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Old 24-11-2012, 14:39
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Does anyone have an recommendations for portable turntables for 12" records.

One that isn't too big and no more than 200.

What are the best makes in that price range, what makes of turntable to stay away from.
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Old 25-11-2012, 14:56
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Being a hipster is not cool or clever. THINK before buying a portable turntable...

What do you need one for?
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Old 25-11-2012, 15:26
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try a sony ps-f9 or a soundwagon
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Old 25-11-2012, 15:38
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Being a hipster is not cool or clever. THINK before buying a portable turntable...

What do you need one for?
I'm not a hipster, thanks for judging there... I just happen to want a portable turntable so I can easily carry from place to place and play records when I want in any room. It's also a nostalgia thing, I love the sound of a record playing out of one of these things and it brings back memories from my childhood that I like.


unique - those are too small for what I want, especially that soundwagon. But thank you for the recommendations.
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Old 25-11-2012, 17:39
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what on earth is a hipster?
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Old 25-11-2012, 17:45
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Here is something I found that's decent to give you an idea:

Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter.

Although "hipsterism" is really a state of mind,it is also often intertwined with distinct fashion sensibilities. Hipsters reject the culturally-ignorant attitudes of mainstream consumers, and are often be seen wearing vintage and thrift store inspired fashions, tight-fitting jeans, old-school sneakers, and sometimes thick rimmed glasses.

The "effortless cool" urban bohemian look of a hipster is exemplified in Urban Outfitters and American Apparel ads which cater towards the hipster demographic. Despite misconceptions based on their aesthetic tastes, hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees, or degrees in maths and sciences, which also require certain creative analytical thinking abilities.

Consequently many hipsters tend to have jobs in the music, art, and fashion industries. It is a myth that most hipsters are unemployed and live off of their parent's trust funds.

Hipsters shun mainstream societal conventions that apply to dating preferences and traditional "rules" of physical attraction. It is part of the hipster central dogma not to be influenced by mainsream advertising and media, which tends to only promote ethnocentric ideals of beauty.

The concepts of androgyny and feminism have influenced hipster culture, where hipster men are often as thin as the women they date. The muscular and athletic all-American male ideal is not seen as attractive by confident and culturally-empowered hipster women who instead view them as symbols of male oppression, sexism, and misogyny.

Likewise, culturally-vapid sorority-type girls with fake blond hair, overly tanned skin, and "Britney Spears tube-tops" are not seen as attractive by cultured hipster males who instead see them as symbols of female insecurity, low self-esteem, and lack of cultural intelligence and independent thinking.

Hipsters are also very racially open-minded, and the greatest number of interracial couples in any urban environment are typically found within the hipster subculture.

Although hipsters are technically conformists within their own subculture, in comparison to the much larger mainstream mass, they are pioneers and leaders of the latest cultural trends and ideals. For example, the surge of jeans made to look old and worn (i.e. "distressed"), that have become prevalent at stores such as The Gap, American Eagle, Abercrombie and Fitch, and Hollister, were originally paraded by hipsters who shopped in thrift stores years before such clothing items were mass produced and sold to the mainstream consumer.

The true irony here is that many of the detractors of hipster culture are in fact unknowingly following a path that hipsters have carved out years before them. This phenomena also applies to music as well, as many bands have become successful and known to mainstream audiences only because hipsters first found and listened to them as early-adopters of new culture. Once certain concepts of fashion and music have reached mainstream audiences, hipsters move on to something new and improved.

Because of the rise of various online photo-blog and social networking sites, insights into urban hipster culture is reaching sheltered suburban audiences at an exponential rate. Cultural "norms" have been deconstructed by hipster culture as a whole.

Hipsterism is often dismissed as just an image thing by some, but the culture as a whole is effecting changes in society, leading to feelings of insecurity and resentment in people who are no longer a part of the cultural ruling class.

For example, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from culturally-clueless suburban frat boy types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can.


