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Old 23-11-2012, 14:35
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I was commenting on the thread about how the Doctor could survuve his 12 regenerations limit etc, and I came up with this idea:

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Posts: 924 I wouldnt make a big deal out of it as it might alienate newer audiences and there have been other stuff to contradict this in the show, I'd just have him say in passing, after thre regeneration, how me would have only had the 13 lives before the time war, but the Time Lords allowed themselves an unlimited lifespan during the war as, well, they would wouldnt they, if the war was as bad as is made out. Also, if River originally had 13 lives like a Time Lord, but used the rest of her regenerations to bring back the Doctor in Let's Kill Hitler, then surely the Doctor has the rest of her regenerations.

Hang on.



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If the Doctor will be left with River's regenerations after his 13th life, then maybe thats when/how we might have a female Doctor!

















And I was just wondering, while I'm a bloke (not really relevant, just want to clarify this as, for some reason, several on here have assumed I'm a girl before and I'm aware they might here as it does sound a bit Ooh, girl power, femenism, yeah!) would a female Doctor be that bad? Really? If the Doctor can be "anything," why not a woman? I know, I know, he's a bloke, why would he want to become a woman, is he a transexual or something?? But, I think that (assuming Dr Who survives that long) I think this IS going to happen, even if it doesent happen for 90 years. And, well, it'd be better for it to be done right, and I think this whole "the Doctor inheriting River's regenerations" would be a good way to get it right. See, it could be really good if done right. This idea has been buzzing around since the 80's and I dont think it'd neccesarrily be a bad thing. Remember, people would have been outraged at a black companion, or the Doctor getting lovey dovey with his companion back in the 60's. And imagine what they'd have made of Captian Jack! But in the end, all these worked, cos they were written well and acted well. If whoever's writing for Who then is good, and if the actress is good, then why shouldnt it work?

It could be brilliant, I can just imagine the regeneration scene now, imagine, the 13th Doctor regnerates, and the new Doctors a woman! But of course, she wouldnt realise at first. Then, slowly, she'd begin to realise her new body is VERY different, she suddenly looks VERY shocked etc, then she just exclaims "BUGGER!" The end of the episode. A new series. Original 1st words for the Doctor. It could be really good+funny. She could spend the 1st half of her 1st series struggling to cope with her new identity, maybe dressing like a victorian gent (a lesbian Doctor Who (starts having disgusting daydreams)), nah, just joking, but I think it could be cool, if done right. It would be the first real attempt, perhaps since Colin Bakers psychotoic period after his regeneration, to make a Doctor whose really different after regnerating, maybe it could lead to lots of interesting philosophical questions etc about the cost of regeneration, is any Doctor really the same person? Yes, so Colin Baker's Doctor might not be the best example to use when trying to sell the idea of a female Doctor as, well, he wasnt the most popular Doctor during his time on the show, but he's been a lot more loved since, and I still think it was mainly the plots and dialogue and characterisation etc during his time in the show, as well as the fact that, in the 80's Dr Who was starting to seem dated, that made him unpopular, not the 6th Doctor himself.

And of course, his horrible costume didnt help either.

Before you all get in a hissy fit, and try and form a lynch mob to find and kill me before I can spread my heresy and further, just consider it. There's so much which I've wouldnt work in the glorious world of tv+film, which did e.g. before I saw Steven Moffatt's Sherlock, I always though the idea of a modern day Holmes would be rubbish. But then I actually saw it, and it was anything but rubbish.

And, forgetting for a moment, whether or not you'd think a female Doctor would be good idea or not, who do you think would be a good actress to play her? I think it's about time for an older, and, possibly, chubbier Doctor (if we were to stay with the menfolk, Stephen Fry would, I think be a brilliant Doctor. Or maybe Hugh Laurie?), maybe Dawn French. Or there's others who could be quite good. Hayley Atwell? Natalie Portman?

What do you think? Would it be a good idea in the first place? If so, who would you like to play the 14th Doctor?

And please, everyone, do try and control your tempers.
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Old 23-11-2012, 14:43
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People have been speculating for a while now. Even 11 thought he had been turned into a girl when he regenerated because of his longer hair. When he found the adams apple he knew he was still definetly a man again. If done right it could work. Time lord to time lady. We do have two time ladies allready. Jenny his daughter and River Song born with timelord dna.
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Old 23-11-2012, 14:48
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I don't think it's actually needed. People seem to want it because they often feel the show lacks strong female characters but the majority of the companions and various guest stars prove that wrong to be honest.

Plus, the character is male. I don't think we need a female version of the Doctor at all.
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Old 23-11-2012, 15:01
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It will never happen because the show would lose a lot of fans. Myself included.

