[MGS4SnakeRulez]

......and four more devices in lawsuit

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/24/a...ii-jelly-bean/

Never ends

[Stiggles]

Apple will destroy themselves with their sheer greed. Its becoming pointless and idiotic now and showing apple for the absolute clowns they are.

[Rich_L]

God this is getting so boring now.

[IvanIV]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Apple will destroy themselves with their sheer greed. Its becoming pointless and idiotic now and showing apple for the absolute clowns they are.

That's what Steve would have wanted. He did say something about going thermonuclear on Android, didn't he.

[Roush]

Did you think Apple wouldn't respond to Samsung adding the iPad 4, iPad mini, iPhone 5 and 5th generation iPod touch to various suits in the last few days?

[Stiggles]

Originally Posted by IvanIV

That's what Steve would have wanted. He did say something about going thermonuclear on Android, didn't he.

Yeah but he was a complete whack job! Clever but no sense at all.

[Stiggles]

Originally Posted by Roush

Did you think Apple wouldn't respond to Samsung adding the iPad 4, iPad mini, iPhone 5 and 5th generation iPod touch to various suits in the last few days?

Respond? This isn't some kind of playground fight! Samsung added the 5 due to the LTE patents that they own. The others, not sure but im willing to bet, it will be over some wireless patents that apple dont own.

What patents do apple hold that Samsung has infringed on?

[psionic]

Originally Posted by Roush

Did you think Apple wouldn't respond to Samsung adding the iPad 4, iPad mini, iPhone 5 and 5th generation iPod touch to various suits in the last few days?

The lawyers are no doubt all rubbing their hands together in anticipation. Nice little earner for them again on both sides.

[IvanIV]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

What patents do apple hold that Samsung has infringed on?

About looking pretty or something of that caliber.

[Thine Wonk]

Over 1BN has been wiped off the value, yet they are continuing down this route of litigation instead of innovation.

When Steve Jobs was alive:
Mac
Ipod
Itunes
Iphone
Ipad
Apple TV

Since Jobs has died:
Only slightly newer upgrades of the same things with the same design.
No new Apple devices or reinventing things and making them better.
Little innovation
Even Woz says the innovation is dead

Just obsessed with lawyers and legal action instead of changing the standard, industry by industry like they did with the music industry, the mobile industry, the tablet computer market, the whole unboxing experience changed, the retail experience changed, these were all under the leadership of Steve Jobs.

These days it's just same old, same old, and the innovation has died with him. Now all that is left is lawyers litigating and trying to protect the good ideas they used to have.

[Stiggles]

Originally Posted by IvanIV

About looking pretty or something of that caliber.

Oh yeah!

[Stuart_h]

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Over 1BN has been wiped off the value, yet they are continuing down this route of litigation instead of innovation.

When Steve Jobs was alive:
Mac
Ipod
Itunes
Iphone
Ipad
Apple TV

Since Jobs has died:
Only slightly newer upgrades of the same things with the same design.
No new Apple devices or reinventing things and making them better.
Little innovation
Even Woz says the innovation is dead

Just obsessed with lawyers and legal action instead of changing the standard, industry by industry like they did with the music industry, the mobile industry, the tablet computer market, the whole unboxing experience changed, the retail experience changed, these were all under the leadership of Steve Jobs.

These days it's just same old, same old, and the innovation has died with him. Now all that is left is lawyers litigating and trying to protect the good ideas they used to have.

.....apparently share price is unimportant

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by psionic

The lawyers are no doubt all rubbing their hands together in anticipation. Nice little earner for them again on both sides.

Its only the lawyers that gain from this anti competitiveness. Certainly not the industry or its customers!

[call100]

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Over 1BN has been wiped off the value, yet they are continuing down this route of litigation instead of innovation.

When Steve Jobs was alive:
Mac
Ipod
Itunes
Iphone
Ipad
Apple TV

Since Jobs has died:
Only slightly newer upgrades of the same things with the same design.
No new Apple devices or reinventing things and making them better.
Little innovation
Even Woz says the innovation is dead

Just obsessed with lawyers and legal action instead of changing the standard, industry by industry like they did with the music industry, the mobile industry, the tablet computer market, the whole unboxing experience changed, the retail experience changed, these were all under the leadership of Steve Jobs.

These days it's just same old, same old, and the innovation has died with him. Now all that is left is lawyers litigating and trying to protect the good ideas they used to have.

