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Old 03-09-2013, 14:13
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Suffice to say a "supporting role" didn't suit Raikonnen.
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Old 03-09-2013, 14:45
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So some nutters, 12 years ago, went a bit loopy and flew a few planes into the WTC!! That makes all al Qaeda members and supporters terrorists?? Does that make every Palestinian supporter a terrorist as well?

From what I have been able to ascertain, no one was ever charged with the attacks, and there has never been any proof that the perpertrator was working for Al Quaeda.
Is this really a serious post? You cannot be really comparing Greenpeace to Al-Qaeda, are you?

Some unknown assailant (no one has claimed responsibility for the action in Germany, a tacit practice of terrorist organisations), sets fire to a petrol station, a long time ago and that makes Greenpeace an a par with the worlds most deadliest and feared terrorist organisation?

I think that is a disgraceful insult, not only to everyone's intelligence on here, but to the thousands who died in the attacks in 2001.

I think you ought to apolise.
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Old 03-09-2013, 17:31
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Suffice to say a "supporting role" didn't suit Raikonnen.
You missed out "In my opinion". I take it is your opinion and not fact.
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Old 03-09-2013, 22:22
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Also would like to know what terms caused the sticking point between RBR and Kimi.
That seems fairly obvious to me.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:43
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That seems fairly obvious to me.
We can all guess, and thats all it will be, a guess. Unless someone from Kimis team or RBR come out and tell us, we will never know for sure.

Thus our guesses dont really mean anything.
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Old 04-09-2013, 19:41
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You only have to look back at Red Bull's history of drivers to see that they may well have been wary of bringing in a proven WC with expectations of winning future titles who is likely to have been tempremental, rocked the boat and not stuck around for more than a couple of seasons. Historically Coulthard was the only driver with a proven track record when they signed him and he was clearly towards the end of his career. Red Bull have had really only had 3 driver pairings in their 9 years: Coulthard / Klien, Coulthard / Webber and Webber / Vettel. They clearly like that stability and think Riccardo will give them that while Kimi probably wouldn't given his track record.
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Old 04-09-2013, 22:35
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Is this really a serious post? You cannot be really comparing Greenpeace to Al-Qaeda, are you?

Some unknown assailant (no one has claimed responsibility for the action in Germany, a tacit practice of terrorist organisations), sets fire to a petrol station, a long time ago and that makes Greenpeace an a par with the worlds most deadliest and feared terrorist organisation?

I think that is a disgraceful insult, not only to everyone's intelligence on here, but to the thousands who died in the attacks in 2001.

I think you ought to apolise.
Not sure how to "apolise", but yes Greenpeace firebombed and shot several petrol stations. Greenpeace is also on the FBI list of terrorist organisations for other things, such as swapping GE rice for organic rice. The GE rice was resistant to pests, and the organic rice wasn't. As such, several third world countries starved because of the Greenpeace objections and direct action. That is the act of a terrorist organisation.
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Old 04-09-2013, 22:52
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Not sure how to "apolise", but yes Greenpeace firebombed and shot several petrol stations.
Erm....no they didn't. When was Greenpeace charged, prosecuted and convicted of those crimes? Who claimed repsonsibilty for them?