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Old 25-11-2012, 19:15
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I'm not a hipster, thanks for judging there... I just happen to want a portable turntable so I can easily carry from place to place and play records when I want in any room. It's also a nostalgia thing, I love the sound of a record playing out of one of these things and it brings back memories from my childhood that I like.


unique - those are too small for what I want, especially that soundwagon. But thank you for the recommendations.
ok me thinks sarcasm was lost on the translation never mind.....
so i shall help you...
NOW
the easiest and best way of doing this ...
3 categories battery, mains or both

however I doubt your going to get good quality sound out of an all in one unit, unless you pay big money.

battery and mains
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steepleton...item5d35e80683

http://www.maplin.co.uk/ion-vertical-vinyl-590702

http://www.maplin.co.uk/ion-duo-deck-652813 and it plays cassettes

http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ef06/

http://www.soundwagon.jp/


Mains powered

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_tr...at=0&_from=R40

just stuck portable record player into ebay for an example.. I picked up off a skip an old 1970's mains powered record player with a speaker built into it.. its great, better then the cheap units you see around these days plus can play 75's

or there is another way....
depends how far you moving things around really

wireless speakers.. record player in one side of the room wireless unit plugged into the head phones socket of the amplifier... and you can carry the speakers around the house with you..

or
Bush MMT1 - it has a pre amp ok they dont make it any more but it was highly rated in what hifi a decade ago but they are about 10 in 2nd hand stores online etc... pair it up with a small boombox that has rca connectors on the back...
however the mtt1 is mains powered



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbTI7...3&feature=plcp
explains the hipster
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Old 25-11-2012, 22:47
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ok me thinks sarcasm was lost on the translation never mind.....
Sarcasm only works on the internet when you're good at it.


Humm, I like the look of some in the ebay link you put up. That's more the size I want compared to the other links and would prefer more vintage looking. I've put that ebay link in my favourites and will have a good look tomorrow. Thanks.
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Old 25-11-2012, 23:06
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Eurgh.

Vinyl can sound subjectively better than CD, but not on an MTT1 for pity's sake!

I bought one of these back in the day, and they are no better than any other cheap Chinese turntable. Second-hand Rega Planar is required as a minimum for decent sound IMHO -- and these ain't portable!

If you want portable+sound quality, buy an MP3 player that isn't an Apple.
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Old 25-11-2012, 23:52
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British Heart Foundaton, Hemel Hempstead has a batery powered stereo radio cassette with damped slide out turntable at the bottom (Panasonic) from the 1980's in superb condition for 10. That is what you need.
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Old 26-11-2012, 12:34
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Eurgh.

Vinyl can sound subjectively better than CD, but not on an MTT1 for pity's sake!

I bought one of these back in the day, and they are no better than any other cheap Chinese turntable. Second-hand Rega Planar is required as a minimum for decent sound IMHO -- and these ain't portable!

If you want portable+sound quality, buy an MP3 player that isn't an Apple.
I've got a Rega Planar 3 and can attest to that!! Love it to bits though!
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Old 26-11-2012, 12:56
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I've got a Rega Planar 3 and can attest to that!! Love it to bits though!
Yup. I owned a NAD 533 for a while which is very similar to the Planar 2 and they're a very very good turntable.

The Pro-ject players offer more of the same.

I now have a Linn (which is the reason I said "minimum"), but any of the above are like night and day compared to some Chinese fantastic plastic.

The 1980s Japanese decks weren't bad either, but it's hard to get spares for them now.
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Old 26-11-2012, 15:19
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If you like the sound of vinyl but want portability the best way to achieve this may be to get a really decent (non portable) deck and good quality recording apparatus. That way the record playing system will add the distortions that are the reason so many like the sound of vinyl but you will also get the advantages of modern kit with it's convenience.

Doing this properly does take money though.

Getting a cheap portable(ish) record deck would be a false economy as it would likely wreck your records.
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Old 26-11-2012, 15:24
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I've got a Sound Burger. It sounds about as good as you'd expect it to, given that its got a budget magnetic cartridge, and it only supports the label area of the record while it's playing, leaving the rest of the record surface just floating (and hence wobbling) in mid-air.

But it won't trash your records as quickly as a Dansette.

Why not put a normal record player in each room? Or (if you life in a detached house), one record player, and turn the volume up!

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Old 26-11-2012, 15:31
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^ Someone recommended that I look into Dansette but don't like the sound of this certain players trashing records more quickly! What is the time frame for playing a record and damage, if say you played it over and over, how long would it take to bugger up the record for example?

And unfortunately, I'm not in a detached house and have horrible neighbours in the other house. So blasting is not an option when they are in.