I'm not sexist, women can be just as good role models / heroes / Time Lords as men, but the Doctor is a male. He has been male for 11 regenerations and there is nothing in the shows history to ever make a regeneration change the Time Lords sex so it shouldn't happen.

River/Romana fulfilled the Doctor's role to an extent, and I'd rather see them, or a new Time Lady in action, rather than change the Doctor's sex just to promote equality.
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Old 23-11-2012, 15:34
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and there is nothing in the shows history to ever make a regeneration change the Time Lords sex so it shouldn't happen.
Apart from the bit where we are told of a Time Lord (The Cosair) that had both male and female incarnations.

I would prefer it if the Doctor does remain male but it has been established in the show that it is possible for a Time Lord to change gender.

However just as every Human has the option to have a sex change operation if they want to it does not mean that every Human will have a sex change during their life time.



As to River, she used all her Regeneration energy just to heal the Doctor, she did not actually give him more regenerations.
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Old 23-11-2012, 16:56
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I think something Steven Moffat once said sums up my feelings on this subject.

'You still have to believe it's the same old man that was seen back 1963 leaving a junkyard for the universe'

Paraphrasing but covers it nicely. Some may accept it but most people wouldn't buy that it's the same character no matter what is said it the odd episode of 800+.
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Old 23-11-2012, 19:04
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I'm a female now, females are cool.
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Old 23-11-2012, 19:26
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Yes..
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Old 23-11-2012, 19:38
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It won't happen, I believe that.

If people are that desperate for a female Doctor, maybe just bring back Romana.
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Old 23-11-2012, 19:52
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The funny thing, I'm OK with him turning into anything BUT a Female Doctor.
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Old 23-11-2012, 20:39
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I think it would be quite good TBH part of me wants it to happen
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Old 23-11-2012, 22:07
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Time Lords can change gender, according to established mythology in the series.

I think it would be interesting. Having a penis and a Adam's apple are not the Doctor's most defining characteristics; as long as they cast an actress of the right calibre, having a non male Doctor might be a good way to shed new light on the character's established traits.

Heck, if doing it for a full season is too much of a risk then perhaps just do it for an episode. I find it fairly ridiculous that people accepted the idea of the Doctor's trusted vessel taking on a female form, yet think having him/her regenerate into anything other than a (white) male would crash the show.

If the acting and writing are good enough, the concept will fly gloriously.

(Here's to Neil Gaiman writing a series eight episode titled the TARDIS's Wife )
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Old 23-11-2012, 23:03
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Yes it would be that bad!
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Old 23-11-2012, 23:17
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I'd like to see it as some sort of mistake thing... just to see the Doctor female... but not permanently... just because they could be either gender doesn't mean they'd want it... TimeLords that is...
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Old 23-11-2012, 23:18
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I'd like to see it as some sort of mistake thing... just to see the Doctor female... but not permanently... just because they could be either gender doesn't mean they'd want it... TimeLords that is...
They may not get a choice though
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Old 24-11-2012, 03:58
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I guess it could happen but like so many things it depends more on casting and writing than the actual idea. It's possible but not nesecarly needed.
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Old 24-11-2012, 05:19
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No, no, no, no and no.

Doctor Who, under Moffat has already become a show where it is all about the female companion and not The Doctor at all. Doctor Who under Moffat:

"I am Amy Pond. Ignore the title of the show, it is all about me since I am giving the narrative introduction. I will save the world this week while The Doctor watches."

or, alternatively:

"I am The Doctor."

"Hi, I am random 1940's female. I will see a giant Mech for the first time. I will intuitively know how to drive the giant Mech in order to save my children. I will see an alien race for the first time. I will intuitively know how to absorb the entire alien race in order to save them. I will see an alien space ship for the first time. I will intuitively know how to fly the alien space ship in order to save the alien race. I will see a time/space vortex for the first time. I will intuitively know how to navigate through the time/space vortex in order to save the alien race, save my children and fly around and save my husband all at the same time. Oh, are you still here, Doctor? I don't need you; I am a random woman and I can do anything."

That sounds like a parody of Doctor Who from The Onion, but it was an actual episode. Sigh.

