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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Rodney McKay
09-12-2013
Originally Posted by Batch:
“Absolutely ridiculous, (double) pointless and farcical thing to do. If they are trying to turn F1 into It's A Knockout, why not have a joker you can play for whichever race you like

Hopefully they'll put the crack pipe down and reverse this.
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I can see why they'd want to 'brand' drivers with permanent numbers though. Don't really care about that too much to be honest.”

I agree. Seems to be rather stupid, like you say why not given them a joker to play.

Or perhaps they could have targets on the track to run over and gain extra points.

If they want to make F1 interesting get back to V10 and V12 engines, refuelling and more than one tyre manufacturer.

I heard the guy who is planning the Formula E series on Sky saying that people would be able to give the driver more power by tweeting during the race which means he'd get more boost to pass other cars.

That'll be giving Bernie ideas next.
bingoman
09-12-2013
So what does everyone think of the Driver having Numbers on the cars for the rest of their Careers atm im not to sure about it but it could intresting
Assa2
10-12-2013
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“So what does everyone think of the Driver having Numbers on the cars for the rest of their Careers atm im not to sure about it but it could intresting”

Effectively that's how it used to be exceot that it was teams that had a pair of numbers that were strongly associated with them and never changed unless they won the DC. Willaims - 5 & 6 (Red 5 for Mansell), Mclaren 7 & 8, Ferrari 27 & 28. I'm not sure I like the idea of teams not having consecutive numbers but it's really an irrelevence these days.

As for the double-points last race, I'm not sure it will make any difference. If a team is dominant they'll win well before the final race anyway and if there's no dominant team it would probably go down to the final race anyway. The danger is you'll get a freak result where someone who would otherwise be out of the championship in 4th or 5th place comes through to win. With 19 races it's only a 5% extra over the length of the season. Seems entirely pointless, actually (pardon the pun).
James1953
10-12-2013
I assume the double points will also be for the constructors championship as well. It may have more effect on that than on the drivers championship
At first thought it does seem a ludricous idea.
gomezz
10-12-2013
Will they also be forcing the teams to make the numbers visible on the cars rather than lost in a sea of livery and sponsorship? For example by specifying a plain colour background roundel of minimum size?
d'@ve
10-12-2013
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“As for the double-points last race, I'm not sure it will make any difference. If a team is dominant they'll win well before the final race anyway and if there's no dominant team it would probably go down to the final race anyway. The danger is you'll get a freak result where someone who would otherwise be out of the championship in 4th or 5th place comes through to win. With 19 races it's only a 5% extra over the length of the season. Seems entirely pointless, actually (pardon the pun).”

I agree with Vettel that it's a stupid rule. Pointless double points in fact, what the hell could they have been thinking of?

I also disagree with the comment on the BBC report about this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25324100 where it says

Quote:
“"Does the final race matter?

If the new system had been in place for the last two decades, three world titles would have been won by a driver other than that year's eventual world champion.”

Because, obviously, drivers and teams who did not have to win to be champion would drive the race differently if it was a double points race and they needed a higher finishing position. Doh! @ BBC report. <rolleyes> I suppose it might have made one or two of them a bit more competitive though and obviously anything is possible but it's pointless guesswork.
Grouty
10-12-2013
Double points is an absolute joke.
Si_Crewe
11-12-2013
Originally Posted by bingoman:
“So what does everyone think of the Driver having Numbers on the cars for the rest of their Careers atm im not to sure about it but it could intresting”

24 men are currently sat at home thinking "I want #69".

It's obviously all about the branding. Valentino Rossi has probably made a few quid out of "46" branded stuff and somebody in F1 has decided they'd like a slice of that action.
Seems a bit silly to me.

