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Hmm - Tulisa commenting on what RYLAN has had to put up with this series..
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Skip65
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rombod:
“It was funny though! She said his vocals were good. Gary has outright slated Rylan and gone personal yet you excuse him without batting an eyelid. Sorry but it seems like you're twisting the truth to justify your preconceived dislike of Tulisa rather than letting the truth inform your dislike.



I don't like Tulisa... I don't want her back next series... but I just call it as I see it, and as I see it people's intense vitriol towards her is unjustified. Can you give examples and join the debate, or are you more comfortable making weak digs from the sidelines?”

I have gave plenty of examples, and so have many others over the last few weeks. Far as I can see , it is another pointless thread to try and stick it to Christopher again. We will see how good you think tulisa has been , when she isn't on the show next year. The girl is a hypocrite and a bully.if you cannot see it by now , then I'm sorry nothing I or anybody else will say will change your mind.
rombod
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Skip65:
“I have gave plenty of examples, and so have many others over the last few weeks. Far as I can see , it is another pointless thread to try and stick it to Christopher again. We will see how good you think tulisa has been , when she isn't on the show next year. The girl is a hypocrite and a bully.if you cannot see it by now , then I'm sorry nothing I or anybody else will say will change your mind.”

I want Christopher to win and I don't like Tulisa or want her back. Doesn't change the fact that your examples were either lies or exaggerations as I outlined in post 49 on the previous page.
rivercity_rules
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rombod:
“The staging was funny and it wasn't Christopher's decision. She apologised for laughing and praised his voice. Louis was far worse but you overlooked that.

She has never said she didn't like him, only that she isn't a fan of his type of performance, the same as Gary does to Rylan every week. Somehow it's only a crime when she does it.

On Xtra Factor she repeatedly says he does deserve to be there because people are voting for him..

And she has never once said he killed a song, never mind every week.

Were those really supposed to be examples? Cute. You should probably stick to sniping from the sidelines.”

It's only a crime when the grown man in question stands with a face like he's about to cry, and bleats on about his nan and being the peoples champion (then storms off stage and slags her off to the backstage cameras)

He's played a blinder, you have to give him that, the fact people are feeling sorry for him and pity voting, with no intention of buying his material is hilarious. Surely, even the slowest of people could realise the only way to really stick it to Simon and the Judges is to switch off and not pay them money to vote. i can see some of them now "I'll show that Cowell, I'm going to vote Christopher 20 times" Cowell will get rid of Christopher within 3 months, but will keep that income from the 20 votes, and probably even manage to negotiate a better deal for himself over the real money makers like James and Jahmene, and get a bigger cut of the higher earners.

Really sticking it to him.
valezio
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by maureens:
“She is the biggest hypocrite ever to appear on national TV she even called Rylan , Ryland the silly cow.”

Agree.
Darcyprincess
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rombod:
“It was his fault, he picked the songs. Christopher is cheesy. Everyone is unanimous in that, and I say that as someone who wants him to win! So Gary goes personal and you can see why, yet you criticise Tulisa for going personal then can't give any examples of her doing so? And yes I did watch last night, when she said vocally he was good but the staging was creepy and funny. All true. Sorry but... laughable.”

Well as it happens, I am not a fan of Christophers, but I think that his vocals are always good and his song of Fernando was very good last night with very good vocals. As Gary told Louis, it was meant to be a theatrical piece with the bare chested dancers. I felt that Louis was making his digs hoping that it would put Christopher in the bottom two and Tulisa joined in because she was still bitter about Ella going. Louis was obviously trying to protect Union J but it backfired on him and it didn't work and they ended up in the bottom two.

I felt that it came over as school room bullying last night from both Louis and Tulisa and it made very uncomfortable viewing for me and it seems for many others as well. I am only saying what I see and If you don't like it then I am sorry but it really is like watching a different person watching Tulisa this year. I have always thought that Louis can be an idiot but I thought better of Tulisa. She has really disappointed me this year!
rivercity_rules
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Skip65:
“I have gave plenty of examples, and so have many others over the last few weeks. Far as I can see , it is another pointless thread to try and stick it to Christopher again. We will see how good you think tulisa has been , when she isn't on the show next year. The girl is a hypocrite and a bully.if you cannot see it by now , then I'm sorry nothing I or anybody else will say will change your mind.”

Have you even read the OP?

