should another broadcaster secure a slot and broadcast a competing channel".

It certainly wouldn't be the first time a slot has been secured and a hold channel broadcast while final plans are figured out / contracts agreed - Men and Motors / ITV2+1 (first time around) spring to mind!
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Old 23-11-2012, 17:49
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While I understand that the current uktv channels are tied up with sky and unable to launch on freesat due to contracts etc, it would be a shame for uktv not to consider launching a new channel for this venture and at the Same time putting it on freesat...
UKTV would maybe like people to think it is the Sky contract preventing launching channels on Freesat but in truth they have decided what their own business model is. I think UKTV like a lot of other broadcasters weigh up the Freesat EPG costs V additional viewers it will bring in and the numbers don't stack up yet. But I think eventually the UKTV FTA channels on Freeview will eventually come to Freesat sooner or later but they will keep a 'premier' set of channels for subscription only.
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Old 23-11-2012, 22:27
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GOLD on Freeview maybe?
I'd say that with DSO complete they really should consider putting their flagship channel on the platform
Is Dave not their flagship channel? I don't know but I imagine that'd get more viewers than GOLD, especially as it's on Freeview.
The original flagship was UK Gold. Nowadays, I'd say that it's Watch. Definitely not Dave, which if you remember, was at one point named UK Gold 2.
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Old 24-11-2012, 02:03
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Do you think there ever could be a chance Food Network would get combined with Good Food? Scripps owning Food Network and 50% of UKTV.
Viewing figures for October
Alibi 0.3% (+1 0.1%)
Blighty 0.0% (Aka lower than 0.1%)
Dave 1.1% (javu 0.1%)
Eden 0.1% (+1 0.0%)
Gold 0.4% (+1 0.1%)
Good Food 0.1% (+1 0.0%)
Home 0.1 (+1 0.0%)
Really 0.3%
Watch 0.5% (+1 0.1%)
Yesterday 0.8% (+1 0.0%)

Compared to Really
July 2011 (0.0%)
August (0.2%)
September (0.3%)

So going on just viewing figures I would still say Blighty, obviously there are other factors but surely they can't be making any money off Blighty, okay I guess it costs next to nothing to run.

Thought on Virgin Media home is on the M TV package.

So my odds are Blighty 70%, Home 30%
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Old 24-11-2012, 05:26
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UKTV have got more capacity. Their press release says so! http://uktv.co.uk/network/item/aid/654974
Would have preferred to see uktv using the slot to cherry pick shows from all of it's channels. Similar to what Discovery does with Quest.
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Old 24-11-2012, 07:03
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Would have preferred to see uktv using the slot to cherry pick shows from all of it's channels. Similar to what Discovery does with Quest.
Combine the best sitcoms and drama from Gold and Watch ? That to me sounds just how UK Gold originally started. I would love to see a channel like that again. Classic Doctor Who on a Sunday morning, and The Bill during the week. I guess mixing in the best of Blighty and Eden would certainly make it a fantastic channel.

But in the end, we know that it will probably be a lifestyle channel showing repeats of all the BBC daytime shows mixed with some documentaries. Homes Under the Hammer box sets on a Sunday (but I do like the show )
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Old 24-11-2012, 11:15
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I can see them giving Blighty a Really/Dave style makeover and bringing it over to Freeview given that it doesn't do particularly well right now on Sky (much like Really prior to relaunch). It doesn't seem to have much of an identity in terms of programming right now so it would be interesting to see how it would evolve.

Eden would probably be a bit more of unique offering for Freeview, and judging by those shares posted above it barely does much better than Blighty.

Either way more variety for Freeview which is always good.
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Old 24-11-2012, 13:27
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But the UKTV press release mentions using LCN 25, which would not be allowed for a children's channel.
I think that's dodgy wording in the press release. What I think they mean, is that they will show Dave ja vu on Ch 25, and then (the stream attached to) Ch 25 will be used for a different channel later.

Under DMOL rules they shouldn't be able to directly change the use of Ch 25 from Dave ja vu to {whatever}, although of course those rules always seem a bit fuzzy when it comes to UKTV launching new channels!
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Old 24-11-2012, 15:07
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I think that's dodgy wording in the press release. What I think they mean, is that they will show Dave ja vu on Ch 25, and then (the stream attached to) Ch 25 will be used for a different channel later.

Under DMOL rules they shouldn't be able to directly change the use of Ch 25 from Dave ja vu to {whatever}, although of course those rules always seem a bit fuzzy when it comes to UKTV launching new channels!
What they would do is launch the new channel on (for example) channel 63 - then swap 25 and 63 so the new channel gets slot 25 and djv gets shunted to 63. They are cheeky/clever like that...
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Old 24-11-2012, 17:38
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This is presumably why they've kept Dave Ja Vu going for a fairly pointless two hour outing in the middle of the night - so they didn't lose a reasonably decent channel number. If its work is now done in that respect it might disappear completely from Freeview when the new channel launches.
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