The double-points thing is just plain stupid.
Forget, for a moment, that it's just the last race. It's simply one of 19 races and, like all the other races, some cars are going to be better than others on a given circuit.
Why on Earth would you think it's fair to give some teams an extra reward simply because they happen to have a car which suits a particular circuit?
At the very least, to make it fair, they'd have to either select the "double-points" circuit at random each year or re-arrange the calender every year so a different circuit is the final race.
Or just, y'know, scrap the idea entirely.
Wobbly Steve
11-12-2013
Instead of double points - just award points to all cars that start - 20 cars on grid - 1 = 20 pts, last = 1 pt....then give 5 pts for the fastest lap and 3 pts for the fastest pit stop (all tyre change).

The numbers for life is a rubbish idea also.
ACU
11-12-2013
Double points is a stupid idea, not sure what the FIA are thinking by introducing this. Just to spice things up a bit, the FIA should have said a team can pick a race (before qualifying) for which they will earn double points. This isnt a brilliant idea either, but better than the FIAs. Stick to the current points system, i.e. equal points for all races.

As for the same number for life, I am not bothered. Not a good or bad idea. Its a bit of a moot point, as I think the champion will always want number 1. So number 1 will change hands on a regular bases. If you did want the same number for life, you would have to select one higher than 24. If you didnt, there is a chance another driver could take it from you.
Si_Crewe
11-12-2013
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“As for the double-points last race, I'm not sure it will make any difference. If a team is dominant they'll win well before the final race anyway and if there's no dominant team it would probably go down to the final race anyway. The danger is you'll get a freak result where someone who would otherwise be out of the championship in 4th or 5th place comes through to win. With 19 races it's only a 5% extra over the length of the season. Seems entirely pointless, actually (pardon the pun).”

Must admit, whenever this stuff comes up, I can't help thinking that somebody, somewhere, is REALLY pissed-off about how Hamilton won his WDC and they're constantly trying to think up ways to stop that happening again.

Forza Ferrari doesn't work for the FIA does he?
gomezz
11-12-2013
Referring back to Lorenzo in MotoGP, they came up with a design which could be read as either 1 or as 99 depending on how you looked at it. So he ran as number 1 but still had 99 on the bike's livery.
Assa2
11-12-2013
To me there's a certain irony about drivers being able to exploit an identification with a particular number for commercial gain when so many have moved away from a personal helmet design which used to be used for that very purpose.
flagpole
12-12-2013
lotus suggest some F1 rule changes.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbMxMdJCYAERKfd.jpg:large

like:
10. Any team with a reality TV guest at any race will be forced to contest the following race with the same reality TV star driving.

17. All drivers named Sebastian Vettel will complete their own pitstops without outside assistance from their mechanics.
Assa2
12-12-2013
I'm not convinced about the authenticity of those suggested rules, but as they infinitely more sensible than anything the FIA have come up, I lend my full support to them!
Sabre92
12-12-2013
The FIA have messed up badly with the double points rule. Surely anyone with any knowledge of social media can see how dead against the fans are against this change. Whilst I appreciate the need for entertainment, the way to do it is through looking at the aerodynamics of the cars and making it easier to overtake naturally rather than through these stupid gimmicks, that will achieve nothing but eventually drive the viewers away. Sadly, the teams are so obsessed with themselves and making sure they get a good deal out of this that they've seen an opportunity to benefit from this rule and have put their own interests above that of the sport. Something which has become an all-too familiar problem in recent years.

The budget cap is a good idea as long as it can be policed properly and isn't set too high so it gives the smaller teams a chance to compete with the big guns (I'd suggest something around £80m eventually). I quite like the change in numbers as well, especially if the drivers do end up keeping them for life. It does becoming annoying when they constantly change each year and you're racking your brains every time an investigation comes up on the screen without the driver names.
Assa2
12-12-2013
Part of the issue is the tracks used these days. The old calendar (pre '94) was filled with fast circuits with few technical sectors. As a result of the post '94 safety-first regime (which was totally understandable at the time) all but Monza and Spa have been replaced or changed beyond all recognition so now the calendar is dominated by technical circuits with the odd token long straight. As a result teams concentrated on aerodynamics and we are where we are now.