It's about Tulisa apparently being a hypocrite for giving Chris "abuse" yet saying how bad she felt for Rylan's abuse.
bornfree
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“It's only a crime when the grown man in question stands with a face like he's about to cry, and bleats on about his nan and being the peoples champion (then storms off stage and slags her off to the backstage cameras)

He's played a blinder, you have to give him that, the fact people are feeling sorry for him and pity voting, with no intention of buying his material is hilarious. Surely, even the slowest of people could realise the only way to really stick it to Simon and the Judges is to switch off and not pay them money to vote. i can see some of them now "I'll show that Cowell, I'm going to vote Christopher 20 times" Cowell will get rid of Christopher within 3 months, but will keep that income from the 20 votes, and probably even manage to negotiate a better deal for himself over the real money makers like James and Jahmene, and get a bigger cut of the higher earners.

Really sticking it to him.”

I dont like Christopher but I dislike Tulisa even more. I am glad Chris stays no matter what she does or says to him.
valezio
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Menk:
“..as she leads the pack throwing vegetables at Chris.

No self-awareness.”

Yes exactly. What a bloody hypocrite!!!!
Canks
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by wordfromthewise:
“When did Tulisa abuse Christopher re his sexuality like more than a few utter morons did to Rylan?????


Er......I don't think she did or she ever would.Silly post.”

Christopher has got death threats to be fair plus various allegations from newspapers with no evidence. I'd say he's had it worse than Rylan.
valezio
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“But the majority of us have not been personal about Tulisa like she has about Christopher but then bigged up Rylan. Tulisa has also been very rude to Gary and laughed in his face too, especially when it looked like he was going to lose all of his acts in the first few weeks. But Gary had the last laugh on her last week didn't he, sadly at the expense of poor Ella!”

Agree. She has been disgraceful.
rombod
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“Well as it happens, I am not a fan of Christophers, but I think that his vocals are always good and his song of Fernando was very good last night with very good vocals. As Gary told Louis, it was meant to be a theatrical piece with the bare chested dancers. I felt that Louis was making his digs hoping that it would put Christopher in the bottom two and Tulisa joined in because she was still bitter about Ella going. Louis was obviously trying to protect Union J but it backfired on him and it didn't work and they ended up in the bottom two.

I felt that it came over as school room bullying last night from both Louis and Tulisa and it made very uncomfortable viewing for me and it seems for many others as well. I am only saying what I see and If you don't like it then I am sorry but it really is like watching a different person watching Tulisa this year. I have always thought that Louis can be an idiot but I thought better of Tulisa. She has really disappointed me this year!”

Tulisa said the staging was creepy and funny, then apologised to Chris for laughing, said it's not his fault and praised his vocals. You're entitled to your opinion but I just don't think it justifies how harsh you've been about her previously.
Skip65
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rombod:
“The staging was funny and it wasn't Christopher's decision. She apologised for laughing and praised his voice. Louis was far worse but you overlooked that.

She has never said she didn't like him, only that she isn't a fan of his type of performance, the same as Gary does to Rylan every week. Somehow it's only a crime when she does it.

On Xtra Factor she repeatedly says he does deserve to be there because people are voting for him..

And she has never once said he killed a song, never mind every week.

Were those really supposed to be examples? Cute. You should probably stick to sniping from the sidelines.”

look we are wasting are breath with you. If you look on u tube when Gary gives it to her about her breath she said to him why do you keep giving him these cheesy songs that he kills each week. She doesn't apologise for laughing to Chris . She says its Louis making her laugh. If she was so apologetic , why was Chris so upset . As I said before you are obviously just out for a pointless argument. The facts are there in front of you. That's why so many many people have posted how uncomfortable they feel about the way tulisa is picking and bullying Chris. So we are all wrong and you are right. Keep wearing them rose tinted glasses. Bye
rivercity_rules
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Canks:
“Christopher has got death threats to be fair plus various allegations from newspapers with no evidence. I'd say he's had it worse than Rylan.”

But has Tulisa commented on this?

Does the fact this has happened, make Tulisa any more of a hypocrite, as the OP makes out, because she said she felt bad for how much crap Rylan has been through?

