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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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habby
24-05-2014
Its annoying that a race like this isnt on proper tv!!!

No wonder I didnt see the qualifying listed in the tv guide today. Now I'll have to find a streaming site to watch it!!
d'@ve
24-05-2014
Originally Posted by tasker:
“Maybe the officials are being smart and diffusing an argument before it takes over the race and to stop all the moaning Hamilton fan's who seem to think the whole world is out to get the moaning little sod.
Best of all is (and i can never understand this about F1 qualifying) it is over a few feet of tarmac before 60 odd laps.
The race is not won on Saturday afternoon it is won on Sunday, until they change the F1 rules and like touring cars they give a point for qualifying, why cry over spilt milk like Kevin Hamilton is.
He is fast becoming a contender for the Woods lip in sport.”

You've missed the point. I (and many others) couldn't care two hoots about who is involved in this 'row', only in the suspicious circumstances in which it took place. Cheating makes me angry, in any sport - and What Rosberg appears to have done is take advantage of 5 important things:

1) He was then in provisional pole position, by a whisker
2) The pole sitter won at monaco 9 times out of the last 10 F1 races there.
3) He knew that in sector 1 of his final run, he'd made a mistake and that Hamilton was (or would be) faster (the sector 1 timings confirm this).
4) On a dry track, the final run is usually faster then the first run for the top drivers (more rubber laid down).
5) Hamilton was behind him.

So making a second and even bigger "mistake" in a place where his car was in no danger of damage but would cause yellow flags if he placed it "correctly" would probably get him not only pole position but give him a 90% chance of winning the race. He's also been going on and on in every interview in recent days about how important it was for him to break Hamilton's winning streak. Well he seems to have found a way to make that likely... clever boy but hmmm.... and as the BBC website says:

"The incident brought back memories of the 2006 Monaco race, when Michael Schumacher deliberately parked his car at Rascasse to prevent Alonso from beating him to pole."
maninthequeue
24-05-2014
Sometimes I really can't believe what I'm reading above by most of the posters. (Unless it is a faction of the UKIP mob whom there seems to be a disproportionate amount on these boards at the moment .... especially that Hamilton = Woods comment).

Of course Rosberg knew where Hamilton was. Which is precisely why he reversed back down the escape road to the edge of the track and thereby force a yellow - and compromise the laps of everyone on track behind him, including most obviously Hamilton with the yellow flags at the point Hamilton was about to start his faster sector of the track and claim a likely pole on the track.

To then celebrate by punching the air when getting out of the car was pretty odious dropping him right down in my estimation to Schumacher-esque levels (to him I wish the speediest and fullest recovery possible). It's clear he realizes Hamilton is better than him in a fair/even fight so he is happy to take a win in an unfair one.

And yet on here people are moaning about Hamilton for being hacked off with a driver pretending with the wobbly steering actions that he was driving on black ice. Back in the 1980s if a top driver had pulled that stunt on another top driver it would have resulted in physical contact via a fist or headbutt as a retaliation...

As anyone who follows F1 over the years know, of all the Grand Prix's the qualifying on Saturday at Monaco is the most important of the season due to the procession that usually follows on the Sunday.

Only once in the past 10 years has the Monaco GP no been won by the poll sitter. (2008 when Massa (Ferrari) grabbed the poll, only for Hamilton (McLaren) to win the race).

So assuming FIA do nothing more than reprimand Rosberg (which is what I fully expect the outcome to be), then the German really should be celebrating the chequered flag tomorrow which will be good from the soap opera element, and the rest of the season, but very bad for the sport morally.
Fudd
24-05-2014
Whatever happens I think the bad blood between Hamilton and Rosberg existed between Monaco and this is just an escalation. I can't see Rosberg being impressed with the 'hunger' comment Hamilton made, for example, and he's already hurting by Hamilton's comments over Rosberg having the faster car in the last few races yet losing. Hamilton, whether deliberately or not, has been winding Rosberg up in the past few weeks and today was Rosberg finally cracking. Personally, I think Hamilton's trying to manoeuvre himself to the position of number one with the team (so Rosberg has to help him instead of race him), therefore he's presenting himself as the best driver at every opportunity which will obviously annoy Rosberg.