Cars driving close together and making lots of overtakes is inherently dangerous. More 'fast' circuits would make the racing better but would be more dangerous. Basically do we want US style close racing where drivers still get injured or killed or 'safe' F1 racing which is a bit boring?
ICT User 77
12-12-2013
Force India have announced that Sergio Perez will be their second driver partnering Nico Hulkenburg next season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25346242

With Hulkenberg and Perez in the team (my two favourite drivers) looks like I will be Force India's newest fan.

Hopefully they produce a great car which both Hulk and Perez can shine in and show Lotus and McClaren respectively what they're missing out on. Both great talents.
flagpole
12-12-2013
I don't rate Perez at all. And I thought he should have been banned at Monaco.
ACU
12-12-2013
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“I don't rate Perez at all. And I thought he should have been banned at Monaco.”

I think he is quite a decent driver. Yeah he made a couple of mistakes, however he did finish strong. Beating Button a few times in qualy and the race.

Force India have a strong driver pairing. Pity the car isnt as good as these drivers deserve. Force India are not known to pay their drives much. Will be interesting to see how much these two are on. They tend to finalise their driver line up late, thus are left with drivers no one else wants...so can pay less, as the driver just wants to be in F1. This time its worked out for them as they have two good (one very good) drivers.
flagpole
12-12-2013
I imagine the bidding process just being the pair and Paul just in a race to the bottom.

Wrt Perez, I find his driving a bit immature. That may change I suppose. And as you say he has progressed.
ICT User 77
12-12-2013
I think Perez showed what he can do with Sauber with a couple of second places. As mentioned he did also beat Jenson frequently in the McLaren last season. He has had rash moments like Monaco but overall he's definitely making progression as a driver.

As stated earlier it would be nice to see Force India develop a decent car because both Hulk and Sergio are deserving of top drives in the sport.
Si_Crewe
13-12-2013
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“lotus suggest some F1 rule changes.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbMxMdJCYAERKfd.jpg:large”

At least as good as anything the FIA has come out with.

Originally Posted by flagpole:
“Wrt Perez, I find his driving a bit immature. That may change I suppose. And as you say he has progressed.”

This.

On his best day, Perez is certainly worthy of a seat in F1 but he seems a bit like Maldonado (without the attitude) to me; he can go fast when all the conditions are right but he struggles and makes mistakes when the circumstances aren't perfect.

If, for example, you put Perez in this year's RBR, up against Vettel, he'd probably have given Vettel a hard time.
He might have ended up burning up his tyres too quickly, falling off the circuit or crashing into other cars and, ultimately, not doing anything like as well as Vettel but I'm sure he would have challenged Vettel at every opportunity.
He seems to be in "maximum attack mode" all the time, at least once he's been threatened with the sack.

This year's McLaren was completely the wrong car for Perez. He seems to have that "I'm rich and I'm paying for a seat in a fast car" mentality which isn't really conducive to driving strategically, within the limits of a substandard car.
tasker
13-12-2013
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Force India have announced that Sergio Perez will be their second driver partnering Nico Hulkenburg next season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25346242

With Hulkenberg and Perez in the team (my two favourite drivers) looks like I will be Force India's newest fan.

Hopefully they produce a great car which both Hulk and Perez can shine in and show Lotus and McClaren respectively what they're missing out on. Both great talents.”

I have to say popular or not, in a way i am glad, was i the only person sick of hearing Di Resta bitch and moan to anybody who listened about not having a drive yet.?
Don't wash your linen in public it will come back and bite you.

And by the way i have nothing against him he is a decent driver, just stfu.
Steed
13-12-2013
My current subscription to F1 Racing Magazine ends with the January 2014 edition and I was looking around for a cheaper option than the renewal price of £45.00 for another 12 months from the F1 Racing Official Subscription Website

I found that one of the deals websites currently have a 12 month subscription to F1 Racing Magazine for £19.99

The shop price is £4.90 an issue (12 issues for £58.80), Official Subscription is £3.75 an issue (12 issues for £45.00) but you can get it for just £1.58 an issue (12 issues for £19.00) with this offer.
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