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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Si_Crewe
15-03-2014
Strange interview with Horner there.

When asked about Ricciardo's quali' he made a big fuss about how Ricciardo made "exactly the right choice of tyres" and how he "picked exactly the right time to come in for tyres".

S'funny cos it actually looked like DR wasn't really sure about coming in for inter's, tried to put it off for a couple of laps and then finally capitulated to the team's "suggestion" and then got told he was short of time because he'd left it too late.

And, meanwhile, Hamilton set faster and faster times on the wets and Alonso, a guy who's usually pretty switched on, started off on the inter's (and, thus, had the best idea of what they were capable of) and decided that wets were the way forward when he went in for new tyres.

Seems like the real story is that DR probably let himself get talked into running inter's, might have got pole if he'd stuck to his guns and stayed with the wets and Horner's praise was an attempt at making it up to DR.


In other news, Vettel comprehensively out-driven by DR.
Even without the yellow flag he was never anywhere near DRs pace.

*EDIT*

Typhoon in Oz tomorrow?
Matthartlane
15-03-2014
Hi all,

Sorry for going a bit off topic, but I just wanted some information,

Me and a few of my nephews are going to the British GP qualifying this year!.. My nephew is 9 years old, apart from seeing the obvious is there anything else to do around silverstone?.. ie sims and that!..

Again any advice would be helpful!..
noelw1969
15-03-2014
Certainly is an interesting start but I would have preferred that the rain stayed away so we could get a better idea of the state of play.

Mercedes seem to have supported the tag of pre-season favourites with Brundle even suggesting that they may be .7 or .8 of a second faster than the rest. Ricciardo without question did a great job but he will have been buoyed by his home crowd and his eagerness to impress in the new car. The idea that this will translate into a good race is another story as Red Bull have done precious little without getting major problems.

I am going to be interested to see if Mclaren can bounce back after a poor year last year and also what Williams might achieve.
Assa2
15-03-2014
Brilliant qualifying, very enjoyable. Good to see the drivers having to fight with the cars, even in the dry. Surprised to see Vettel and Button outclassed by their new team mates. Vettel in particular never looked like he was at the races today. I think DR out performed the car as it clearly has some major driveability issues still. Assuming its wet tomorrow it could be anyone's race but it still looks like the Mercs are the ones to beat. Think we could see several safety cars so with a bit of luck anyone who gets to the end could wind up winning.
zieler
16-03-2014
Bugger, Hamilton out already. Vettel is out as well.

Watching the reply, Kobayashi had a shocker. Kimi was very lucky. Massa wasn't...
Janielovesyou
16-03-2014
Well Lewis didn't last long and Vettel sounded like he was crying on the radio

Looks like it will be all change this year which should make it a lot more interesting than last year
allthingsuk
16-03-2014
I hope this isn't like McLaren 2012 for Lewis. That would be a tragedy given the pace Rosberg is showing.
Baccattack
16-03-2014
Dissapointing that we were robbed of a fight between the two Mercedes but not going to complain too much having backed Rosberg for the win at 9/2. Just need one of my four picks for the drivers championship to win and I'll be quids in

My driver of the day Ricciardo, has done very well all weekend under the pressure of his home grand prix albeit without some of the expectation given Red Bulls pre-season woes.
dee_eff
16-03-2014
A first race like we've just seen bodes well for an enjoyable season. Kudos to lots of racers.
The Wulfrunian
16-03-2014
Bodes well for McLaren with their ability to develop a car quickly. Save for 2013 of course where they essentially wrote that dog of a car off early doors.
allthingsuk
16-03-2014
McLaren and Red Bull have impressed me. I know the pair of them will be able to develop throughout the season. Magnussen and Ricciardo were excellent, as was Button this afternoon. Other standout drives go to Bottas, Kyvat, Vergne, Rosberg for just completely wiping the floor and beyond with everyone and probably Hulkenberg for a solid enough drive. The Ferraris looked desperately poor and Alonso looked off colour, and even still, was significantly quicker than Raikkonen. Their race pace, despite having a problem, isn't good enough and they look to be fighting behind McLaren and Red Bull.

Ferrari's inability to produce a very fast race winner is disappointing. I just hope their upgrades, when they come, actually work, because I expected them to be a lot stronger than 5th.

So first race in and it seems like the young chargers are making an impression. Perhaps if Raikkonen's poor run continues, will Ferrari wish they went for Bianchi or Hulkenberg instead?

As for Mercedes, completely dominant and Rosberg's driving style is so smooth and nice on the eye. As for Hamilton, I must admit, I'm concerned with all these reliability gremlins, like in testing with gearbox glitches and the wing failure, had to sit out P1, and now a misfiring cylinder. Is he pushing the car too hard or is he just being unlucky because I'm not entirely sure at the moment. But he could potentially be an engine down now which is not good if the problem isn't repairable. But more DNF's like this early on in the season and he could be in a lot of trouble.
dsweetenham
16-03-2014
Ricciardo is looking at being DQ'd for consistently exceeding the 100kg/hr fuel flow rate. Which seems bizarre surely Red Bull would have been looking at the same flow rate data as the FIA and have addressed the issue by changing engine map etc. Unless it is a faulty sensor it's a slam dunk DQ.
Si_Crewe
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by Baccattack:
“My driver of the day Ricciardo, has done very well all weekend under the pressure of his home grand prix albeit without some of the expectation given Red Bulls pre-season woes.”

Hmmm....

I was really happy for DR. It was great to see him do so well but he didn't exactly have a terribly exciting race.

