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Old 21-12-2012, 13:06
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If Parliament makes it law there will be nothing illegal about it.
It "may" break EU privacy directives as the data is stored on Monster's US based servers, who are then free to do whatever the hell they like with that data as it isn't subject to UK/EU privacy laws/directives such as the Data Protection Act. Basically it would be illegal for Monster to sell/pass on that data to any UK or EU country, but they are perfectly free to pass it on to anyone outside the EU.
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Old 22-12-2012, 10:51
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A4E want you to take ID?. The last time I was unemployed a few years ago I was sent to A4E and they never asked for any ID. They were actually OK to be fair though, everyone was pleasant and I felt they actually genuinely wanted to help. Thankfully none of them came across as anything like that horrible, patronising Fairy JobMother woman from the TV series that was on at the time. They also had guys who had links with major job agencies who would do your job searches for you and supply you with suitable vacancies. As time went on, and they got to know you better, they became better at only handing you vacancies that suited your qualifications and experience. They never forced anyone to attend their Interview Technique, letter or CV writing courses. They would tell you about them and leave it up to you if you felt you needed the extra help.

However, this time round I was sent again to A4E, this time it had all changed. They had lost the main contract to Best for this area and only had 4 staff, who were a lot more like the patronising horrible woman from the TV series.

I was then sent on the 13 week New Deal course at Best. My God that was horrible. The building was dilapidated and falling apart, the toilets were disgusting with stained walls, the lifts were always out of action, the place was filthy, it was full of druggies and chavs and they had one or two working computers between around 50 of us spread across two rooms.

I am now on the Work Programme at Best. They have moved building thankfully and it's only one visit every two weeks at which you have to provide acceptable proof of job search etc. It's a bit of a waste of time to be honest, but so far I haven't come up against the idiots and bureaucracy many here seem to have had with them. No doubt as time goes on if I still haven't found a job I'll come up against some of the issues others have reported, but at present it's fine.
Yeah that's what this man said. He said take a birth certificate and something that states your address. To me that doesn't seem a good way of checking someone's ID as there is no photo proof but oh well.

I'm just hoping the people at a4e are more helpful than most of the useless people at the JC. I'm fed up of being patronised, humiliated, treated like a 4th class citizen, demoralised. I'm sick of jumping through hoops as it is never enough. I thought the whole point was that they were supposed to help.. all they've done is helped my self confidence hit the floor again.
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Old 22-12-2012, 11:10
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I dont like the sound of rhis,this is just an excuse for them to sanction peopple
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Old 22-12-2012, 13:21
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I was unemployed for one and half years up to June 2011,and then again for a couple of weeks in November 2012,and the change has been massive. I usually searched direct.gov but was definitely given the impression I had to do the Universal JobMatch (be fair it was only a matter fo time that the government used tech to follow your job searches online). Sanctions were mentioned upfront,rather than soemthing you could only get after a year and half period (I went on a A4E type New Deal thing who,yep,straightaway santioned me),my JSA payment was much slower,and my housing benefit seems to be not from when I finished work but from when my last payslip paid me up to. That is you finish on the 9th say,but then you get that weeks pay,maybe a week in hand and holiday pay. The Housing Benefit goes from certainly your last week of actual pay,rather than from when you stop getting a wage. I`m back in work,but the system has helped to put me in arrears with my rent. Sure I received money after the end of work,but I needed that to live on until the next wage/JSA.,thinking my rent would be covered from my physical end of work.
They`ve put four new computers in my local jobcentre,but virtually all the jobpoints were inoperative (for tech reasons) on all (five+) of my visists.
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Old 25-12-2012, 10:08
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its a Christmas miracle, I found a worth while job on the UJM website

"hits apply"

You have not entered a valid job ID. Please enter the link provided to you. If you have recieved this link in an e-mail, please ensure you have copied the link completely.
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:15
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That's a step up from me, most of the ones I want to apply for have no "apply" button. Am I missing something?
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:16
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That's a step up from me, most of the ones I want to apply for have no "apply" button. Am I missing something?
are you logged in?
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:22
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are you logged in?
Yep. I get the little drop-down menu for why I don't want to apply, but there's usually no orange 'apply' button. I thought maybe that meant the vacancy had already gone, but I doesn't appear on newly-posted jobs either. It doesn't happen on every one, but on more than not.
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:24
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Yep. I get the little drop-down menu for why I don't want to apply, but there's usually no orange 'apply' button. I thought maybe that meant the vacancy had already gone, but I doesn't appear on newly-posted jobs either. It doesn't happen on every one, but on more than not.
its a rubbish website and no mistake.

at some stage tomorrow, I will search for the job elsewhere online, I think ive got enough detail to find it elsewhere.
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:44
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its a rubbish website and no mistake.

at some stage tomorrow, I will search for the job elsewhere online, I think ive got enough detail to find it elsewhere.
That's how I do it. I won't go through that God awful sanctions site.
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:47
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That's how I do it. I won't go through that God awful sanctions site.
the problem is that, that is not always a viable option, and the website is designed in a way that suggest the DWP wants it to be the only way people apply for the listed job.
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:57
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the problem is that, that is not always a viable option, and the website is designed in a way that suggest the DWP wants it to be the only way people apply for the listed job.
Yeah but they're so stupid that they more often than not, leave the name of the company somewhere in the advert.
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Old 25-12-2012, 11:59
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Yeah but they're so stupid that they more often than not, leave the name of the company somewhere in the advert.
well the website makes it more than clear the text comes from the employer, with little editing or even reading from the DWP.
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Old 25-12-2012, 12:10
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That's how I do it. I won't go through that God awful sanctions site.
You wont have a choice from early in the New Year if IDS gets his way. He's already stated in a radio interview it is to become compulsory.
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Old 25-12-2012, 12:39
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You wont have a choice from early in the New Year if IDS gets his way. He's already stated in a radio interview it is to become compulsory.
put the job reference in google, and found it elsewhere, along with ALOT more information.

