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I've never warmed to Vettel as I find him quite unlikeable for some reason. I think people actually might not like him and not because that he is winning most of the time.
I don't remember Schumacher getting this type of treatment and he kept winning and winning. I don't see anything especially arrogant about Vettel. There is some arrogance, but I think that is needed to compete at the highest level in any support. There has to be a part of you that thinks you are the best. The fact that he seems to enjoy winning seems to annoy some. But no matter what he does, some people will fault him. I guess you could say, he just can't win...
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I'm sure that there are certain miserable bastards who are genuinely so rabid in their worship of a specific driver (usually one in a red car) that they specifically dislike Vettel for preventing the chinned-one from taking another WDC but, for the most part, I think there's little dislike for Vettel, himself, and it's more a dislike of the dominance that his continual victories represent.
They come across as bad as 1D or Bieber fans! ![]() But saying that I do think people should be able to cheer and boo whoever they like though it does seem to have become a bit panto like. Quote:
The fact that he seems to enjoy winning seems to annoy some. But no matter what he does, some people will fault him. I guess you could say, he just can't win... LOL have you been hanging out with Crofty?
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Thought Vettel had already won a race in the Toro Rosso, so he has already done a stint in a non front-running car
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Good drive from Kimi, McLaren gamble didn't work, Mercedes 50 seconds off the lead (time for another illegal test methinks), Williams just missed out on a much needed point
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And stop booing Vettel on the podium (stay quiet and let people think you are an idiot rather than open your gob to boo and thus prove it)
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Good drive from Kimi, McLaren gamble didn't work, Mercedes 50 seconds off the lead (time for another illegal test methinks), Williams just missed out on a much needed point
![]() Seems like RBR didn't pit Vettel during the s/c cos they knew he had the life in his tyres to just bugger off into the distance again after the s/c came in. God knows who, at Merc, decided that Hamilton and Rosberg had the same sort of pace and would be able to do the same thing... which they obviously couldn't. Seems like, if they'd pitted at the same time as everybody else, they would, at worst, have ended up on fresh tyres right behind those in front of them when the s/c came in rather than staying out for a bunch of laps on older tyres while the cars behind were on new tyres and then, when they did pit, ending up almost an entire pitstop behind the people who'd they were supposed to be racing with. I bet Hamilton thought that was the kind of half-assed strategy that he was leaving behind when he left McLaren. |
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Thought Vettel had already won a race in the Toro Rosso, so he has already done a stint in a non front-running car
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Webber's got himself a 10-place grid penalty for hitching a lift with Alonso. What a load of shite.
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Webber's got himself a 10-place grid penalty for hitching a lift with Alonso. What a load of shite.
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He's never suffered a bad season (car-wise) at a front-running team. That's a whole different pressure.
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Webber's got himself a 10-place grid penalty for hitching a lift with Alonso. What a load of shite.
It's his last season, he's not contending for the championship and he deserves a few more wins - give the guy a break. Disgusting treatment
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Though technically by definition if the car is bad then the afflicted team will no longer be front-running
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Un-f**king-believable. Completely unnecessary.
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Not true, they're still considered a major team - McLaren and Ferrari over the past few years are obvious examples. That's the pressure I meant.
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I bet there'll be some head-scratching at Merc' in the next few days.