Locking a tyre and going off can happen and does happen; I'm not sure what can be done about that. But backing up closer to the track was unnecessary. There's no reason why Rosberg couldn't have ditched the car and let it be recovered or ask to be told when all other cars on a fast lap had passed and then reversed. I would argue that he didn't deliberately slide off the track but he took advantage of the situation when it happened.

Even if I'm wrong, this is getting childish now. The Vettel and Webber relationship is looking positively mature in comparison.
Fudd
24-05-2014
Stewards Decision: Ericsson will start from the pit lane after the collision with Massa during qualifying.
tasker
24-05-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“You've missed the point. I (and many others) couldn't care two hoots about who is involved in this 'row', only in the suspicious circumstances in which it took place. Cheating makes me angry, in any sport - and What Rosberg appears to have done is take advantage of 5 important things:

1) He was then in provisional pole position, by a whisker
2) The pole sitter won at monaco 9 times out of the last 10 F1 races there.
3) He knew that in sector 1 of his final run, he'd made a mistake and that Hamilton was (or would be) faster (the sector 1 timings confirm this).
4) On a dry track, the final run is usually faster then the first run for the top drivers (more rubber laid down).
5) Hamilton was behind him.

So making a second and even bigger "mistake" in a place where his car was in no danger of damage but would cause yellow flags if he placed it "correctly" would probably get him not only pole position but give him a 90% chance of winning the race. He's also been going on and on in every interview in recent days about how important it was for him to break Hamilton's winning streak. Well he seems to have found a way to make that likely... clever boy but hmmm.... and as the BBC website says:

"The incident brought back memories of the 2006 Monaco race, when Michael Schumacher deliberately parked his car at Rascasse to prevent Alonso from beating him to pole."”

I am against cheating in anyway shape or form and if Rosberg is indeed proven to have done so he should be punished, PROVED to be not found guilty and hanged as you seem to have done already.
And as for not being bothered about who is "involved" in this row, it is obvious who you are rooting for where as i prefer to see it from a neutral side not want to vilify Rosberg first.
And as for your point
3) He knew that in sector 1 of his final run, he'd made a mistake and that Hamilton was (or would be) faster (the sector 1 timings confirm this).
How exactly did he know that? can he tell the future?
Nobody knows anything until they have passed the line, it could well have been that Hamilton finished the lap and still didn't beat him to pole, but then you would have had to find another excuse for him not being 2 feet in front on the start.
JSemple3
24-05-2014
No action against Rosberg. He stays on pole (apparently)
allthingsuk
24-05-2014
Originally Posted by JSemple3:
“No action against Rosberg. He stays on pole (apparently)”

Expect big fireworks tomorrow at Turn 1.
Fudd
24-05-2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27558177

Did he not reverse back up the road then?
Stunty
24-05-2014
What I cannot fathom about today's outrage is that for years in F1 the most ruthless drivers, whether they beat their rivals fair or squre or not, have all been hailed as heroes and masters of the sport ........ from Senna to Schumacher and to Vettel.

All of them would do what it took to win at any cost, and we have seen many similar scenarios with their various spats with Prost, Hill and Webber. Schumacher wasn't bothered how many other drivers he scuppered so long as it benefitted his his own ends.

As for Rosberg how can anybody prove whether or not it was deliberate. It was merely qualifying and no points are awarded for pole position .......heaven help him if he ran poor little Lewis off the track tomorrow!!!

All the sulky posturing, negative body language, and saying it was 'alright' when it quite obviously was not alright with Hamilton, made him just look like a petulant, whinging so and so.


One reason that I much prefer Jenson Button's openness and straight talking ........ mind you he has such a lovely personality he gets on with everybody, represents the sport wonderfully, and would summise all the other drivers respect his integrity ....... and yes he's managed to be World Champion and be a thoroughly decent chap. Good guys do win.
dansus
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27558177

Did he not reverse back up the road then?”