Anyone applying via the UJM website would be disadvantaged, by how little information there was on the website, which you could use to tailor your application to the job.

Utter waste of time.
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Old 25-12-2012, 13:14
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That's a step up from me, most of the ones I want to apply for have no "apply" button.
I've seen that a few times too and then my activity history mentions a 'skills gap'. I therefore think that this happens because the skills you've entered onto the site or have on your CV don't match those required for the vacancy, or so the system foolishly decides.
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Old 26-12-2012, 12:51
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I've seen that a few times too and then my activity history mentions a 'skills gap'. I therefore think that this happens because the skills you've entered onto the site or have on your CV don't match those required for the vacancy, or so the system foolishly decides.
Thanks, I don't think I would've reached that conclusion on my own. I haven't seen anything about a skills gap but you're probably right.
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Old 31-12-2012, 06:24
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Im new to the whole job center thing and have started it yet and nothing about how it all works, but got signed up for universal job match is there any way i could get out of it.
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Old 31-12-2012, 11:10
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You wont have a choice from early in the New Year if IDS gets his way. He's already stated in a radio interview it is to become compulsory.
Let me make this clear to everyone.

From early 2013 registering on the UJM site will be mandatory.

But and i am 100% sure. is that you do not have to tick the little box giving your rights away.

This is the truth so dont tick it and you wont get sanctioned for doing anything the dwp feel you have done wrong on the site.

This letter from the DWP answers all questions.
http://consent.me.uk/universaljobmatch/mandatory/
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Old 08-01-2013, 17:04
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Just been to my fortnightly signing at the JC and not a mention of signing up to UJM.

The whole organisation of introducing this pernicious system has been akin to a headless chicken and SO typical of a Tory Government who are putting Conservative ideology before humanism.......nothing new there then.
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Old 08-01-2013, 20:55
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I had it mentioned, I set up an account yesterday to apply for a job, only because there was no other way of applying.
But it was with an email address created specifically for this purpose and I have not given permission for DWP to access to my account either.
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Old 10-01-2013, 15:26
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My advisor has asked me to sign up to this, do I have to? Also I have just seen a video about Universal Jobmatch on YouTube and how literally anyone can register as an employer whoever they are and whatever their intentions. Any fraudster from anywhere in the world etc.

What should I do? I do not really fancy creating a profile on the site and then having my personal data stolen by fraudsters.

Video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXxwu9mG0Mk
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Old 10-01-2013, 16:24
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Unfortunately you will soon have little choice, as use of the website is to become mandatory.

However, DO NOT tick the box giving permission for your Job Centre adviser to monitor you via the website. Not so much to hide your job search but more because we don't yet have a clear indication of exactly what is monitored as several people have reported Webwise is showing third party cookies are used by UJM, that can track you as you visit other websites. One has submitted a Freedom of Information request to find out from the DWP why third party cookies are used and exactly what else they are tracking.

Other advice I would give people signing up is to remove your address and contact details from your CV, that way your contact details are only given to employers that you decide to contact using the site's Apply Now features (just make sure you include the details when applying). If your details are on your CV they are available to any unscrupulous employer to browse at their leisure.
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Old 10-01-2013, 16:59
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Unfortunately you will soon have little choice, as use of the website is to become mandatory.

However, DO NOT tick the box giving permission for your Job Centre adviser to monitor you via the website. Not so much to hide your job search but more because we don't yet have a clear indication of exactly what is monitored as several people have reported Webwise is showing third party cookies are used by UJM, that can track you as you visit other websites. One has submitted a Freedom of Information request to find out from the DWP why third party cookies are used and exactly what else they are tracking.

Other advice I would give people signing up is to remove your address and contact details from your CV, that way your contact details are only given to employers that you decide to contact using the site's Apply Now features (just make sure you include the details when applying). If your details are on your CV they are available to any unscrupulous employer to browse at their leisure.
I only have my email address on my CVs at the minute - purely for the reason that a lot of jobs I applied for before Christmas were 'apply with CV into store' for seasonal jobs and I didn't want randomers being able to get my address etc.

Quick question - I'm not yet signed up to UJM (it's been recommended I do) and I have no plans to at the minute. I still use it to see what jobs are out there but half of them have no 'apply' button. Do all jobs have an apply button when you have an account and signed in? Or are the stupid government seriously expecting us to use a site when you can't even apply for a job as there is no apply button??
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Old 10-01-2013, 18:24
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Unfortunately you will soon have little choice, as use of the website is to become mandatory.

However, DO NOT tick the box giving permission for your Job Centre adviser to monitor you via the website. Not so much to hide your job search but more because we don't yet have a clear indication of exactly what is monitored as several people have reported Webwise is showing third party cookies are used by UJM, that can track you as you visit other websites. One has submitted a Freedom of Information request to find out from the DWP why third party cookies are used and exactly what else they are tracking.

Other advice I would give people signing up is to remove your address and contact details from your CV, that way your contact details are only given to employers that you decide to contact using the site's Apply Now features (just make sure you include the details when applying). If your details are on your CV they are available to any unscrupulous employer to browse at their leisure.
As I understand it, as of right now I am not required to use UJ, is that correct?
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