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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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dansus
14-05-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Yoko? ”

Oh no, worse than her.





:whistle:
Si_Crewe
14-05-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“Only person that can beat Hamilton now is Hamilton, he can be fragile at times.”

I wonder if that's still the case?

I do agree with you about his "happy place" being a bit fragile but bear in mind that he had one year in F1 where he lost the championship by a single point and then, after winning it the following year, he's had, basically, 6 years of dragging a half-arsed car around with the ever-dwindling hope of simply being able to fight for the lead of a race, much less win another WDC.

This year he probably knows the WDC is easily within his grasp and all he has to do to win it is beat his team-mate.
If I was a vaguely famous pop-singer, I'd probably think twice about threatening to dump my F1 driver boyfriend this year cos he might just decide he's got other priorities.
Tadpole
14-05-2014
Have built some twitter lists, fair bit of coverage of the Barcelona testing

F1 teams
F1 drivers

And no, I'm not on commission for hits

Some drivers tweet in multiple languages, esp Gutierrez, Rosberg, Alonso.
Woodentop
14-05-2014
Well there you go. All the seasons ills sorted; a megaphone exhaust!!
dansus
14-05-2014
Originally Posted by Tadpole:
“Have built some twitter lists, fair bit of coverage of the Barcelona testing

F1 teams
F1 drivers
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I dont follow any of the official teams or drivers, basically because they are dull.

Ones to look out for are the Journalists, broadcasters, mechanics, FOM employees ect.

https://twitter.com/dansus/lists/motorsports2
dearmrman
15-05-2014
Does anyone think F1 will ever get interesting again? or will it continue that one team will just dominate a season, until the next team comes along to dominate a season.
Assa2
15-05-2014
Looks like the trumpet exhaust failed, then. Not surprised. Unless the current exhaust muffles the noise meaning there's surplus energy to release they were never going to be able to make the exhausts 'louder' as such. The best they could hope to do is focus the noise in some way, either directionally or in terms of the frequency. Daft idea anyway. If the racing is good enough no-one will complain about the noise level after a while. Easiest way to make F1 loud again - extra cars please!
Assa2
15-05-2014
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“Does anyone think F1 will ever get interesting again? or will it continue that one team will just dominate a season, until the next team comes along to dominate a season.”

It's really only been 2 out of the last 4 seasons that have been that bad. Vettel had to fight pretty hard for the other 2 DCs. This season does look incredibly one-sided but I'm pretty confident it won't last beyond this season.
Si_Crewe
15-05-2014
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“Looks like the trumpet exhaust failed, then. Not surprised. Unless the current exhaust muffles the noise meaning there's surplus energy to release they were never going to be able to make the exhausts 'louder' as such. The best they could hope to do is focus the noise in some way, either directionally or in terms of the frequency. Daft idea anyway. If the racing is good enough no-one will complain about the noise level after a while. Easiest way to make F1 loud again - extra cars please!”

To be fair, I suppose I can see how a megaphone exhaust might've had a benefit, as you say, by reflecting sound waves and, hopefully, manipulating them into a sharper noise.

TBH, though, it seems like the sort of thing that should have been developed on a test-engine in a laboratory somewhere and only tested once it was certain to have some beneficial effect.

Course, I suppose that there might have have been some kind of reverse-psychology at work from merc' here, whereby they were really demonstrating just how farcical the whole idea is.
jmclaugh
15-05-2014
I fail to see how you get a 1.6 litre engine to sound loud in the F1 sense.
Woodentop
15-05-2014
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“Does anyone think F1 will ever get interesting again? or will it continue that one team will just dominate a season, until the next team comes along to dominate a season.”

No, not while they meddle with engines and regulations to allow Mercedes to demonstrate their R&D being the benchmark in the auto industry.
dansus
15-05-2014
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“I fail to see how you get a 1.6 litre engine to sound loud in the F1 sense.”

Apparently the old 1.5L turbo engines made a right old racket.
Si_Crewe
15-05-2014
Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“No, not while they meddle with engines and regulations to allow Mercedes to demonstrate their R&D being the benchmark in the auto industry.”

Yeah, what a pain it is to have engine regulations which make the sport relevant to the only three mainstream manufacturers currently prepared to supply engines to the sport.

Obviously, it'd be far better to keep on kissing Ferrari's arse instead.
I'm sure Ferrari would love it if they were the only team with a factory engine and all the other teams had to scrape around for customer engines from companies like Cosworth and Ilmor.
Assa2
16-05-2014
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“I fail to see how you get a 1.6 litre engine to sound loud in the F1 sense.”

Originally Posted by dansus:
“Apparently the old 1.5L turbo engines made a right old racket.”

Just a bit, but then the technology back in the 80's was very different. Engines at their peak were producing nearly double the power they are today (qualifying engines at least) and you had more cars on track (30+ in qualifying and 26 in the race). I used to live in Sevenoaks in the early 80's and on a good day you could here the F1 cars at Brands Hatch.
ACU
16-05-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“To be fair, I suppose I can see how a megaphone exhaust might've had a benefit, as you say, by reflecting sound waves and, hopefully, manipulating them into a sharper noise.

TBH, though, it seems like the sort of thing that should have been developed on a test-engine in a laboratory somewhere and only tested once it was certain to have some beneficial effect.