Greenpeace is also on the FBI list of terrorist organisations for other things, such as swapping GE rice for organic rice. The GE rice was resistant to pests, and the organic rice wasn't. As such, several third world countries starved because of the Greenpeace objections and direct action. That is the act of a terrorist organisation.
Oh dear, I think you are behind the times on this one.
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Old 04-09-2013, 23:28
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So some nutters, 12 years ago, went a bit loopy and flew a few planes into the WTC!! That makes all al Qaeda members and supporters terrorists?
Yes, all members of Al Qaeda are terrorists and all supporters of Al Qaeda are sympathisers and supporters of terrorists. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to see a doctor or is likely a member of said organization or a supporter of them and either way is an utter c**t.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:29
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You only have to look back at Red Bull's history of drivers to see that they may well have been wary of bringing in a proven WC with expectations of winning future titles who is likely to have been tempremental, rocked the boat and not stuck around for more than a couple of seasons. Historically Coulthard was the only driver with a proven track record when they signed him and he was clearly towards the end of his career. Red Bull have had really only had 3 driver pairings in their 9 years: Coulthard / Klien, Coulthard / Webber and Webber / Vettel. They clearly like that stability and think Riccardo will give them that while Kimi probably wouldn't given his track record.
I can go along with this line of thinking. It does sort of make sense. I say 'sort of' because if this was the case, why bother holding talks with Kimi? Then again maybe they realised during the talks that Kimi just wasnt right for them or vice versa. Thats why I would love to know why the talks broke down. I guess at some point we will find out.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:34
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I can go along with this line of thinking. It does sort of make sense. I say 'sort of' because if this was the case, why bother holding talks with Kimi? Then again maybe they realised during the talks that Kimi just wasnt right for them or vice versa. Thats why I would love to know why the talks broke down. I guess at some point we will find out.
I'm not sure RB necessarily have a policy which means they'll never recruit a proven winner / current contender. I just think when they looked at the options open to them this time they decided that having a 'wing man' for Vettel was preferable to bringing in someone who will compete with him but isn't going to outlast him. I think Riccardo will do for a couple of seasons and then they'll seriously start to think about who will be Vettel's long term successor. If they don't think that's Riccardo or one of the future TR drivers then I expect they will look at an established driver. I suppose it boils down to how long Vettel wants to stay at RB for.
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Old 05-09-2013, 13:31
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Bearing in mind that one mark of a true all time great is winning championships with more than one team. If he wants to be placed higher in the pantheon than Schumacher then Vettel needs to move at some point.
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Old 05-09-2013, 14:09
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What happens at RBR depends on what happens with the car. Currently it is the best by some way which why Hamilton, Raikonnen and Alonso were all interested in going there. It is obvious Vettel would prefer not to have any of those to compete with in a RBR car. Vettel will leave when it is no longer a car he can win championships in.
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Old 05-09-2013, 17:02
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Bearing in mind that one mark of a true all time great is winning championships with more than one team.
Sucks to be Senna then. Or Hakkinen. Or Alonso. Etc.
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Old 05-09-2013, 17:20
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Well it makes for a good pub discussion. But I would not go so far as to say that you *have* to be a multi-team champion to be considered an all time great. Turning it round, can anyone suggest a multi-team champion who would not be otherwise be considered an all time great? May have to go outside F1 to find someone like that.

This is why I was really hoping Rossi could make the Ducati bike work for him to push him well clear of other double-team MotoGP champions by adding to his Honda and Yamaha titles.
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Old 06-09-2013, 21:04
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What happens at RBR depends on what happens with the car. Currently it is the best by some way which why Hamilton, Raikonnen and Alonso were all interested in going there. It is obvious Vettel would prefer not to have any of those to compete with in a RBR car. Vettel will leave when it is no longer a car he can win championships in.
Not that it will ever happen, but in fantasy land, wouldn't it be interesting to have a race where everyone had identical cars?
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Old 06-09-2013, 23:15
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Not sure how to "apolise", but yes Greenpeace firebombed and shot several petrol stations. Greenpeace is also on the FBI list of terrorist organisations for other things, such as swapping GE rice for organic rice. The GE rice was resistant to pests, and the organic rice wasn't. As such, several third world countries starved because of the Greenpeace objections and direct action. That is the act of a terrorist organisation.
Dude you can't have an opinion, view or thought against the norm on the F1 forum they don't allow it.
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:44
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Hamilton only 12th.
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Old 07-09-2013, 13:51
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Hamilton only 12th.
Blunt and honest from Hamilton. Clearly blocked by Sutil though he shouldn't blame himself that much.
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Old 07-09-2013, 14:03
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Brilliant from Hulkenberg. Very naughty from Massa, he went too fast...
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Old 07-09-2013, 14:03
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Great qualifying by Hulkenberg. He deserves a top drive next season.
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Old 07-09-2013, 14:07
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Hulk was incredible.
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Old 07-09-2013, 14:23
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Hulk was incredible.
Pun intended? lol.
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Old 07-09-2013, 14:30
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I've been waiting all season for an opportunity to use that one.
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Old 07-09-2013, 15:04
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Blunt and honest from Hamilton. Clearly blocked by Sutil though he shouldn't blame himself that much.
Yeah if only Hamilton had driven better at the start of Q2 then it woul have changed everything but never mind.

Just looked unlucky where he caught Sutil. But if he did block him it serves Hamilton right after what he did to Sutil.

Great to see Hamilton knocked out and only P12.

Not sure what Alonso can do tomorrow might be able to get pasted two of the cars in front of him quite easily. Mercedes Button blocker is down the grid to.

Hopefully Masa has now done enough to convince Ferrari to sack him.

I think the race will be another stride in Vettel's march to four in a row world championships.
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