Seems like RBR didn't pit Vettel during the s/c cos they knew he had the life in his tyres to just bugger off into the distance again after the s/c came in. God knows who, at Merc, decided that Hamilton and Rosberg had the same sort of pace and would be able to do the same thing... which they obviously couldn't. Seems like, if they'd pitted at the same time as everybody else, they would, at worst, have ended up on fresh tyres right behind those in front of them when the s/c came in rather than staying out for a bunch of laps on older tyres while the cars behind were on new tyres and then, when they did pit, ending up almost an entire pitstop behind the people who'd they were supposed to be racing with. I bet Hamilton thought that was the kind of half-assed strategy that he was leaving behind when he left McLaren. |
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Amazing... Penalty completely against the spirit of the sport. why didn't they penalise Alonso as well then? Takes two to tango [one to give the lift, one to accept it]
![]() The issue was Alonso stopped in the middle of the track, causing both Mercedes drivers to take 'avoiding action' and this was what was deemed dangerous by the officials (especially as marshals had told Fernando explicitly not to stop). |
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'Major' and 'front running' are different concepts [pedant's hat on]. I mean to my mind, given their history, Williams are still a major team
![]() Certainly for the fans and the sponsors the pressure is the same, and it's how drivers cope with that, and their ability to produce great performances from sub-par machinery under the pressure that comes from driving for a top team that makes a great driver in my opinion. And there's no need for pedantry, it's very clear that I'm talking about a different situation to Vettel at Toro Rosso! |
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The issue was Alonso stopped in the middle of the track, causing both Mercedes drivers to take 'avoiding action' and this was what was deemed dangerous by the officials (especially as marshals had told Fernando explicitly not to stop).
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And how, exactly, did Webber force Alonso to stop in the middle of the track? Even if he indicated he wanted a lift, it was Alonso's choice alone to stop where he did, so there's nothing in that to merit giving Webber a penalty.
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And how, exactly, did Webber force Alonso to stop in the middle of the track? Even if he indicated he wanted a lift, it was Alonso's choice alone to stop where he did, so there's nothing in that to merit giving Webber a penalty.
It's against the rules to stop on track without good reason and it's also against the rules to go onto the track without permission too. It's incontrovertible that Alonso stopped without good reason (if you're a jumped-up little safety-nazi jobsworth, that is) but Webber DID have permission to be on track, racing, and he could probably argue that nobody had made him aware that his permission had been revoked after his own car stopped on-track. Course, Webber is probably beyond really caring now. One of the pettiest, most flat-out retarded decisions that's ever been made in F1 IMO. One hopes that Derek Warwick was opposed to it but, somehow, I fear not. |
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They did - both got reprimands. Just happens that it's Webber's 3rd of the season and so incurs the grid penalty.
The issue was Alonso stopped in the middle of the track, causing both Mercedes drivers to take 'avoiding action' and this was what was deemed dangerous by the officials (especially as marshals had told Fernando explicitly not to stop).
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You're looking at the longer term though - Ferrari didn't suddenly stop being a front-running team just because they started a championship with a rubbish car. Being a front-running team in terms of reputation is different to the actual possibility of winning a race with the current machinery.
Certainly for the fans and the sponsors the pressure is the same, and it's how drivers cope with that, and their ability to produce great performances from sub-par machinery under the pressure that comes from driving for a top team that makes a great driver in my opinion. And there's no need for pedantry, it's very clear that I'm talking about a different situation to Vettel at Toro Rosso! |
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One of the pettiest, most flat-out retarded decisions that's ever been made in F1 IMO.
One hopes that Derek Warwick was opposed to it but, somehow, I fear not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXMCLiAvzg8 (until FOM get it taken down )Quote:
And how, exactly, did Webber force Alonso to stop in the middle of the track? Even if he indicated he wanted a lift, it was Alonso's choice alone to stop where he did, so there's nothing in that to merit giving Webber a penalty.
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Wasn't the best place to stop can't argue with that but all the cars are crawling round so its hardly super dangerous.
Notice it was Hamilton that came up behind them. I wonder if he complained. |
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Wasn't the best place to stop can't argue with that but all the cars are crawling round so its hardly super dangerous.
Notice it was Hamilton that came up behind them. I wonder if he complained. Doubt it would have been Lewis the stewards saw what happened live (as did everyone else) and knew that was a breach of the rules. They would then have looked at all the telemetry/onboards they had access to whist deciding the punishment. Remember this only resulted in a reprimand which is probably fair just Webber had 2 previous reprimands (one of which was for not obeying yellows something incidentally I would prefer an automatic 1 race ban for). |
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