Course, I suppose that there might have have been some kind of reverse-psychology at work from merc' here, whereby they were really demonstrating just how farcical the whole idea is.”

BIB - It was in Mercs best interest to shut down any way of increasing the sound. They dont want any regulation/rule changes part way through this season. As any changes might swing the advantage back to their competitors. So no surprise they were the only team to try this idea, and then rubbish it straight away. It keeps the status quo, which is what they want.
soapfan_1973
16-05-2014
Anyone else who can't wait to see how Suzie does in FP1 at Hockenheim and Silverstone? It would be interesting if she managed to set a time faster than the two regular drivers.

I just wonder if she does do well then it could open the doors for more female racers to join up. PErsonally I would like to see someone like Danica Patrick
ACU
16-05-2014
Originally Posted by soapfan_1973:
“Anyone else who can't wait to see how Suzie does in FP1 at Hockenheim and Silverstone? It would be interesting if she managed to set a time faster than the two regular drivers.

I just wonder if she does do well then it could open the doors for more female racers to join up. PErsonally I would like to see someone like Danica Patrick”

I dont think Susie is all that to be honest. She got where she has by being married to Toto. I dont think she will beat the regular drivers, if anything it will show how much slower she is. Her driving in FP1, is more of a PR stunt than anything else.

Danica has been asked about racing in F1, and said she wouldnt. To be honest she is making tons of money from US sponsors, that moving to F1 isnt in her interests.
gomezz
16-05-2014
Originally Posted by ACU:
“I dont think Susie is all that to be honest.”

My view is that she is not really a good advert for women to break through to the highest level and is actually doing them a disservice.
dansus
17-05-2014
Originally Posted by soapfan_1973:
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I just wonder if she does do well then it could open the doors for more female racers to join up. Personally I would like to see someone like.......”

...Simone de Silvestro?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113666
Si_Crewe
17-05-2014
Originally Posted by ACU:
“I dont think Susie is all that to be honest. She got where she has by being married to Toto.”

Surely that can't be the case?

I mean, she managed to finish, erm, 16th, 18th, 20th etc in the same DTM series that Paul di Resta won and look how well he did in F1.
DanielF
17-05-2014
I'm a fan of women racers, but no fan of Danica. She's just a marketing exercise and her results in NASCAR and IndyCar are barely better than Susie's in DTM! One fluke win not withstanding.

Very excited about Simona though - I think with the right application she could do a good job.

I'll always think Kirsten Kolby was ahead of her time though - now SHE'D have been a good one, but sadly faded info obscurity.
Si_Crewe
17-05-2014
Originally Posted by DanielF:
“I'll always think Kirsten Kolby was ahead of her time though - now SHE'D have been a good one, but sadly faded info obscurity.”

It's a shame that it still seems like being easy on the eye is necessary for a woman to succeed in motorsport.
I guess the sponsors often like the idea of having a hot chick to parade around at promotional events, even if they're not necessarily fastest in the car.
Just as well Alonso, Kubica or even good ol' Lurch don't have that issue to worry about.

While we're at it, I suppose Sabine Schmitz should get a mention here, too.
Kind of a shame that she's had to find more esoteric ways to make a living out of her obvious talent, rather than going racing.
Woodentop
17-05-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Yeah, what a pain it is to have engine regulations which make the sport relevant to the only three mainstream manufacturers currently prepared to supply engines to the sport.

Obviously, it'd be far better to keep on kissing Ferrari's arse instead.
I'm sure Ferrari would love it if they were the only team with a factory engine and all the other teams had to scrape around for customer engines from companies like Cosworth and Ilmor.”

This isn't DTM where Mercedes can show whoever may be interested, all their development skill for saloon cars. This is F1 and shouldn't be so concerned with appeasing the green lobby at the detriment of the main purpose of its interest. The manufacturers should not be hand tied and if it continues to become more about a procession with screen shots of economy and energy collection then the continued decline in audience will hasten.
Si_Crewe
17-05-2014
Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“This isn't DTM where Mercedes can show whoever may be interested, all their development skill for saloon cars. This is F1 and shouldn't be so concerned with appeasing the green lobby at the detriment of the main purpose of its interest. The manufacturers should not be hand tied and if it continues to become more about a procession with screen shots of economy and energy collection then the continued decline in audience will hasten.”

Trouble is, people are far more aware these days.

In the old days, the saying "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" probably held a lot of water.
It didn't really matter if you were racing with 5 litre overhead cam V12s engines and selling cars fitted with 20 year old 1.4l pushrod engines. The halo effect, alone, was enough to convince people to buy.

These days, companies are spending millions developing new technology for the road every year so it seems a little optimistic to expect them to also spend even more money developing totally irrelevant technology to compete in motorsport which can't be applied to their road cars, especially when they know customers are likely to make their buying decision on the basis of the technology that is present in their road cars rather than simply cos Vettel or Hamilton won in a car with a particular badge on the nose.

Let's face it, it's not the engines that are preventing F1 cars from racing with each other closely. It's the aero'.
Seems like these engines are just a convenient scapegoat for a problem that's existed in F1 for the best part of 30-odd years, at least.
alanwarwic
17-05-2014
Manufacturers are moving towards hybrids so that is where the sponsorship treasure lies.
They ain't green.
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