It was a comment to Rylan, had she dared to mention Christopher, I think some on here would have had Ofcom, the police and the Samaritans on the line to complain and comment about her "bullying"
rombod
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Skip65:
“look we are wasting are breath with you. If you look on u tube when Gary gives it to her about her breath she said to him why do you keep giving him these cheesy songs that he kills each week. She doesn't apologise for laughing to Chris . She says its Louis making her laugh. If she was so apologetic , why was Chris so upset . As I said before you are obviously just out for a pointless argument. The facts are there in front of you. That's why so many many people have posted how uncomfortable they feel about the way tulisa is picking and bullying Chris. So we are all wrong and you are right. Keep wearing them rose tinted glasses. Bye”

She always praises his vocals, though. She did apologise yesterday. She didn't say he murdered songs every week. Chris was upset because he wanted more praise, its not abuse because she didn't give it to him. Sorry but you're full of lies. I don't like her and think she's a crap judge; why would I wear rose-tinted glasses?
Darcyprincess
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“It's only a crime when the grown man in question stands with a face like he's about to cry, and bleats on about his nan and being the peoples champion (then storms off stage and slags her off to the backstage cameras)

He's played a blinder, you have to give him that, the fact people are feeling sorry for him and pity voting, with no intention of buying his material is hilarious. Surely, even the slowest of people could realise the only way to really stick it to Simon and the Judges is to switch off and not pay them money to vote. i can see some of them now "I'll show that Cowell, I'm going to vote Christopher 20 times" Cowell will get rid of Christopher within 3 months, but will keep that income from the 20 votes, and probably even manage to negotiate a better deal for himself over the real money makers like James and Jahmene, and get a bigger cut of the higher earners.

Really sticking it to him.”

The whole show has become a farce this year, from week one when Carolynne went and Rylan stayed. I will never vote for the show again, no wonder it has lost so many viewers this year. Producers whispering in Louis ear and him saving Carolynne and then going back on it completely put peoples backs up. I think that the best singers this year have been Ella and Jahmene and I do think that Jahmene will go on to win, either him or Christopher but I don't really care anymore! Mr Cowell has had a good run but I think that his luck is running out now!
Skip65
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“It's only a crime when the grown man in question stands with a face like he's about to cry, and bleats on about his nan and being the peoples champion (then storms off stage and slags her off to the backstage cameras)

He's played a blinder, you have to give him that, the fact people are feeling sorry for him and pity voting, with no intention of buying his material is hilarious. Surely, even the slowest of people could realise the only way to really stick it to Simon and the Judges is to switch off and not pay them money to vote. i can see some of them now "I'll show that Cowell, I'm going to vote Christopher 20 times" Cowell will get rid of Christopher within 3 months, but will keep that income from the 20 votes, and probably even manage to negotiate a better deal for himself over the real money makers like James and Jahmene, and get a bigger cut of the higher earners.

Really sticking it to him.”

christmas number one for chris here we come. He will make enough money out of that to keep him going for a while. Isn't it great
rivercity_rules
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I dont like Christopher but I dislike Tulisa even more. I am glad Chris stays no matter what she does or says to him.”

She won't care, how much is she getting paid for this? She'll still have her albums and her number 1's. He'll get a small percentage of what she does, and the public humiliation of being dropped by the record label before the next series even airs.

He could have tried to take her criticism on board, and try to sing something more marketable in todays music business, then he may be getting votes for his performances over pity.

If he wins or loses, it won't be her who loses any sleep long term.
Canks
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“But has Tulisa commented on this?

Does the fact this has happened, make Tulisa any more of a hypocrite, as the OP makes out, because she said she felt bad for how much crap Rylan has been through?

It was a comment to Rylan, had she dared to mention Christopher, I think some on here would have had Ofcom, the police and the Samaritans on the line to complain and comment about her "bullying"”

I like Tulisa, I'm not having a go at her. I was replying to the poster who said Rylan had homophobic abuse whilst Christopher hasn't had much.
rivercity_rules
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Skip65:
“christmas number one for chris here we come. He will make enough money out of that to keep him going for a while. Isn't it great”

Will it though?

I don't think any act really makes money on singles, particularly singles they have no writing credits on themselves. He'll make a bit, but Tulisa, the other Judges, probably a few other acts, and mainly Cowell, will make a hell of a lot more.
Darcyprincess
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rombod:
“She always praises his vocals, though. She did apologise yesterday. She didn't say he murdered songs every week. Chris was upset because he wanted more praise, its not abuse because she didn't give it to him. Sorry but you're full of lies. I don't like her and think she's a crap judge; why would I wear rose-tinted glasses?”

