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Old 30-11-2012, 05:05
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As it happens, I've generally liked the 'token odd candidate'. I didnt mean it as a slur.

Theyre seeming to like, since Lucinda anyway, having a candidate that stands apart from the rest in terms of style, just to look better for TV. (a more unique CAST. Soaps etc do it too - now that Apprentice has become more a tradition/household thing than a one-off gameshow)
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Old 30-11-2012, 09:39
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I only realised Patrick was in last nights episode because of the Just William pants/ shorts he was wearing.

Btw anyone know why they wear the same clothes in the boardroom every week? Is it so they can show shots at the start and not give away who's in the firing line this week?
Something to do with the filming of the cab scene

I think Patrick is making no bones about his sexuality so it's not even an issue. I'm sure if he's interviewed he'll happily admit it
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Old 30-11-2012, 12:54
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Didn't he express concerns about the costing to Nav last night? He said in a VT that he wanted to learn from the mistakes from his time as PM.
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Old 30-11-2012, 15:36
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I think Patrick is making no bones about his sexuality so it's not even an issue. I'm sure if he's interviewed he'll happily admit it
It is just the BBC being PC: 50/50 M/F, one black one, one Asian and one gay/very camp. Simples!
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Old 30-11-2012, 18:02
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I think it's odd to describe him as a "token choice" when he's got more of a business background (at least as portrayed on the show) than most of the other candidates. He and Andrew are actually probably the closest to the Lordalan mould. What he's done since he's got on the show is obviously debatable (although he was the only member of his team to identify their pricing problems last week) but his casting doesn't seem odd at all to me.
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Old 30-11-2012, 19:09
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The OP could ask what's the purpose of any of the others too. Patrick seems OK to me and it is not acceptable to slag him off because he might or might not be gay.
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Old 30-11-2012, 19:30
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Something to do with the filming of the cab scene

I think Patrick is making no bones about his sexuality so it's not even an issue. I'm sure if he's interviewed he'll happily admit it
Ah thanks, that makes sense.

I'm not getting involved with the Patrick being gay debate, it's irrelevant to how he does his job each week in the show. May as well say he's the token glasses wearer, it makes just as much difference.
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Old 30-11-2012, 21:00
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Patrick may or may no be gay but he's certainly not getting a good cut of the VT table time as he like Andrew are very much almost brought out to ensure that each candidate gets x minutes of time so more than likely you can say that those that get the least amount of time on screen are probably not causing enough drama to make it worth the effort in the editing suite and may be very good candidates as no one wants to do business with a loud mouth idiot
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Old 01-12-2012, 16:45
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i was thinking the same - he just fades into the background, he doesnt seem very dynamic at all and i've no idea how he made it onto the show.
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Old 01-12-2012, 21:54
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the purpose of him, to bring back 'The Proclaimers'
he may require work on the accent

Just along for the ride?
Is he getting a bad edit?
Will i hear him speak more than a couple sentences next episode?
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:11
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We think Patrick has a good business idea, and that is what is keeping him in
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:57
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We think Patrick has a good business idea, and that is what is keeping him in
I don't think people's business ideas keep them in the show. In the past we've seen good candidates (Helen, James, Jade) survive until the end, only to lose out because of their business plan. If Lord Sugar took business plans into account before the end, the last few people would all have really good plans.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:58
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Patrick may or may no be gay but he's certainly not getting a good cut of the VT table time as he like Andrew are very much almost brought out to ensure that each candidate gets x minutes of time so more than likely you can say that those that get the least amount of time on screen are probably not causing enough drama to make it worth the effort in the editing suite and may be very good candidates as no one wants to do business with a loud mouth idiot
It's possible he's doing good work that we're not shown, but he made several disastrous decisions in the first task and the only thing we've seen from him since is a fairly sensible approach to planning the opera props task. He rarely says anything when he is on screen, he hasn't come up with any key ideas, it's a wonder he keeps getting away with it.
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Old 02-12-2012, 15:48
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It's possible he's doing good work that we're not shown, but he made several disastrous decisions in the first task and the only thing we've seen from him since is a fairly sensible approach to planning the opera props task. He rarely says anything when he is on screen, he hasn't come up with any key ideas, it's a wonder he keeps getting away with it.
And he did a really bad pitch on Task 2. But luckily for him, he hasn't been in the Boardroom since the first week.
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Old 03-12-2012, 00:22
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We think Patrick has a good business idea, and that is what is keeping him in
I like your thinking.