I travel a lot and would like to take a portable with me you see, not just for the house. Also when I'm staying other places too.


Vinyl can sound subjectively better than CD, but not on an MTT1 for pity's sake!
I've had a Bush player before and definitely not going there again. Didn't think much of it at all.
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Old 26-11-2012, 22:32
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Eurgh.

Vinyl can sound subjectively better than CD, but not on an MTT1 for pity's sake!

I bought one of these back in the day, and they are no better than any other cheap Chinese turntable. Second-hand Rega Planar is required as a minimum for decent sound IMHO -- and these ain't portable!

If you want portable+sound quality, buy an MP3 player that isn't an Apple.
bush mtt1 = cheap back in the days when it was new 39 vs a 2nd hand Rega = A HUGE difference in price..
Also if you have money for Rega I'm guessing you have money invested in what its connected into..compared to bush affordability.
Also the MTT1 was a Which? recommend buy.I have one and actually for a small portable record player with a preamp at 39 was a bargain and did the job when i got one, saw one the other day in British heart foundation for 5..Ok I now have something better,

Have you got any better ideas for a portable record player?
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Old 28-11-2012, 10:09
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A vintage Dansette (or similar) will destroy a new record instantly. The damage won't be audible straight away on the Dansette (it becomes visible first - the grooves turn grey), but just one play with a Dansatte will create damage that's easily audible when the same record is subsequently played using a half-decent magnetic cartridge.

I agree with others who have suggested that this is a really bad idea. An mp3 player with decent headphones or decent portable speakers (if such things exist) is a much better bet.

Cheers,
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Old 28-11-2012, 11:31
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Have you got any better ideas for a portable record player?
No. They're all dire.

And the MTT1 *was* just a standard Chinese-designed player, no different to a hundred other models, equipped with all the cheapest and lowest-quality components money could buy.

I had one. I was one of the lucky ones -- mine actually rotated at the correct speed. A friend's one didn't even manage that.

If you *must* buy a cheap deck, a Japanese midi-sized 1980s model is a much better idea.
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Old 28-11-2012, 15:41
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Someone recommended Crosley to me today, any thoughts?
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:26
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Why not combine old with new? Leave a record player in one room only but have it hooked into a Sonos wireless system. You still get the authentic vinyl sound but can take the speaker into any room!
As far as a turntable goes there was a reasonable Sony still available up until very recently at around 100, think is was the PSJ20. Same size as the Bush MTT1 but better sound & build. Denon also do a full size turntable at around 200, not heard it myself but we have sold a few with out issue. They also rip your records to MP3 via a usb slot too so you can copy rare recordings as a backup or to take with you out & about.
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Old 29-11-2012, 15:08
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http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/l...ndex_36602.htm

cheap and cheerful all in one portable record player and it can encode your vinyl to mp3 all in one unit with an fm radio etc etc at lidl 79.99
It has speaker at the side of the unit

sound quality is not going to be fabulous BUT at least you can encode to mp3 easily (I presume)
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Old 29-11-2012, 22:08
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If you want a good portable record player,the best were Hacker.Expect to pay 150 quid on ebay etc..very powerful sound,loud,little distortion,and a nice Garrard deck.
Dont buy a dansette,they were cheap and cheerful when new with a cheap bsr record deck fitted.
Buy a new diamond stylus for it once you have it,and adjust the tonearm weight to lightish,around 2 grams.It will play nicely,and not wear your records.
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Old 30-11-2012, 08:50
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Buy a new diamond stylus for it once you have it,and adjust the tonearm weight to lightish,around 2 grams.It will play nicely,and not wear your records.
You mean "not wear your records as much as a higher tracking weight would" - ALL record decks wear the records every time you play them.

I can remember doing disco's where the floor was very bouncy - and balancing 2p pieces on top of the pickup arms

I wonder how much a 2p piece weighs?
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Old 30-11-2012, 09:09
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You mean "not wear your records as much as a higher tracking weight would" - ALL record decks wear the records every time you play them.

I can remember doing disco's where the floor was very bouncy - and balancing 2p pieces on top of the pickup arms

I wonder how much a 2p piece weighs?
2 pence



or 7.12 grams of charlie. 8 if you got a bad deal
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Old 30-11-2012, 15:26
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Ah the good old 2p sellotaped on the tonearm.The mark of bsr...lol
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