They can reverse on the track, just not in the pits.
Devon Miles
25-05-2014
Personally I am having a lot of trouble calling the Hamilton / Rosberg incident either way. I can't see how anyone can dismiss it as being obvious in either scenario.

On the one hand the sawing of the steering wheel in that lap footage compared with the footage from the lap before looks very odd.

On the other hand the thought process required to engineer the situation that concerned seems almost impossibly convoluted


eta: Just seen Jonny Herbert saying it looked dodgy and Hamilton making it obvious that he isn't convinced with Rosberg's innocence and you have to think that looking at the telemetry and footage Hamilton would best placed out of anyone to ascertain whether it was genuine or contrived..
JSemple3
25-05-2014
Big crash...............but not involving rosberg/hamilton. Safety car out already
indiana44
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Devon Miles:
“Personally I am having a lot of trouble calling the Hamilton / Rosberg incident either way. I can't see how anyone can dismiss it as being obvious in either scenario.

On the one hand the sawing of the steering wheel in that lap footage compared with the footage from the lap before looks very odd.

On the other hand the thought process required to engineer the situation that concerned seems almost impossibly convoluted


eta: Just seen Jonny Herbert saying it looked dodgy and Hamilton making it obvious that he isn't convinced with Rosberg's innocence and you have to think that looking at the telemetry and footage Hamilton would best placed out of anyone to ascertain whether it was genuine or contrived..”

On balance, I tend to think it was deliberate.

Yes, convoluted, but Rosberg is a very bright on the ball guy.

If he has done it deliberately and well enough, that with all the evidence that they will have available, the stewards have not been convinced, then it is very 'impressive' ( some may disagree with that word ! ).
Sam Seed
25-05-2014
get rid of monaco. the most boring race of the season
BillyBatty
25-05-2014
There's actually been a few overtaking moves in this race.
indiana44
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Sam Seed:
“get rid of monaco. the most boring race of the season”

It can be, but it is one race and it is unique. Vive la difference !
allthingsuk
25-05-2014
A very strange race from Lewis Hamilton. Very odd.

He's been really flustered while Nico had remained very cool under pressure. Got grit in his eye - I've never heard that before.

Strongly disliked his moaning over team radio as well.

And Marussia have points
Sam Seed
25-05-2014
Tension lol
Xavier Quebeck
25-05-2014
How petulant is Hamilton? Doesn't even have the decency to offer a handshake to his teammate. He really needs to grow up.
allthingsuk
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Xavier Quebeck:
“How petulant is Hamilton? Doesn't even have the decency to offer a handshake to his teammate. He really needs to grow up.”

I'm starting to agree. I've seen a side to Lewis I haven't seen this season, and I don't like it at all. As I said yesterday, a very pissy, woe-is-me attitude. I thought he'd grown up but he hasn't changed. He still has a lot to learn about dealing with setbacks.
Fudd
25-05-2014
I feel sorry for the poor interviewer with this one!

Lewis is the incredible sulk. He fiddled it in Spain so he won yet got into a strop when something funny happened against him. There's a reason why he has a rough history with his teammates.
mounty
25-05-2014
hamiltons usual petulant behaviour
Soul_Assassin
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I feel sorry for the poor interviewer with this one!

Lewis is the incredible sulk. He fiddled it in Spain so he won yet got into a strop when something funny happened against him. There's a reason why he has a rough history with his teammates.”

Speaking of which, who the frig IS this interviewer??

Edit: Ah, the bloke from Star Trek...makes sense.
allthingsuk
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I feel sorry for the poor interviewer with this one!

Lewis is the incredible sulk. He fiddled it in Spain so he won yet got into a strop when something funny happened against him. There's a reason why he has a rough history with his teammates.”

Making me question whether he has the mental toughness to last the distance when he behaves like a child when things don't go his way once, because he's such on a knife edge.

Lewis will be properly miffed if Nico dominates him in Canada.
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