I don't think people's business ideas keep them in the show. In the past we've seen good candidates (Helen, James, Jade) survive until the end, only to lose out because of their business plan. If Lord Sugar took business plans into account before the end, the last few people would all have really good plans.
Whoah! What about that bloke who invented a curved nail file? He was in the boardroom repeatedly yet never got fired. And he appeared to be very quiet - as much as Patrick. He won in my opinion as he had the only decent business plan.

Re "If Lord Sugar took business plans into account before the end, the last few people would all have really good plans". Only one needs to have a good business plan. Yes, all should but this is TV, not a business competition. Watchable characters take precedence over dry good businessmen & women, I suspect.

(Actually, does Junior Apprentice require a business plan? Is that just Apprentice Senior?)

I wonder if Patrick is there because people talk about him and producers knew that they would. The Apprentice is first & foremost about entertainment, not business.

I don't know if Patrick designs the clothes that he wears, but if he does then he has pulled off a superb stunt - free prime time advertising every week. Maybe he'll mention it if he gets to the semi-final. Even if he gets fired, he's had massive exposure on national TV and it may give him a useful boost or secure him a serious edge in future job applications (if he chooses to work for somehow else). He may have his own strategy and be playing it well.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:17
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Whoah! What about that bloke who invented a curved nail file? He was in the boardroom repeatedly yet never got fired. And he appeared to be very quiet - as much as Patrick. He won in my opinion as he had the only decent business plan.

Re "If Lord Sugar took business plans into account before the end, the last few people would all have really good plans". Only one needs to have a good business plan. Yes, all should but this is TV, not a business competition. Watchable characters take precedence over dry good businessmen & women, I suspect.

(Actually, does Junior Apprentice require a business plan? Is that just Apprentice Senior?)
Tom wasn't in the Boardroom that many times - he was on the losing team a lot, but he was only in the Boardroom three times over eleven weeks - albeit on consecutive weeks. He was very unlucky to be on the losing team that many times, because he was a good candidate, and someone that Sugar liked. Out of the final four that year, Susan had the best business plan - Sugar didn't go with her because at the time she was very naive and didn't understand all her costings etc, but they've done more work together since then, and he is now involved in her business. Tom's original business plan wasn't even about the nail file, it was to do with a chair that tackled back pain - they changed it after he won. Even though he was on the losing team so much, a lot of people rated him as a contender from the start.

On Junior Apprentice Series 1, they did not talk about their business plans on the programme (or if they did, it was edited out), but in Series 2 they did, though they didn't go into as much detail as on the adult version. It was where the distinction lay between James and Zara - James had planned to spend the money on furthering his economics studies, and Zara had a clear plan to do with her filmmaking business.
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Old 03-12-2012, 16:00
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What lost Patrick the first task was that he was unable to accept his scuba-dress wasn't the main event and wouldn't sell. It led him to make the disastrous decision to abandon Westfield just as they were entering the busiest period to go to trendy/edgy Brick Lane (which was never that trendy nor edgy) in the hope that there his design would have been appreciated.

Had he cut his losses, gotten over his ego and stayed he might very well have won the task as his decision to be selective in choosing items which clearly had a target market was a sound one as opposed to the girls' decision to pile it all on, wash it badly and hope for the best.

