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My concern about next year is that we may end up with Raikkonen and Alonso both being very fast, but taking points off each other whilst fighting for second place, whilst Vettel charges off into the distance in the lead. I guess this is down to how well the new engines work though. Could it be a bit like Prost beating Piquet and Mansell in 1986, where Williams got the constructors' crown but a McLaren driver took the drivers championship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_F...inal_standings I may be wrong As I said before, it seems like Ferrari have, in recent years, been going all-out to win the drivers title but it seems like next year they'll be shooting for the constructors rather than, necessarily, the drivers title. I think most people would agree that the drivers title has more prestige (to the general public, at least) than the constructors' but I guess Ferrari have gotten to the point where they'd just rather win something rather than nothing. |
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It really all depends on how good (and reliable) the new engines are next year...
Another thought is that it might be time to go back to giving a point for fastest lap ![]() Do you think Red Bull have got up people's noses because they are a [relatively] new team who have quickly become front runners? If they did a Minardi or Forti (blimey the Yellow Banana Special |
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I think Red Bull are a team that are very hard to take to because they feel inauthentic. After all, Red Bull is first and foremost a soft drinks brand. They are not a manufacturer steeped in motor sport history like Ferrari or Lotus, nor an independent team built simply out of a desire to go racing like Williams or Sauber. That makes them difficult to support.
I know, I know... In the modern era of F1, most teams are like that. But most at least licence themselves a heritage name, or are owned by a couple of entrepreneurs with a particular interest in racing. With Red Bull, it's just all so bloody corporate. They swept in, bought not one team but two, spent loads of money, hired themselves the best designers, started winning and didn't stop. It's all a little... soulless. Not having a dig at the individuals involved in the team - they clearly love racing and are bloody good at it! But the team as an entire entity is pretty difficult to love. |
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That's what I was thinking too.
As I said before, it seems like Ferrari have, in recent years, been going all-out to win the drivers title but it seems like next year they'll be shooting for the constructors rather than, necessarily, the drivers title. I think most people would agree that the drivers title has more prestige (to the general public, at least) than the constructors' but I guess Ferrari have gotten to the point where they'd just rather win something rather than nothing. A figure equal to (or greater than) the winning constructors share? No wonder they don't need to fight for the constructors revenue share if they're guaranteed the funding anyway. |
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Don't Ferrari get a big cut of the revenue BEFORE the allocation of funds from the constructors pie is sliced up?
A figure equal to (or greater than) the winning constructors share? No wonder they don't need to fight for the constructors revenue share if they're guaranteed the funding anyway. They're probably just looking for something impressive to put on their sales brochures which isn't starting to look rather out-of-date. |
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Did anyone watch the Niki Lauda/James Hunt documentary last night.
Shows how different everything is! |
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Do you think Red Bull have got up people's noses because they are a [relatively] new team who have quickly become front runners? If they did a Minardi or Forti (blimey the Yellow Banana Special |
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I really do not care who wins I just want to see competitive races.
![]() But no, just pussyfooting and faffing over bloody tyres. :yawn: BTW the highlights on BBC were appalling. It was impossible to follow what was happening in the race. I think it was condensed down into about 45 minutes.
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The words fat and chance come to mind. Oh for some excitement, some breathtaking passes, some real racing,
But no, just pussyfooting and faffing over bloody tyres. :yawn: BTW the highlights on BBC were appalling. It was impossible to follow what was happening in the race. I think it was condensed down into about 45 minutes. ![]() |
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....some real racing...
If they attempt to fight for position now they just get told to give it back, even if the driver in question was ahead to begin with. Actually, the Hulk'/Perez incident sets a rather disturbing precedent. In future all a driver has to do is have a fair stab at an overtake around the outside and the team can claim that the leading car ran them out of road and should be forced to yield the position. |
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Steady on now. Can't be having that sort of thing!
