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Old 24-11-2012, 04:20
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AWESOME!!!!!

and if the trailer just know shown ..... in FULL OAR!!!!!
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Old 24-11-2012, 05:18
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Thanks for that. Been a long time since I saw it.
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Old 24-11-2012, 22:22
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Seen it many years ago.Pretty scary but from what i remember it got chopped to pieces by the director and was all over the place at the end.Not bad.
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Old 24-11-2012, 23:08
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AWESOME!!!!!

and if the trailer just know shown ..... in FULL OAR!!!!!
But which ending will they show?
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Old 24-11-2012, 23:11
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Thx for the heads up will give it a watch for sure i guess thats one movie to remove from the
they never show this on tv any more list
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Old 25-11-2012, 08:49
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Speaking as an avid Mann fan, I would count this as an interesting failure.


I recall clearly this being made, partly shot in a slate quarry in North Wales. And I was eagerly looking forward to it.


But it barely got released...I saw it for the first time at the National Film Theatre at a screening, and also later at the Scala cinema as part of a Mann season. (There was also a Mann retrospective an the NF in the 90's where it and all of his movies were shown, and he was there...got to meet and have a quick chat).


The problem with the movie is that editorially it's a mess, it was hacked to pieces and ended up being a disjointed mess. I do recall reading that the main special effects guy on the film, Wally Veevers, passed away during filming, and a lot of his ideas and concepts were never fully realised, so the rest of the crew had to pick up the pieces and do the best they could. Therefore the realisation of the creature Molasar and his gradual transformations were jot very well executed.


Its the only Mann movie where it seems his normal eye for detail and perfectionism seemed to go awry...there is one dialogue scene between Jurgen Prochnow and Gabriel Byrne where the sound level is so low you have to strain to hear them.


And then there is the scene where a bunch of soldiers are killed by Molasar completely off screen, and you only see the aftermath.


Mann also seemed to make some unusual choices regarding the score by Tangerine Dream. They did record an original score for the film (which was finally released by TD themselves but is now very hard to come by), but he used very little of it and instead used tracks from some of their albums, which apparently did not please them. Not surprisingly they did not work together again.


But it's saving grace is it's cinematography. Like most Mann movies it looks incredible. The opening shot is masterful, the Keep itself is massive and imposing. The interior shots are dark and spooky looking, adding to the threatening atmosphere.


It's a movie that would really benefit from a blu ray release, but it isn't even available on DVD (not officially anyway). It may at some point get that release, and hopefully it will be anomorphic. In an ideal world it would be great to see Mann revisit it and do an SE with perhaps some missing footage (of which there is obviously a lot missing), interviews, making of stuff etc...but considering the somewhat obscure nature of the film, it's low box office takings and Mann's apparent disinterest in the movie, I doubt that will happen.
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Old 25-11-2012, 10:15
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The horrible synth soundtrack is totally inappropriate and just adds to the movie's problems. A restored version (if it's even possible after all this time) with decent music and a less crappy monster would definitely be worth seeing.
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Old 25-11-2012, 10:37
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The horrible synth soundtrack is totally inappropriate and just adds to the movie's problems. A restored version (if it's even possible after all this time) with decent music and a less crappy monster would definitely be worth seeing.



I think it's only in the middle sequences where Mann uses 'borrowed' TD stuff that the score suffers, the use of those tracks just does not work for me.


But I love the slow-building opening track, and it's very rhythmic and percussion based and not what I would class as a typical synth track. Similarly with the epic, choral piece that accompanies Glaeken's rise from the pit to confront Molasar, not really typically cheesy synth orientated stuff.


There has been many an 80's movie ruined by cheesy synth scores, but TD were not the worst offenders, though their scores did sometimes become repetetive.

However, their best moment for me would be this..without question...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvomyYkIPY
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Old 25-11-2012, 11:53
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Purple Hearts and Ladyhawke have equally horrible music.
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Old 25-11-2012, 12:44
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The music is what makes it so memorable, never heard anything like it at the time.
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Old 25-11-2012, 12:57
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Purple Hearts and Ladyhawke have equally horrible music.


Don't know Purple Hearts, but Ladyhawke does not have a synth score...though admittedley it is a very cheesy quasi rock/orchestral score.



The sort of really bad type of synth scores that grate for me are ike the example below...and suprisingly it's from the legendary Maurice Jarre! It epitomises the sort of bleep bleep plink plink types of synth scores beloved of sci fi films of the 80's...and the reality is they were just cheap ways of saving money, just a single guy with a bunch of keyboards.


Dreamscape -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UO09...feature=relmfu



That said, John Carpenter and his musical partner Alan Howarth managed to come up with some memorable scores just using synths.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS7k3G_6IjE


And talking of synth scores, this is one of my favourite themes...I just like the breathy and expressive tone of the synth on this track...proof that if used correctly synths in soundtracks can produce beautiful, emotional music...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_P2nttdMbU
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Old 25-11-2012, 13:45
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It's not just that they are synth scores but that they are used in period movies where they are jarringly anachronistic, like helicopter shots in westerns or shakycam in medieval movies.
Bad synth scores belong on US daytime soaps. Elsewhere, they make otherwise decent shows and movies sound cheap, e.g "Werewolf", a reasonably good thriller series letdown by cheap/nasty music.
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Old 25-11-2012, 13:49
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Tangerine Dream weren't cheap and nasty though, pioneers in the field.
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Old 25-11-2012, 13:51
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I read the novel and found it a bit dokey. Is the film an improvement on the novel?
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Old 25-11-2012, 13:57
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Tangerine Dream weren't cheap and nasty though, pioneers in the field.


Agreed. I know their material well and have seen them live lot. Admittedley they have done some iffy stuff (a lot of the 90's muzaky stuff for example), and Froese seems to keep rehashing and re recording older material.


But they did make some great soundtracks, Thief being one of my faves, along with Sorcerer (From William Friedkins Wages of Fear remake) Risky Business, and a couple of excellent lesser movies like Flashpoint (thriller involving a couple of cops who stumble on the gun that shot JFK) and Miracle Mile (terrific, quirly end of the world, apocalyptic thriller).
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