He's not dumb by a longshot but made the mistake many a creative type makes on The Apprentice in taking the creative element at its word when really the tasks aren't about making sustainable businesses but selling the most amount of crap in the shortest time. All the tasks are basically the same, sell crap and each week you have a different flavoured crap, they always fail when they exchange quality for crap as it's much harder to shift quality in volume in a short time period. The exception being Jenna's stew over Adam's testicle meatballs.
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Old 03-12-2012, 17:30
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He's not dumb by a longshot but made the mistake many a creative type makes on The Apprentice in taking the creative element at its word when really the tasks aren't about making sustainable businesses but selling the most amount of crap in the shortest time. All the tasks are basically the same, sell crap and each week you have a different flavoured crap, they always fail when they exchange quality for crap as it's much harder to shift quality in volume in a short time period. The exception being Jenna's stew over Adam's testicle meatballs.
I was so impressed by Jenna that week. I hadn't liked her before then, but from that point on she was one of my favourites. Not many people manage to make enough profit to win the task, while still creating really good merchandise.
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Old 03-12-2012, 23:47
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Tom wasn't in the Boardroom that many times - he was on the losing team a lot, but he was only in the Boardroom three times over eleven weeks - albeit on consecutive weeks. He was very unlucky to be on the losing team that many times, because he was a good candidate, and someone that Sugar liked. Out of the final four that year, Susan had the best business plan - Sugar didn't go with her because at the time she was very naive and didn't understand all her costings etc, but they've done more work together since then, and he is now involved in her business. Tom's original business plan wasn't even about the nail file, it was to do with a chair that tackled back pain - they changed it after he won. Even though he was on the losing team so much, a lot of people rated him as a contender from the start.

On Junior Apprentice Series 1, they did not talk about their business plans on the programme (or if they did, it was edited out), but in Series 2 they did, though they didn't go into as much detail as on the adult version. It was where the distinction lay between James and Zara - James had planned to spend the money on furthering his economics studies, and Zara had a clear plan to do with her filmmaking business.
Thanks for all your posts, George.

You said on another thread on The Apprentice that you were 19. You write in a manner beyond your years. You also know so much about the programme - it is impressive. I think you might do well as a contestant yourself.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:42
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You said on another thread on The Apprentice that you were 19. You write in a manner beyond your years. You also know so much about the programme - it is impressive. I think you might do well as a contestant yourself.
Why, thank you! That means a lot to me, very kind of you.

People have said before that I might be good on the programme. The problem is that I would not win, because I don't really have a business mind and I wouldn't really want the prize. I might do quite well in the tasks, but then I'd be taking the opportunity from someone else who might actually want it, and I don't think that would be fair.
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Old 04-12-2012, 21:06
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Why, thank you! That means a lot to me, very kind of you.

People have said before that I might be good on the programme. The problem is that I would not win, because I don't really have a business mind and I wouldn't really want the prize. I might do quite well in the tasks, but then I'd be taking the opportunity from someone else who might actually want it, and I don't think that would be fair.
You are more than welcome.

At just 19, you have plenty of time to change your mind...
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Old 04-12-2012, 21:30
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You are more than welcome.

At just 19, you have plenty of time to change your mind...
True, but I'm more into theatre, media and the arts... I'd do it if it was just a competition and not something with a serious prize for businesspeople.
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Old 07-12-2012, 17:44
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It is just the BBC being PC: 50/50 M/F, one black one, one Asian and one gay/very camp. Simples!
He fills the LGBT quota.

I think he should have gone in the first week myself. The other chap seemed really down to earth and likeable.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:36
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I think he should have gone in the first week myself. The other chap seemed really down to earth and likeable.
The one who was pretentously waffling on about Aristotle?
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Old 12-12-2012, 17:13
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Patrick should forget about fashion or being the next apprentice and sign up immediately for the RAF. Talk about flying under the radar! He could do a loop-the-loop and still not be detected....
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