No, they are not lies, you are just not listening to the majority of us that feel as we do, you are missing the snide remarks and inuendos that Tulisa makes, how she sits there giggling to Louis whilst Christopher is singing, its totally unproffessional and out of order! Skip is right, we are wasting our time because we are just going around in circles here. You really do need to take off those rose tinted glasses when it comes to Tulisa I'm afraid!

For somebody that does not like Tulisa you are making a big argument out of something that is undefendable!
rombod
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“No, they are not lies, you are just not listening to the majority of us that feel as we do, you are missing the snide remarks and inuendos that Tulisa makes, how she sits there giggling to Louis whilst Christopher is singing, its totally unproffessional and out of order! Skipp is right, we are wasting our time because we are just going around in circles here. You really do need to take off those rose tinted glasses when it comes to Tulisa I'm afraid!

For somebody that does not like Tulisa you are making a big argument out of something that is undefendable!”

If it's so indefensible then people would be able to give loads of valid examples and yet no one has given a single one. She praises him loads and even said last week she accepted his popularity and would sit back and enjoy it. She laughed at a, frankly, hilarious performance? Oh, the abuse! and she even said sorry for doing it. What were these snide comments I missed, and even if they were there, how is that abuse? Gary is outright rude about Rylan and no one cares. You and Skips are not convincing.

I do dislike her as a judge... I just don't let my dislike twist the truth to justify itself.
Menk
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“But has Tulisa commented on this?

Does the fact this has happened, make Tulisa any more of a hypocrite, as the OP makes out, because she said she felt bad for how much crap Rylan has been through?

It was a comment to Rylan, had she dared to mention Christopher, I think some on here would have had Ofcom, the police and the Samaritans on the line to complain and comment about her "bullying"”

The hypocrisy is in voicing sympathy for the crap one contestant has received whilst simultaneously being a main player in dishing out the crap to another contestant. Can you not see that cracking up laughing during someone's sincere performance is a not-too-subtle way of discrediting them and a very unkind way to attempt to destroy their confidence? It is a lot more damning than anything GB has ever said about Rylan.
E05297535
25-11-2012
It is a fact that Tulisa blamed Chris'(not Rylan/james/jahmene/ UJ's) stay for Ella leaving last week on Xtra Factor....not to actually think that Ella wasnt any good or hers/louis' berating of him/performance had an impact, causing folks to vote for him even more!! As Chris has a STRONG VOCAL VOICE, and used it to sing his chosen song the night before... And Rylan being the WEAKEST vocal, I would say she was being a bit personal in that respect!!!!
rivercity_rules
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by Menk:
“The hypocrisy is in voicing sympathy for the crap one contestant has received whilst simultaneously being a main player in dishing out the crap to another contestant. Can you not see that cracking up laughing during someone's sincere performance is a not-too-subtle way of discrediting them and a very unkind way to attempt to destroy their confidence? It is a lot more damning than anything GB has ever said about Rylan.”

She was commenting on Rylans interviews this week about his death threats, wishes he would catch aids etc. Not Gary Barlows comments.

That performance was funny, and she even said it wasn't his fault, it was his mentors. She apologised at the time and then critiqued him, putting aside the ludicrous backing dancers (Not sure how singing Fernando with dancers in bathing suits is sincere but maybe that's just me)

I don't see her doing her job, and commenting on the performance in front of her (initially offering constructive criticism which Christopher and Gary chose to ignore) and then saying she thinks someone receiving homophobic threats makes her a hypocrite no.
rombod
25-11-2012
Originally Posted by E05297535:
“It is a fact that Tulisa blamed Chris'(not Rylan/james/jahmene/ UJ's) stay for Ella leaving last week on Xtra Factor....not to actually think that Ella wasnt any good or hers/louis' berating of him/performance had an impact, causing folks to vote for him even more!! As Chris has a STRONG VOCAL VOICE, and used it to sing his chosen song the night before... And Rylan being the WEAKEST vocal, I would say she was being a bit personal in that respect!!!!”

Well... I think she feels that the others are more commercial, which is fair. That's not really personal, she just doesn't buy into the act. I agree that it was dumb of her to suggest the public were voting for the wrong people as it's a competition, but that isn't abusing Chris.
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