I think their innovation died simply because they have run out of ideas. I think this happened before Jobs died. They sold out all their principles just as the ideas dried up.....Bankrupt morally if not financially....

[Thine Wonk]

Originally Posted by call100

I think their innovation died simply because they have run out of ideas. I think this happened before Jobs died. They sold out all their principles just as the ideas dried up.....Bankrupt morally if not financially....

They could have brought out an Apple TV panel with build in Apple TV and completely reinvented online TV service, or launched a completely new innovative product that changes a traditional market completely, however I think it's days of doing that are over.

It'll just be, new iPhone, slightly better spec each time I think now.

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

They could have brought out an Apple TV panel with build in Apple TV and completely reinvented online TV service, or launched a completely new innovative product that changes a traditional market completely, however I think it's days of doing that are over.

It'll just be, new iPhone, slightly better spec each time I think now.

With the size of even the older iMacs (previous gen), i thought they were going to bring out a living room Apple TV panel myself! It seems obvious to me. It would also be a great hub to purchase all your movies etc from.

[mogzyboy]

I'm no Apple 'fanboy', but I have an iPhone and an iPod Touch that I quite like as they offer me what I want, but this really is becoming laughable. I'm beginning to frown upon it.

[Big Poy]

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Over 1BN has been wiped off the value, yet they are continuing down this route of litigation instead of innovation.

When Steve Jobs was alive:
Mac
Ipod
Itunes
Iphone
Ipad
Apple TV

Since Jobs has died:
Only slightly newer upgrades of the same things with the same design.
No new Apple devices or reinventing things and making them better.
Little innovation
Even Woz says the innovation is dead

Just obsessed with lawyers and legal action instead of changing the standard, industry by industry like they did with the music industry, the mobile industry, the tablet computer market, the whole unboxing experience changed, the retail experience changed, these were all under the leadership of Steve Jobs.

These days it's just same old, same old, and the innovation has died with him. Now all that is left is lawyers litigating and trying to protect the good ideas they used to have.

Do you think that Steve Job's death coincided with the lack of innovation or that his death caused it?

Where else could they innovate?

[Thine Wonk]

Originally Posted by Big Poy

Do you think that Steve Job's death coincided with the lack of innovation or that his death caused it?

Where else could they innovate?

I think when Steve Jobs died the company lost a very powerful leader and somebody who was driving the innovation, quality and perfectionism.

Where could they innovate? well they have a history of taking products that are already on the market and completely redesigning and making them better. They also create supply chains and markets that never existed before.

They really made the app store a success and made a chain of developers a living making apps, yes there was the Nokia store before, but it was crap. They created iTunes and a whole music selling online store, yes others were doing it before, but never as well. They completely redesigned a phone and shook up the phone market.

The pay TV market it out there, making a TV panel and associated internet connected services and applications would be an obvious option.

They used to create things that other companies had failed at before i.e tablets, and re-design them and make them better.

Over the last 2-3 years since Jobs was ill / or backed away from heading the company they have lost that kind of innovation and creativity. These days it's just "the new iPad", or "the latest iPhone", the thing we brought you before with a new back cover and a faster processor. The thing we brought you before, but in a different size.

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by Big Poy

Do you think that Steve Job's death coincided with the lack of innovation or that his death caused it?

Where else could they innovate?

You could look at how iOS has stagnated compared to all its competition?

[Big Poy]

It's amazing that such a big company was revolved around one person so much..

[tdenson]

Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Over 1BN has been wiped off the value, yet they are continuing down this route of litigation instead of innovation.

When Steve Jobs was alive:
Mac
Ipod
Itunes
Iphone
Ipad
Apple TV

$1BN is 0.2% of their market cap - I think you meant another number.

Not sure I would include Apple TV as an innovative product, but if you take the 6 products you mention, then since the original Mac that's one new product every 6 years - Jobs has been dead a year, give the new Apple a chance.

[tdenson]

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

.....apparently share price is unimportant

Very important to shareholders but of little relevance to a company's day to day business.

[grumpyoldbat]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Respond? This isn't some kind of playground fight!

I respectfully would disagree!

Bang their heads together I say!

[grumpyoldbat]

Originally Posted by whoever,hey

You could look at how iOS has stagnated compared to all its competition?

iOS came out in 2007 with the first iPhone, Steve Jobs has been dead 1 year. It hadn't changed much before he died, so I don't think Jobs' death is the source of "stagnation".

That said, they're still selling a shed-load of phones every quarter, and some are to existing customers, so they must be doing something that people like.