If they attempt to fight for position now they just get told to give it back, even if the driver in question was ahead to begin with. Actually, the Hulk'/Perez incident sets a rather disturbing precedent. In future all a driver has to do is have a fair stab at an overtake around the outside and the team can claim that the leading car ran them out of road and should be forced to yield the position. It seems to me that it is his overtaking policy on these tight street circuits and (as you say) the fact that he has already been allowed to profit from it at two different races suggests that he isn't likely to stop any time soon. |
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Mclaren set that precedent at Monaco.
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It's not really a precedent though, Perez did exactly the same thing several times at Monaco. One time Alonzo was forced to give the place back, another time he tried it with Kimi and crashed.
It seems to me that it is his overtaking policy on these tight street circuits and (as you say) the fact that he has already been allowed to profit from it at two different races suggests that he isn't likely to stop any time soon. At least, at Monaco, Perez was actually having a go at overtaking (albeit rather clumsily) by going up the inside on the corner entry and the other car chose to run across the chicane to avoid a collision while, at the same time, also avoiding losing position. What happened at Singapore was that Perez tried to go around the outside, which was never likely to actually be successful, and when Hulk' took the racing line the stewards decided that he'd forced Perez off the road. |
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Yeah pretty similar just get along side never actually pass and then get the stewards to wave you through.
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FIA set to make up more rules stop drivers doing anything fun on slow down lap. Drivers to be fully briefed before the next GP.
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Yeah pretty similar just get along side never actually pass and then get the stewards to wave you through.
It's far less likely that a manoevre around the outside of another car is ever likely to be successful. Don't get me wrong, I think Perez thoroughly deserved a penalty in Monaco, simply for his reckless driving. Having said that, though, I think creating a precedent where any driver who makes a dive up the outside of another car before falling off the road should then, subsequently, be waved-through is far sillier. Occurs to me, actually, that on the same basis, Vettel should really have been forced to yield to Rosberg after he passed Vettel at the start.
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Autosport's headlines page seems to conceding the title fight to Red Bull now
"Ferrari 'should forget' 2014 title hopes" says Alan Permane "Red Bull: no qualms over dominance" "Mercedes fears Vettel can win all races" "Ferrari: Vettel trouble our main hope" Might as well go to the pub for sunday afternoons rather than watch the rest of the F1 season. When Vettel does finally win it, it will be on the sunday evening news. |
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Steady on now. Can't be having that sort of thing!
If they attempt to fight for position now they just get told to give it back, even if the driver in question was ahead to begin with. Actually, the Hulk'/Perez incident sets a rather disturbing precedent. In future all a driver has to do is have a fair stab at an overtake around the outside and the team can claim that the leading car ran them out of road and should be forced to yield the position. |
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Because he short cutted going off track were the track bends to the right I think.
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Because he short cutted going off track were the track bends to the right I think.
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Have we found out why Hamilton was forced to relinquish his place to Alonso yet?
![]() Apologies if that's a joke or a crafty dig but I'm afraid most of the race was a bit of a blur for me. ![]() I thought Hamilton just steadily worked his way up to about 4th or 5th, never really saw anything of Alonso, and then both him and Rosberg suffered horribly when the team made the decision not to pit them under the s/c and then pit them afterwards instead. |
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![]() Apologies if that's a joke or a crafty dig but I'm afraid most of the race was a bit of a blur for me. ![]() I thought Hamilton just steadily worked his way up to about 4th or 5th, never really saw anything of Alonso, and then both him and Rosberg suffered horribly when the team made the decision not to pit them under the s/c and then pit them afterwards instead. ) on Lap 1.
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it's a sad day when I'm more interested in watching GP2/3/BTCC than I am in watching F1, but that's what's been happening this season :sleep:
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He was ordered to give back fifth place to Massa (sorry, not Alonso
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Hamilton got the run on him enabling him to pass by going wide off track at the previous corner carrying more exit speed than normal. A fair call to yield the place back IMHO.
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