The drive of the day, for me, should go to Bottas. In a Williams.
And that's not something I ever thought I'd find myself saying.

I really enjoyed that race.
I was a little worried that it'd all be ridiculously topsy-turvy so it was all just completely random and detract from the achievement of those who did well but it looks like all the changes have worked well and created a formula that makes for an interesting race.
Even once they sort out the reliability issues, you're still left with cars that move around a lot, are harder to control and where differing fuel strategies should allow for changes of position.

Is it just my imagination or did we see drivers following each other more closely too?
Maybe the changes to aero' have done just enough to allow cars to follow each other closely?
Seemed like, previously, even if a driver caught up with a car through a section that requires mechanical grip, they'd struggle to stay close though sections where aero' was key but during this race we saw plenty of drivers catch a car in the first sector and manage to stay right behind around sector 2 as well.

Great race from Magnussen too.
He didn't really have an exciting race but he certainly looks like he's worthy of his seat in F1.

Bit of an odd race for Ferrari.
Seems like we're used to discovering, at the start of the season, that the car is awful and needs a lot of work but, here, it seems okay-ish but neither Alonso or Kimmi did much of note.

Maybe it's simply cos they're not properly used to the cars yet so they're all driving at about 80% or something?
Perhaps if you were to re-run this race (somehow) in August you'd see more drivers "going for it"?
Si_Crewe
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by dsweetenham:
“Ricciardo is looking at being DQ'd for consistently exceeding the 100kg/hr fuel flow rate. Which seems bizarre surely Red Bull would have been looking at the same flow rate data as the FIA and have addressed the issue by changing engine map etc. Unless it is a faulty sensor it's a slam dunk DQ.”

Dunno why they really need to have a rule limiting fuel flow-rate.
I mean, there's no refueling and there's an absolute limit on the amount of fuel used so the engines have got to have the correct level of fuel-economy, overall, or they simply won't finish the race.

*EDIT*

Oh, and in other news, I see Hamilton is supposed to be marrying the Zingerburger.
Well, that's his season screwed.
Ted_Lee
16-03-2014
That race pissed me off as a Williams fan!!! Kobayabshi that guy really is an idiot taking out Massa. Its not the first time he has ruined someones race at the start.

As for Lewis - well he would bounce back back but this may be another 2012 allready had all the bad luck in testing. Looks like this might be Nicos till the last race and guess what? Lewis nics(excuse the pun) it at the last race - re 2008 and then the big debate goes on forrver that Lewis should not be real champion because of the double points

Anyway I have a serious question.

I have been watching skysports and never watch BBC highlights but decided no more sky. Is the BBC coverage sufficient?

Main reason I am traveling in 2weeks and would be away for 6 months, I want to record all BBC races and watch it all in one go without knowing the result.
dsweetenham
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by Ted_Lee:
“That race pissed me off as a Williams fan!!! Kobayabshi that guy really is an idiot taking out Massa. Its not the first time he has ruined someones race at the start.”

Wasn't his fault it turns out he had a rear brake problem (thus the stewards took no action). We've seen all weekend teams having issue with the new rear brake by wire systems.

There is though surely a safety issue for the FIA to consider around teams racing with cars who's rear brakes are liable to fail due to the new systems not being up to scratch.

EDIT and these new noses as well...

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...an-grand-prix/

...just as Newey and others were talking about pre-season.
JSemple3
16-03-2014
Watching the replay now I have to say although the cars are rather messed up with some of them seemingly breaking down at times they do sound rather good!
noelw1969
16-03-2014
First off, I've read so many stupid comments in other places about the sound of the engines. Now that the race is done, seems people have forgotten !! Hoo-rah !!

Second, loved the race. Magnusson did a great job and I'm pleased to see the Mclaren taking a step forward. Even with Massa having been so rudely shown the exit, the Williams showed a lot of promise in the hands of Bottas, great shame he hit the wall and had the blow out.

Ricciardo was a surprise for me as I thought the Red Bull was not up for full distance but he did a good job himself. Whether this was due to the fuel-flow issue now being investigated, we'll just have to see.

Can't wait for the next race.
Ted_Lee
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by JSemple3:
“Watching the replay now I have to say although the cars are rather messed up with some of them seemingly breaking down at times they do sound rather good!”

I love the sound they make when they exit pit stops
JSemple3
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by Ted_Lee:
“I love the sound they make when they exit pit stops ”

When Bottas crashed into the wall and his tyre came off, I loved how it went high pitched to almost nothing in a split second
bhoy07
16-03-2014
Riccardo disqualified for consistently exceeding the fuel flow regulations, so Magnussen 2nd, Button 3rd.
Batch
16-03-2014
RE : Ferrari; During the race Sky commentary said both cars were managing some kind of issue meaning they were down on power. Guess we'll see how true that turns out to be in the coming weeks.
Batch
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“Riccardo disqualified for consistently exceeding the fuel flow regulations, so Magnussen 2nd, Button 3rd.”

Ooops.

Quote:
“A team statement said: “Following the decision of the FIA that Infiniti Red Bull Racing is in breach of Article 3.2 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Article 5.1.4 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations with Car 3, the Team has notified the FIA of its intention to appeal with immediate effect.

“Inconsistencies with the FIA fuel flow meter have been prevalent all weekend up and down the pit lane. The Team and Renault are confident the fuel supplied to the engine is in full compliance with the regulations.””

bhoy07
16-03-2014
Red Bull claiming the FIA fuel flow meter is wrong and will appeal.
JSemple3
16-03-2014
Wasn't Rosberg getting investigated too?
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