Moffat loves the female characters. I have put up with all of the men being scared dolts throughout the new series (with the sole exceptions of The Doctor and Captain Jack), whereas all of the women are absolutely amazing. The only male character we have left with any sense is The Doctor. If he make The Doctor a woman, I will quit watching the show. Doctor Who is a male. If you want a female Doctor Who show, take River Song (a strong female Time-Lord character) and create a spin-off series. However, do not make The Doctor female.
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Old 24-11-2012, 05:32
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I'd like to see it as some sort of mistake thing... just to see the Doctor female... but not permanently... just because they could be either gender doesn't mean they'd want it... TimeLords that is...
Here it is:

Doctor Who and The Curse of Fatal Death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

The Doctor starts off as Rowen Atkinson, but regenerates four times throughout the episode and winds up as a female at the end. Guess who wrote this? Moffat. He has been slowly but surely trying to ease in the idea for over a decade.
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Old 24-11-2012, 06:53
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There have been a few incredibly bad decisions over the 49 years of Doctor Who. The singing in 'The Gunfighters', the awful snake in Kinda/Snakedance, the pandering to the Mary Whitehouse brigade in the 80's, Happiness patrol, Rose etc.... and throughout all this I have stuck loyally to the progamme I love. A female Doctor would be the final straw. I would not watch it. It wouldn't be the same programme, the Doctor wouldn't be the same character. It would be nothing more than a gimmick that would backfire on them.

This is nothing to do with sexism. If the BBC wanted a sci-fi series with a strong female lead character then they can commission a brand new one and if it was any good I would watch it. There is no need to c**k up an existing successful programme to pander to the whims of a very small minority.

The supporters of a female Doctor always come out with really well thought out reasoning such as "oh I think it'd be really cool." No it wouldn't, it wouldn't, It would bring about a very rapid decline and ignominious end that it does not deserve.
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Old 24-11-2012, 07:24
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There have been a few incredibly bad decisions over the 49 years of Doctor Who. The singing in 'The Gunfighters', the awful snake in Kinda/Snakedance, the pandering to the Mary Whitehouse brigade in the 80's, Happiness patrol, Rose etc.... and throughout all this I have stuck loyally to the progamme I love. A female Doctor would be the final straw. I would not watch it. It wouldn't be the same programme, the Doctor wouldn't be the same character. It would be nothing more than a gimmick that would backfire on them.

This is nothing to do with sexism. If the BBC wanted a sci-fi series with a strong female lead character then they can commission a brand new one and if it was any good I would watch it. There is no need to c**k up an existing successful programme to pander to the whims of a very small minority.

The supporters of a female Doctor always come out with really well thought out reasoning such as "oh I think it'd be really cool." No it wouldn't, it wouldn't, It would bring about a very rapid decline and ignominious end that it does not deserve.
Agree 100%.
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Old 24-11-2012, 08:38
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There have been a few incredibly bad decisions over the 49 years of Doctor Who. The singing in 'The Gunfighters', the awful snake in Kinda/Snakedance, the pandering to the Mary Whitehouse brigade in the 80's, Happiness patrol, Rose etc.... and throughout all this I have stuck loyally to the progamme I love. A female Doctor would be the final straw. I would not watch it. It wouldn't be the same programme, the Doctor wouldn't be the same character. It would be nothing more than a gimmick that would backfire on them.

This is nothing to do with sexism. If the BBC wanted a sci-fi series with a strong female lead character then they can commission a brand new one and if it was any good I would watch it. There is no need to c**k up an existing successful programme to pander to the whims of a very small minority.

The supporters of a female Doctor always come out with really well thought out reasoning such as "oh I think it'd be really cool." No it wouldn't, it wouldn't, It would bring about a very rapid decline and ignominious end that it does not deserve.
Amen, amen and amen.
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Old 24-11-2012, 09:40
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I really don't see the problem with it I honestly think it could be great and as mentioned it has been said Time Lords can have have changed gender I know some people would have a problem with it but then again some people would have a problem with a non white Doctor hell some of the newer fans would have a problem with a old/older Doctor (I can see some turning off if a 50-70+ year old got the part)

As long as they cast the right person why would it matter wouldn't it better to see a good female Doctor than a bad male one
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Old 24-11-2012, 09:59
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3rd person to agree with nyder right here.
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Old 24-11-2012, 10:02
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I ...think it could be great
What was I saying earlier about supporters of a female Doctors well thought out reasoning?
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Old 24-11-2012, 10:04
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I really don't see the problem with it I honestly think it could be great and as mentioned it has been said Time Lords can have have changed gender I know some people would have a problem with it but then again some people would have a problem with a non white Doctor hell some of the newer fans would have a problem with a old/older Doctor (I can see some turning off if a 50-70+ year old got the part)

As long as they cast the right person why would it matter wouldn't it better to see a good female Doctor than a bad male one
I don't see the problem with the Doctor being a different Skin Colour. There is a massive difference between someone being a different skin colour and a different Gender.
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